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  • @jarland said:
    Why is that sad, exactly? Does it bother you for people to know that you have three accounts? If so, I would consider you to be someone interested in deceiving LET members, which is precisely why I started linking accounts: To make it hard for people to do that. Because they were doing it in droves. Of course, if they're not your accounts, we can talk about it. That's why I started noting "IP match" instead of "other account."

    No it doesn't bother me that I am matched to other accounts because it is simply not true. Don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that when I decide to put my $0.02 in a conversation I automatically have other accounts...? I think you need to take a look at your administrator team and see who really is the problem.

  • Why does anyone even care?

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:
    Why is that sad, exactly? Does it bother you for people to know that you have three accounts? If so, I would consider you to be someone interested in deceiving LET members, which is precisely why I started linking accounts: To make it hard for people to do that. Because they were doing it in droves. Of course, if they're not your accounts, we can talk about it. That's why I started noting "IP match" instead of "other account."

    No it doesn't bother me that I am matched to other accounts because it is simply not true. Don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that when I decide to put my $0.02 in a conversation I automatically have other accounts...? I think you need to take a look at your administrator team and see who really is the problem.

    I can't imagine anyone would actually have access to view the info and not go "this person caught my eye, don't know who they are, wonder if they have been around longer under a different account."

    Of course we're more likely to notice the IP match on members that catch our attention. We're not robots.

  • @jarland said:

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:
    Why is that sad, exactly? Does it bother you for people to know that you have three accounts? If so, I would consider you to be someone interested in deceiving LET members, which is precisely why I started linking accounts: To make it hard for people to do that. Because they were doing it in droves. Of course, if they're not your accounts, we can talk about it. That's why I started noting "IP match" instead of "other account."

    No it doesn't bother me that I am matched to other accounts because it is simply not true. Don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that when I decide to put my $0.02 in a conversation I automatically have other accounts...? I think you need to take a look at your administrator team and see who really is the problem.

    I can't imagine anyone would actually have access to view the info and not go "this person caught my eye, don't know who they are, wonder if they have been around longer under a different account."

    Of course we're more likely to notice the IP match on members that catch our attention. We're not robots.

    I cannot fathom @Ishaq checking my account TWICE, and coming up with more "accounts". I only have one account, and this is it. Administrators should contact the people they have doubts about and ask them on a personal level before they ruin them forever.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:
    Why is that sad, exactly? Does it bother you for people to know that you have three accounts? If so, I would consider you to be someone interested in deceiving LET members, which is precisely why I started linking accounts: To make it hard for people to do that. Because they were doing it in droves. Of course, if they're not your accounts, we can talk about it. That's why I started noting "IP match" instead of "other account."

    No it doesn't bother me that I am matched to other accounts because it is simply not true. Don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that when I decide to put my $0.02 in a conversation I automatically have other accounts...? I think you need to take a look at your administrator team and see who really is the problem.

    I can't imagine anyone would actually have access to view the info and not go "this person caught my eye, don't know who they are, wonder if they have been around longer under a different account."

    Of course we're more likely to notice the IP match on members that catch our attention. We're not robots.

    I cannot fathom @Ishaq checking my account TWICE, and coming up with more "accounts". I only have one account, and this is it. Administrators should contact the people they have doubts about and ask them on a personal level before they ruin them forever.

    Wait, who ruined you? Is someone using the "IP match" comment to set off a course of actions that I'm unaware of?

  • JordanJordan Member
    edited August 2016

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:
    Why is that sad, exactly? Does it bother you for people to know that you have three accounts? If so, I would consider you to be someone interested in deceiving LET members, which is precisely why I started linking accounts: To make it hard for people to do that. Because they were doing it in droves. Of course, if they're not your accounts, we can talk about it. That's why I started noting "IP match" instead of "other account."

    No it doesn't bother me that I am matched to other accounts because it is simply not true. Don't you think it is a bit of a coincidence that when I decide to put my $0.02 in a conversation I automatically have other accounts...? I think you need to take a look at your administrator team and see who really is the problem.

    I can't imagine anyone would actually have access to view the info and not go "this person caught my eye, don't know who they are, wonder if they have been around longer under a different account."

    Of course we're more likely to notice the IP match on members that catch our attention. We're not robots.

    I cannot fathom @Ishaq checking my account TWICE, and coming up with more "accounts". I only have one account, and this is it. Administrators should contact the people they have doubts about and ask them on a personal level before they ruin them forever.

    Again, he said IP match this time, not that you have more multiple accounts.

    You're obviously sharing your IP with others if it's returning positive for clones. Are you using a VPN? If you are then I don't know how you can sit here and cry, because it's pretty obvious.

  • SpicyPepper said: before they ruin them forever

    What? Jesus dramatic much. Its a LowEndTalk account.

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  • @jarland said:

    Wait, who ruined you? Is someone using the "IP match" comment to set off a course of actions that I'm unaware of?

    Yes, now hosts are less inclined to trust me because of these actions. Yes, I use a VPN whenever I browse LET to keep myself safe. No, I don't see how this should be an issue. Also, I was once ratelimited by one of your administrators which has kept me unable to post for a while.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @SpicyPepper said:

    @jarland said:

    Wait, who ruined you? Is someone using the "IP match" comment to set off a course of actions that I'm unaware of?

    Yes, now hosts are less inclined to trust me because of these actions. Yes, I use a VPN whenever I browse LET to keep myself safe. No, I don't see how this should be an issue. Also, I was once ratelimited by one of your administrators which has kept me unable to post for a while.

    Wait, what hosts are doing this? I genuinely want to know. The reason for posting IP matches was to build a network of context. People were signing up to agree with themselves, shill for their own services, etc. I only wanted to make the environment inhospitable for that...and NOTHING else.

    With that said, I assume you don't sign up for hosts as Spicy Pepper anyway.

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  • LeeLee Veteran

    jarland said: People were signing up to agree with themselves

    Well nobody else would agree and I thought might as well get my likes increased too.

    Thanked by 2jar switsys
  • NekkiNekki Veteran
    edited August 2016

    @daily said:

    @vedran said:
    No one is going to mention the latest LEB post? Oh look, BudgetNode was mentioned again!

    They got 3 lines. Stop.

    I'm glad it's not just my posts you can't follow.

    @Vedran was clearly being sarcastic, you daft nerk.

    Thanked by 1vedran
  • @Nekki said:

    @daily said:

    @vedran said:
    No one is going to mention the latest LEB post? Oh look, BudgetNode was mentioned again!

    They got 3 lines. Stop.

    I'm glad it's not just my posts you can't follow.

    @Vedran was clearly being sarcastic, you daft nerk.

    You okay? I care about you.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    hawc said: A few things....

    I've put several hours of my time into those articles, and was not paid for them. I do this for the community, not the cash. It's really disappointing to see the way that some people have reacted to this. Also, I really don't care weather @Ishaq is a moderator here. I interviewed him as a provider, not a moderator.

    Your help and contribution is really appreciated. Hope that you continue to write more community roundups, etc.

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  • Well how about @MrGeneral do a few interviews and settle this dispute?

  • Domin43Domin43 Member
    edited August 2016

    Well thanks to this I am now aware of BudgetNode so you gave them free advertisements, in a way I understand your concern if admin gets first chance but same time it doesn't matter that much if someone wants to avoid doing business because they got first dibs then so be it.

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  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited August 2016

    Advertising is really secondary on here, if they are members always take a look through their comment history, that will give you an idea on whether you would want to deal with that type of person if you had an issue with the service.

    It's the most accurate and revealing sign.

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    daily said: You okay? I care about you.

    You're rapidly becoming my favourite LET'er.

    Thanked by 1daily
  • A few thoughts, fwiw.

    Why would you allow the author of the post to interview an Administrator here for the first review after the changes there?

    Practically speaking, it probably made sense to interview an administrator as a starting point, first being someone the author already knew. Asking questions requires a bit of research (which in turn takes time), so if the author is already familiar with the person and his company, he can ask more relevant questions.

    Part of the issue is that the administrator status wasn't mentioned in the article. New readers may not realise he is forum staff and regular readers might see it as being intentionally hidden for negative reasons, e.g. to advertise for its own affiliated companies/partners. Such articles should carry a disclaimer clarifying any relationship that the author or person being interviewed may have with the site.

    You could have done it a month later at least? And give priority to other providers that have been advertising here for a long time?

    That's another option, interviewing someone with no affiliation. Still, with six degrees of separation someone will still manage to draw links between the interviewee and the site. My preference is to see new up-and-coming providers as well as the providers that have advertised here for a long time, so the order doesn't matter as long the lineup is varied. Varied in terms of product type, country where they operate, etc. Different circumstances can lead to informative stories, such as technical/legal/cultural differences operating/colo in different locations.

    Overall the article starts on good footing, with general questions rephrased with the host in mind, e.g. "[company] was set up in [year]", expansion plans to regions outside of [company's current locations]. I think the interview could be fleshed out more, including some of the responses that were too short. Maybe the interviewer could guide the conversation in more detail next time. Example 1: in the reply mentioning the Ashburn location, why did they start out with those 2 particular US locations? What did the company do differently than the past and how have they applied the lessons learned to rolling out the upcoming locations? Example 2: how did the founders meet? (On LET, over a few beers, describe the scene?) Besides working different shifts, how do the partners' background and skills complement each other?

    From reading an article, did the readers …

    • get to know the personality leading the company a little more?
    • share a chuckle, relate to the experiences recounted in the interview?
    • learn something interesting about the company, the industry at large, etc.?

    If none of the above applies, what do you want to convey to your readers?

    There's room for improvement, but credit due for a different article feature, first attempts are often not as polished as desired. The question is not about defending the establishment, but to look at ways to make the articles better and reflect more of what people (factoring different audience subgroups) might want to read.

    Looking forward to the next one.

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  • LeeLee Veteran

    souen said: fwiw

    Nice write up however nobody that should be listening is.

  • @Lee said:

    souen said: fwiw

    Nice write up however nobody that should be listening is.

    Thanks. Well, if there are problems, at least lack of (hopefully somewhat constructive) feedback wouldn't be one of them.

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  • hawchawc Moderator, LIR
    edited August 2016

    Lee said: Nice write up however nobody that should be listening is.

    Well, I have just had a nice read and taken on some of the feedback here.

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  • @souen do you want to write for LEB? I'd welcome some of your contributions too.

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    SysAdmin said: @souen do you want to write for LEB? I'd welcome some of your contributions too.

    You should let me do interviews.

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  • LeeLee Veteran

    @Nekki said:

    SysAdmin said: @souen do you want to write for LEB? I'd welcome some of your contributions too.

    You should let me do interviews.

    Can't see what could go wrong there.

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    Lee said: Can't see what could go wrong there.

    I reckon I could single-handedly double LEB's daily traffic.

  • LeeLee Veteran

    Nekki said: I reckon I could single-handedly double LEB's daily traffic.

    Yeah, porn would do that easily.

  • I think that the only thing I have determined from reading this post is that @MrGeneral is an idiot for thinking this place was ever "unbiased." LET since the ownership of Colocrossing has become one of the biggest "cest pit[s]" of the hosting industry. @jarland seems to think this community has something to offer, but I don't see it offering anything of value anymore. Further many others don't think it offers anything of value.

    With Love...

    Alyssa

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    AlyssaD said: I don't see it offering anything of value anymore

    I disagree. I think you like saying that, I think you like knowing that it's been said. Yet, you swore you would never return and yet here you are. I think that speaks more than your actual words.

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  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @ManofServer said:
    Well how about @MrGeneral do a few interviews and settle this dispute?

    Contacted Alex about it but it seems he isnt interested hehe. Not an issue. :p

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  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @AlyssaD said:
    I think that the only thing I have determined from reading this post is that @MrGeneral is an idiot for thinking this place was ever "unbiased." LET since the ownership of Colocrossing has become one of the biggest "cest pit[s]" of the hosting industry. @jarland seems to think this community has something to offer, but I don't see it offering anything of value anymore. Further many others don't think it offers anything of value.

    With Love...

    Alyssa

    Some people here aren't biased. Simple as that. I decided to vent here. While some agree, others don't. That's what makes this community special. The ability to voice your concerns/opinion. I still want LEB to change drastically and increase its traffic, comments, shares and even bring new people.

    With love,
    Miguel

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