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Apple's lot of parts are made in Taiwan
Lot of Novartis products are made in India
General Electric is one of the leaders of outsourcing (India, mainly)
Would you buy products from those companies? Would you trust them as manufactures?
How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?
True but you bastards keep being reasonably polite and not getting all flamey about things.
Shocking! Hot damn
And this is how OP is feeling now about the derailing of his thread...
This thread has become incredibly entertaining to read. @impossiblystupid especially, who is so aptly named, who has provided the most hilarious and incoherent responses of all.
However it seems we are now going round and round in circles and regardless of whether or not you agree with outsourcing, perhaps we should allow the thread to return to the thread back to the OP and allow people who are interested to ask questions and let the OP and others provide actual and constructive responses.
I vote @randvegeta for moderator!
Yep. And people wants support from guys who get's $4k, but they can pay only peanuts for a services. They still expect good and quick service
Cheap service + good hardware = no support, low quality support, student level support, etc. lol
Doesn't matter. They'll never gonna open your CV/Resume. It's not a real job offer!
And how did you get into this conclusion?
On this point, let me say that at one point I was considering doing contract work for IBM, and I would have switched all my VPSes to SoftLayer had that happened. I always try to improve the businesses I work with by looking at their income stream and feeding it whenever possible.
I simply noted that I have no information on what your company does. All I said was based on very common practices in the industry. I'd love for you to supply scientific evidence that shows your HR department actually knows how to attract top talent.
Oh, rubbish. The only protected class seems to be executives and management. Everyone else is in this poorly designed labor market to fend for themselves.
Again, more rubbish. Every big job site on the web has the same generic ads for the same generic jobs. Most of them say nothing about the actual work that's being done, and few bother to list any compensation at all, never mind an attractive one (the most popular words being "competitive" and "market rate").
The reality is that wages have been stagnant for a long time in the US. Companies like Apple and Google have even colluded to suppress wages! To claim there is no evidence is beyond the pale. Like I said, I'd love for you to show how your company is doing things different.
But it's seemingly not illegal to post an ad that is completely unattractive to a local worker (as EH has done here) or, much worse, specifically written to the résumé of a pre-selected cheap foreign worker.
It is to laugh. Do tell us all how soon that is for an H1B visa.
Then talk to the people in your company who aren't giving you the choice, because I don't think they're doing their jobs very well.
Your claim was that there was a good supply of jobs that seek immigrants. I said I am looking, but I haven't seen any. The only thing that would support your point would be you pointing to a site that is actually offering the good jobs you claim are out there for world-class talent.
EH is in the UK, not Belize. My argument seems pretty straightforward. Think about it for a bit before you reply; you might find it's not so disagreeable.
That's not the industry being discussed here. I might do that as a side gig while I'm in a country, but it would take better work to get me there. If you can't point to tons of job offers for experts in their field, you have no argument.
They're the responsibility of their local economy. We do them no favors when we export our broken economic practices to them. As I said, I'm all for improving conditions for everyone, but you have to put on your own oxygen mask before you try to help your fellow passengers.
Off topic: Am I the only one who has grown tired of seeing many layers of nested quotes in responses? This thread is but one example.
Oh LET. First we complain about the quote plugin messing nested quotes. Sysadmin fixed it. Now we're again complaining about the quote plugin. This time because it works as it should.
As nekki said, LET never fails to amuse me.
The argument there would be not that HR is being exploitative but if its chea> @sdglhm said:
What? Infinitely nesting quotes isn't a "fix." It's just as broken as quotes not nesting. It should really only be nesting up to a depth of 2. MAYBE 3 at the maximum. Infinitely nesting quotes just makes it ridiculously hard to follow the conversation sometimes.
I agree that it isn't a fix. But that would need to rewrite some major changes to the quote plugin.
Those workers are not in a position of trust as a sysadmin is. Should Edward Snowden's old job be outsourced to some guy the NSA has never met on the 'net in Russia?
The whole point is that this thread has been great for Evolution Host. It has gotten plenty of exposure at the top of LET at this point, so by you continuously bumping it you're only helping. My post had nothing to do with whether or not Evolution Host could be "trusted". If you are obviously not the market they are advertising to, then ignore it and move on. I assume your system administration job pays good for you.
It's a social problem more than a technical one. Netiquette should still be for the respondent to trim quotes as much as possible. I certainly have tried, but it still is a matter of individual taste. If anyone wants to cut it down to 3 levels or less, it is trivial to do with a browser plugin like Stylish. Just add a rule with CSS like:
Isn't in incredible that when a company posts a server offer that isn't the absolute cheapest possible, they are pounced on, because it is completely unaffordable.. Then, when someone posts a job offer, everyone complains it's too low for their expectations??
Welcome to LET!
Same people or different people? I've never complained about prices, and even said it would be preferable to me if RamNode were to increase their prices due to IPv4 costs (compared to just dropping their 128MB offerings).
Damn! 2 days, and the only thing I recognize about this topic is the title. Some serious derailing skills at work right here!
A job offer thread turned out pretty much like any other sad..
This is (greater than junior) manager-level pay in any regular commerce industry, in an Indian Metro city.
IT is a special case here. There's crazy pay-distribution depending on the source talent pool the employer is looking at.
VC-funded startups in Bangalore have been known to pay USD $100,000/yr to top-tier engineering school talent (IITs), based on how crazy their timelines are for burning all that cash, (ostensibly to achieve their hockey stick growth numbers).
source: I have drinking buddies in HR everywhere.
Weird...I've never found HR people to be worth hanging out with.
That's what happens when a bunch of friends with Engineering degrees go on to do an MBA and wind up in an HR role.
The why of it goes above my head.
India is a land of mystery.
The why of it goes above my head.
India is a land of mystery.
HR is an industry all of it's own in India, you need to be super smart and savvy to negotiate it.
The stories that I hear daily regarding recruitment and HR border on the insane.
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It varies. London is easily double other parts of the UK so most of the best candidates go there and most of the best employers are based there. I had an offer of £60k for a sysadmin job just outside London a couple of years ago.
In the north, even in Manchester, salaries are much lower because living costs are much lower. It's hard to comprehend the difference between London and elsewhere. I know someone who does a sysadmin job in Manchester and gets paid about £20-30k (from memory).
Still, £15k (as per the OP's thread) is just too low for a useful candidate in the UK.