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How do you feel a out providers promising "unlimited" HD, CPU and RAM?

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  • Sure hosting companies offer "unlimited" shared hosting.
    But does anyone offer "unlimited" VPS?
    Companies can only offer "unlimited" shared hosting cause they can set limits within the control panel per account.

  • @404error said:

    And now for a personal story. Many moons ago I hosted an e-commerce website at one of those "unlimited storage" plans. After a while that account was suspended, and after inquiring the support department, I was told I had broken the TOS rule of "fair usage", which they would not provide what it really meant it terms of limits.
    That site was a low traffic e-commerce site with plenty of products, so that meant a lot of images, and images can be heavy. So basically I was consuming too much of my "unlimited" storage to host website related files.

    How much space were you using?

  • @donli said:
    How much space were you using?

    It was quite a while ago, I honestly don't remember. But I'd say that It was not outrageous, even for that time, because I had no problem finding a provider to host the website.
    But hey, it actually took me twice to learn.

    At first I blamed that specific provider, so I moved the website to another provider also selling "unlimited" HD. I then had the same problem with that provider so I thought... "well... I guess the problem is the unlimited bit of the plan" and then decided to never again host a website on any "unlimited" plan.
    A lot changed for me since then, but one thing that did not change to anyone is that unlimited HD is still non existent.

  • @404error said:

    @Ympker said:
    Unlimited does not mean infinite.

    Actually unlimited means having no limits.
    Here is the definition for ya.

    unlimited ʌnˈlɪmɪtɪd/
    adjective adjective: unlimited 1. not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent. "offshore reserves of gas and oil are not unlimited"

    synonyms: inexhaustible, limitless, illimitable, boundless, unbounded, immense, vast, great, extensive, immeasurable, incalculable, untold, unfailing, everlasting, infinite, endless, never-ending, bottomless, measureless, inestimable, cosmic More

    @Ympker said:
    Yet I usually sell my customers I do websites for an "unlimited" package. They wouldn't know if they need 1gb or 10gb or even 100mb. For others who bring their own websites it provides peace of mind given everybody so far seems to know the unwritten "dont be a dick" rule. A Provider is very unlikely to suspend/terminate you for legit/fair usage. It usually is more of a problem that "unlimited" attracts some d*cks who think they are going to host the new Megaupload on a shared hosting who ruin it for others.

    And the provider alone gets to decide who's the dick and who's fair. That's the problem with "unlimited" instead of clearly state what they are selling.

    Fair Point. But then again as a regular user odds are you will never be contacted by an unlimited host regarding your usage.

  • @jarland said:
    Know anyone purchasing unlimited web hosting from a reputable and established provider that is having trouble using the storage space for web hosting? You say it's better to go with someone who doesn't advertise unlimited so you must know someone.

    No, I did not say that. I said it is a better choice on the provider's side if they clearly communicate what comes with a package than relying on marketing stunts and then desperately falling back to some ominous terms of services when the customer actually wants to use the service he paid for.

  • How do you feel a out providers promising "unlimited" HD, CPU and RAM?

    Same as like to Bitcoin, or to my pension reserves, or to "free medicine or education in my country", or like someone writes on the walls.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    It's impossible to provide unlimited HD. Its reality. That's why no one does it, they simply hide limits in their TOS.

    It is definitely possible to provide a hosting account that does not limit storage. Unlimited = not limited = no limit placed for. It does not mean "there is no such things as limiting factors to disk space and you can store the entire world's worth of data here" and no one ever advertised it as such. All of these customers are not complaining about any issues with it, because they know it's for their website and not decades of Linux ISOs. They're not even thinking about how to abuse it because they're not nerds. They're mostly people who don't know how to count or plan for MB, GB, etc. They need someone to tell them not to worry about it, and that's why it keeps working. You're actually over complicating it while the rest of the world doesn't even have to think about it. All because you want to complain about something that isn't causing you or them a problem. The only person it's causing a problem for is the person who thinks they're purchasing cloud storage, not web hosting. Nothing about any host's marketing implies such a thing.

    And people continue to complain because they felt tricked.

    No they don't. People like you keep talking about them complaining. No one using their unlimited web hosting package with Dreamhost is complaining about having issues storing data for their website, no matter how much you wish it was true. You're having to make up a theoretical reality and assume it as true to justify an opinion that you state as fact which only has merit in theory and shitty providers. Shitty providers shouldn't be used to dismiss reputable and legitimate providers in any way.

    You just lost that bet. The support dep of that hosting company stated that I was using more HD that I should under the "fair usage" rule. They would not define the limit, I insisted to no avail. By the way, they arestill around and kicking.

    You were using the disk space for website hosting only, with a reputable provider? I'm going to want to see the details of this.

    Thanked by 2netpioneer Ympker
  • 404error404error Member
    edited December 2017

    @jarland said:

    It's impossible to provide unlimited HD. Its reality. That's why no one does it, they simply hide limits in their TOS.

    It is definitely possible to provide a hosting account that does not limit storage. Unlimited = not limited = no limit placed for. It does not mean "there is no such things as limiting factors to disk space

    Not limited disk space means not putting in place limiting factors to the use of disk space.
    So what "things" are you referring to exactly? Because if you hit the limit on any "thing" other than disk space then you can argue that this "thing" is limiting the use of the disk space because the user can't use the hosting any longer. But that's not what we're talking about, what we're talking about is not allowing users to use more than an arbitrary number of MB's (or inodes) when the users contracted a service with no such limits.

    What we're talking about is users subscribing a service with no limits, and when they are hit back for crossing an unknown limit, not even being allowed to know the limit and instead being jerked with a "fair usage" rule that means whatever the that specific provider decides it means.

    @jarland said:

    All because you want to complain about something that isn't causing you or them a problem ...
    No they don't. People like you keep talking about them complaining.

    Not true at all.
    Every time a customer is suspended for "fair usage" that's a problem.
    The nerds you keep talking about are not the ones who experience these problems at all, because these nerds, know that the offer is bogus to start with. So its exactly the people you say that don't' have a problem that end up experiencing this problem when, and if, their websites actually get traction.

    Most websites are small by nature, just like most websites don't get much traffic. That's why you don't get to see more complaints, its the only reason you don't get to see more complaints, and its also the reason "unlimited" offers are, as you put it, manageable. Yet not manageable enough so providers don't feel the need to stipulate limits for their unlimited storage. But just on the TOS. (to be fair, I remember one provider actually making a note on their sales page)

    @jarland said:

    You were using the disk space for website hosting only, with a reputable provider? I'm going to want to see the details of this.

    So a hosting company sells Unlimited HD, and you knowing that its an impossibility, I'm the one you distrust. Are you for real?
    Can't make this shit up, too hilarious.

    So, again, I'm gona post the definition for unlimited. The real definition, not one shaped up in a TOS that changes from provider to provider.

    unlimited
    ʌnˈlɪmɪtɪd/

    adjective

    adjective: unlimited

    1. **not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent.
      **"offshore reserves of gas and oil are not unlimited"

    synonyms:
    inexhaustible, limitless, illimitable, boundless, unbounded, immense, vast, great, extensive, immeasurable, incalculable, untold, unfailing, everlasting, infinite, endless, never-ending, bottomless, measureless, inestimable, cosmic More

    The above is what unlimited really means, and not what you would like it to mean.

    Thanked by 1bitswitch
  • I am not even sure why we would need to discuss the meaning of unlimited in the first place. That is pretty well and precisely defined. All the "interpretations" here just look like meager excuses for a provider to advertise and sell one thing but deliver another.

    Thanked by 1404error
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    Still using three unlimited hosting accounts with thousands and thousands of other people who have no complaints about it. Still shattering your false realities.

  • So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    Thanked by 2jar netpioneer
  • bitswitchbitswitch Member
    edited December 2017

    @jarland said:
    false realities.

    I am sorry but what are you even talking about?

    If you have unlimited hosting accounts where the provider fulfils his obligation than everyone will be pretty happy for you. That is however not the point of the discussion but rather providers selling such services but not providing them. And there are plenty of them out there, way too many.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited December 2017

    @bitswitch said:

    @jarland said:
    false realities.

    I am sorry but what are you even talking about?

    If you have unlimited hosting accounts where the provider fulfils his obligation than everyone will be pretty happy for you. That is however not the point of the discussion but rather providers selling such services but not providing them. And there are plenty of them out there, way too many.

    Which ones? What customers are having issues with unlimited storage through a reputable provider where their usage is for website hosting? If not reputable providers then the point is just "bad hosts exist" and that's, well... Duh. I'll prefer people showing evidence of their stories, same as any other situation. People are passionate enough about this topic to make up stories. I'll gladly show evidence of mine. The LET ticket system is on an unlimited host and always has been.

    You can't answer that question though because you're basing what you say on a theoretical reality. That theoretical reality is disputed by actual reality. Thus, this claimed reality where unlimited providers are problematic to any significant degree on the point of and because of the unlimited detail is, in fact, a false reality.

  • @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    I was never kicked out of a all you can eat buffet and I never left hungry from one. Then again, I'm not a regular because just like with hosting, I like quality.

    So whatever you're on about, I can't relate.

  • @404error said:

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    I was never kicked out of a all you can eat buffet and I never left hungry from one. Then again, I'm not a regular because just like with hosting, I like quality.

    So, why are you here? To poke fights over semantics? Reddit, BoingBoing, and several other nerd-slanted sites exist for this sort of thing. We're all about the dicks.

    Thanked by 2jar netpioneer
  • netpioneernetpioneer Member
    edited December 2017

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    So you are staying in a hotel. How much water can you use? Electricity? How many baths? Toilet paper? What about installing a washing machine in the bathroom?

    Thanked by 1jar
  • @jarland said:
    Still using three unlimited hosting accounts with thousands and thousands of other people who have no complaints about it. Still shattering your false realities.

    Seems to me that you are talking from an alternate reality.

    You have not shattered anyone's reality nor proven anyone narrative to be false but your own.

    I gave you the very definition of unlimited, it's your narrative that needs some thinking.
    And I say this with the utmost respect cause Its my understanding that you are a stand up guy.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @netpioneer said:

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    So you are staying in a hotel. How much water can you use? Electricity? Toilet paper? What about installing a washing machine in the bathroom?

    It's a scam if they don't let you. Those limits were never stated when I booked the room.

  • @netpioneer said:

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    So you are staying in a hotel. How much water can you use? Electricity? Toilet paper? What about installing a washing machine in the bathroom?

    When I go to a Hotel, I turn the hot water on all faucets and just let it run to make sure I get my money's worth. Same for the lights, TV, clock radios, and air conditioning! It's there for my convenience, so I might as well make use of it!*


    * Never touch the mini-bar. $3 for a candy bar? #SCAM!

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited December 2017

    @404error said:

    @jarland said:
    Still using three unlimited hosting accounts with thousands and thousands of other people who have no complaints about it. Still shattering your false realities.

    Seems to me that you are talking from an alternate reality.

    You have not shattered anyone's reality nor proven anyone narrative to be false but your own.

    I gave you the very definition of unlimited, it's your narrative that needs some thinking.
    And I say this with the utmost respect cause Its my understanding that you are a stand up guy.

    Still using three unlimited providers with thousands of other users who aren't complaining about this. You mad? Your life is a lie, you're trying to start a religion and cry about semantics, not talk about an actual problem (because you can't prove it to be a problem with reputable unlimited providers).

    I'm standing here with my evidence to the contrary: support.lowend.io

    I was always told in church that faith is believing in something you can't see. Believing in all of these angry Dreamhost users upset about unlimited hosting certainly takes a lot of faith. Easy faith to find when you're talking to the founder of the church.

    Thanked by 1netpioneer
  • 404error404error Member
    edited December 2017

    @WSS said:

    @404error said:

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    I was never kicked out of a all you can eat buffet and I never left hungry from one. Then again, I'm not a regular because just like with hosting, I like quality.

    So, why are you here? To poke fights over semantics? Reddit, BoingBoing, and several other nerd-slanted sites exist for this sort of thing. We're all about the dicks.

    Do you struggle with the meaning of unlimited too? I already posted the definition more than once but I'll gladly help you out and post one more time.

    I'm here for 3 reasons. Thank you for asking.

    • there a lot of experienced people in this forum.
    • there are good hosting companies to be found in this forum
    • the occasional drama.
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited December 2017

    @404error said:

    @WSS said:

    @404error said:

    @WSS said:
    So, those unlimited shrimp at Sizzler - why do you get a plate of 5, then 2, until you get your fill? Evidently they also want to close the business in the evenings, too. FALSE ADVERTISING!

    I was never kicked out of a all you can eat buffet and I never left hungry from one. Then again, I'm not a regular because just like with hosting, I like quality.

    So, why are you here? To poke fights over semantics? Reddit, BoingBoing, and several other nerd-slanted sites exist for this sort of thing. We're all about the dicks.

    Do you struggle with the meaning of unlimited too? I already posted the definition more than once but I'll gladly help you out and post one more time.

    I'm here for 3 reasons. Thank you for asking.

    • there a lot of experienced people in this forum.
    • there are good hosting companies to be found in this forum
    • the occasion allows drama.

    Do you struggle with "no one gives a fuck if you don't like a single word" bro? Because no one does. No one gives two shits if you like the way they and we used the word unlimited. No one is going to change the market because you're so OCD that you literally can't function with people using a word in a way that you don't prefer. It's not causing problems on any reputable provider and you can't prove otherwise, this is all about you.

    Now go wipe the tears off the dictionary you've been clinging to. I'll be logging into my unlimited accounts and triggering you.

    Thanked by 1netpioneer
  • @404error said:
    Do you struggle with the meaning of unlimited too? I already posted the definition more than once but I'll gladly help you out and post one more time.

    Thanked by 3jar netpioneer cassa
  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep
    edited December 2017

    Do I use them? no.

    Do I think they should be punished for using marketing terms like this? no.

    Do I laugh at people that come here asking for unlimited bandwidth? yes.

    Do I believe 99% of people that take them up on these offers actually use more than 100GB p/month BW or a few GB disk space (in the grand scheme of things)? no.

    Have I ever seen someone offering unlimited ram? no.

    Was the first moon landing faked to bankrupt the Soviets? probably.

    Is Linda Barker the most irritating British TV personality of the last 100 years? unlimited.

  • @AnthonySmith said:
    Was the first moon landing faked to bankrupt the Soviets? probably.

    ..then what was Reagans' star wars all about?

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep

    WSS said: ..then what was Reagans' star wars all about?

    unlimited.

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @AnthonySmith said:

    WSS said: ..then what was Reagans' star wars all about?

    unlimited.

    Triggered.

    Thanked by 2WSS netpioneer
  • WSSWSS Member
    edited December 2017

    This is why I love LET.

    It gives me

    _*ahem*_

    UNLIMITED

    pleasure.

  • @WSS said:

    When I go to a Hotel, I turn the hot water on all faucets and just let it run to make sure I get my money's worth. Same for the lights, TV, clock radios, and air conditioning! It's there for my convenience, so I might as well make use of it!*


    * Never touch the mini-bar. $3 for a candy bar? #SCAM!

    And don't forget to adjust the sound to maximum volume

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @WSS said:
    This is why I love LET.

    It gives me
    _*ahem*_

    UNLIMITED

    pleasure.

    That's what my Trojan wrapper said but it broke on the fourth guy.

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