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Payment Dispute with DedicatServer.RO
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ahahahahahhahahahahha sorry its sooo funny xD
It's long time since I saw such horrible handling of situation.
If only provider would thought about instantly refunding jsg making jsg point/post obsolete... nah... lets make it even more popular by posting over and over, let make Google index this and let all people will know that we are doxxing people
hahahahahahahaha
you COULDN'T do it worse.
Its more like "how to fuck up own business in 4 single steps".
Hey @DP if you have doxhost . (tld) in your pool of available domains, I may know a buyer
My brother is still alive, but I smell drama coming renewal time.
the drama bar has been set, no way '23 gonna exceed this morsel
I don't think many "switched to jsg's side". Rather, recognized both were terrible options.
I don't think jsg has accepted that he authorized these PayPal payments and still thinks the payments were taken out by the provider.
In the email screenshot from jsg, was there a price increase that might have led to the scheduled payment to be insufficient to cover the new invoice and that's why it was suspended? Translation?
Also, his flakey mail server appears to have missed the invoice on 3/15. And no payment made as a result?
Firstly, I don't believe that @jsg had any bad intentions by creating this thread. From what I can understand about him as a person, he is likely on the spectrum, and he understands things in a literal sense, as opposed to being able to deduce that shit happens sometimes, and that you can't give it too much thought.
Secondly, @dedicatserver_ro reacted in the same way almost any other human would do: passionately.
Much like @jsg, he wasn't able to deduce from this thread that @jsg didn't have any bad intentions, and that he simply might not be able to see things the same way.
Obviously, that doesn't mean that @dedicatserver_ro was right for posting what I can understand to be obviously fraudulent PII, and whilst technically a bad thing -- it is only bad if you look at it from a literal point of view, but if you choose to look at it from a different point of view, you will be able to tell why it was done.
It was done to paint @jsg in a bad light, because most honest netizens will use their own information, but the paranoid ones might not, and that can make them look like they are up to no good.
At least two other providers have posted user information in their threads, and like in those cases, it was obviously fake, and it doesn't mean that they would actually post anyone's real information.
Hosters who have been long enough in the business are able to tell whether a data set is genuine or not, and I have no issue believing this.
In any case, I do believe that @dedicatserver_ro should not have been banned.
Both @jsg and @dedicatserver_ro should have been privately warned, and settled their matters privately, and this thread should have been deleted.
Not to save their reputation, but to simply be gone because it serves no other purpose other than to make fun of @jsg and hurt @dedicatserver_ro's business, which might have taken decades to build.
Some things in life aren't worth it, and this is one of them.
It neither proves that @jsg is a dimwit, nor does it prove that @dedicatserver_ro is a fraudster, but it does however mean that it doesn't help anyone in the long run.
I don’t believe that the thread should be deleted. Provider was a little immature especially with how they revealed private data so it serves as a warning to future users.
We all have certain powers, whether it be in real life or online, and how we wield our sword is how our character will be determined.
Using your power to deprive another human being from having access to a community and offering their services is weak if they aren't actually a pest or a fraudster.
@dedicatserver_ro is neither of those things.
He was clearly hot-headed, and didn't think ahead, but he does not deserve to have his reputation ruined over it.
Put simply, if a community is moderated by level-headed adults, it will acknowledge that we all fuck up sometimes, and that we need to be shown mercy when we do.
After all, we're only humans at the end of the day...
While I agree with most of what you said, my comment was specifically about thread deletion and not about provider banning etc
I leave that to the forum moderators to choose.
Revealing private information on a public forum when claiming to not even being part of the original organization, yeah I would like to know that before I send my data their way. That’s all.
The provider deserved to get banned. They put all their cards on the table and without any regard to the game, exposed client details against privacy wishes.
They where winning the fight and totally shot themselves in the foot.
This has been a fun story and lurk all day.
I know what you mean, but public incidents don’t mean all that much, especially because they can be taken out of context, and often are.
Personally, I would rather want to know whether or not a provider will provide any type of information without a valid local subpoena.
But that one is too much to ask for and you should consider that your information can likely be sent without a subpoena, or even sold, hacked, etc…
Basically, you should always exercise caution and try not to use the following:
Other than that, you should be fine, even with a leak.. but using obviously fake information will get you in trouble with most providers.
If you really want to use fake information use a seemingly real data set from something like FakeNameGenerator.com and pay with crypto currency.
Lol, i guess the provider thought he was losing the fight to JSG wall of text and thought he needed a bomb to blow JSG out of the water, he probably didn't know he was winning the fight prior to doxing JSG.
I certainly didn't expect this thread to turn into a dck measuring contest for who could be the bigger dck lol
(obviously @dedicatserver_ro ended up being in the wrong too, so.... yeah.)
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah bless this forum
was this drama a pre-planned event for 2023? smells fishy.
Yes, it was a preplanned event brought to you by your local sushi association (maybe that's why it smells fishy?)
I feel it also that way. @jsg was a major dick in this case.
Falsely accusated and slandered too passionate host owner didn't handle this well, but even this famous doxing (unless I missed some deleted post) was nothing but inactive domain and presumably fake entered post office number. And my own post office number is SI-1000. Really big deal...
Yes, host made a mistake, but it's not like jsg is innocent here.
He said that he don't run daily operations anymore, he have employers for that, but he is part of the organisation - he's company owner.
This is not the case. The details released were accurate and not false, they were PII details. Please stop spreading misinformation.
I am NOT spreading misinformation. What about "unless I missed some deleted post" isn't clear to you?
They were edited posts and not deleted posts which is different. In the event I misunderstood you, my apologies.
Just because there's no web page, doesn't mean it's an inactive domain. FWIW the email domain I use most of the time just has a "nothing here" stub web page, and for a long time didn't even have that. I have a couple of domains like this that I only use for email with companies I don't yet trust.
The provider got banned; the client already asked for refund with Paypal; the drama hit the brakes; why is this thread not closed?
Well, deleted, edited... same effect (from my point of view).
I responded regarding what I saw, but also acknowledged that there could be more, but I haven't seen it because of deletion (or edition). In case there was more than that, my comment above can be disregarded.
@ralf inactive in term of hosting anything (including placeholder). Inactive in term of non-working mail (as it was confirmed). etc
But I agree with you about everything else. Even if domain isn't used currently it can be used anytime in the future. This should not be posted. In all eagerness to defend his business from defamation host made unnecessary mistake here.
I can confirm that the domain can, and did receive my emails.
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Of course it did. It's not some magic to make it active again. Especially if one have argument to win ;-)
Anyway, all this situation sucks. Host made a mistake and paid for this. But accusing them fraud to cover up for own mistake isn't any better...
Ok, here we go. There were 2 emails released. both worked when I tried them, but yes it could have been activated at anytime, I can not confirm that.
I am curious whether putting the country in the thread title is normal practice or only refers to Romanian hosts? I am not saying it is not deserved, just curious if this is just normal discrimination nobody pays attention to because, meh, Romania, that shithole country, or goes beyond that?
I mean, I haven't seen GVH USA payment dispute titles, VolumeDrive USA or Burst.net USA, nor similar IN SPITE of some of the named brands having operations in other countries and subsidiaries so a clarification might have been needed.
That's a fair point. I think it's there because his name here ends with _RO? Isn't that how he advertised his business? If not, then I will remove the country name as it is not fair to condemn a nation in the title because of 1 provider.