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What kerouac said.
they shouldn't. They will be public if they want. Come on, people, that's Business 101
Do they've something to hide ? To whom people will complain if they'll disappear again as in 2010 ? I'm patiently waiting when this will happen actually. If I remember correctly @Spirit warned a lot when they started offering services again. Plus it has been asked million times why Steve (sales guy from delimiter) active on webhostingtalk and inactive here on let instead we have MarkTurner. I think that MarTurner is the same guy.
It's a high risk company, they're lying a lot (they do "own a lot of datacenters in the world") when people trying to get any proofs you guys saying that they shouldn't be a public and should be private or just what they want.
Put it simply people ordering services from delimiter, if everything is hidden who will trust them ? Who will pay them ? Delimiter and Yomura is a scam company (time already proved that) avoid them as far as possible.
I don't know, but they don't need to be as open as you want. If you don't want to work with them, just, don't. I know Delimiter's past, too.
If Mark was the same guy he could simply create an account named Steve here
Tcha-ran!
Wouldn't work well. Older LEB members remember Steve from Delimiter as a scammer. It was needed a new face.
It was proven numerous times how dumb LEB community is. Low prices + some sweetalk from decently acting guy and no one should dare to question host who scammed so many people in past ever again!
Lol all over something crazy its like some guy asking your wife if she likes her haired pulled during sex that is something private between the husband and wife. It all falls in the same terms of being privacy. Lol its a conspiracy!
@Ian_ you're to new here to know what's about and how many times Delimiter and other companies bought by Yomura vanished in past (clients data and payments included).
From wikipedia on private corps:
A privately held company or close corporation is a business company owned either by non-governmental organizations or by a relatively small number of shareholders or company members which does not offer or trade its company stock (shares) to the general public on the stock market exchanges, but rather the company's stock is offered, owned and traded or exchanged privately. More ambiguous terms for a privately held company are unquoted company and unlisted company.
Though less visible than their publicly traded counterparts, private companies have major importance in the world's economy. In 2008, the 441 largest private companies in the United States accounted for $1.8 trillion in revenues and employed 6.2 million people, according to Forbes. In 2005, using a substantially smaller pool size (22.7%) for comparison, the 339 companies on Forbes' survey of closely held U.S. businesses sold a trillion dollars' worth of goods and services (44%) and employed 4 million people. In 2004, the Forbes' count of privately held U.S. businesses with at least $1 billion in revenue was 305.[1]
Koch Industries, Bechtel, Cargill, Publix, Pilot Corp., Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu (one of the members of the Big Four accounting firms), Hearst Corporation, S. C. Johnson, and Mars are among the largest privately held companies in the United States. KPMG, the UK accounting firms Ernst & Young and PricewaterhouseCoopers, IKEA, Trafigura, J C Bamford Excavators (JCB), Lidl, Aldi, LEGO, Bosch, Rolex and Victorinox are some examples of Europe's largest privately held companies.
Reporting obligations and restrictions[edit]
Privately held companies generally have fewer or less comprehensive reporting requirements and obligations for transparency, via annual reports, etc. than publicly traded companies do. For example, in the United States, unlike in Europe[where?], privately held companies are not generally required to publish their financial statements. By not being required to disclose details about their operations and financial outlook, private companies are not forced to disclose information that may potentially be valuable to competitors and can avoid the immediate erosion of customer and stakeholder confidence in the event of financial duress. Further, with limited reporting requirements and shareholder expectations, private firms are afforded a greater operational flexibility by being able to focus on long term growth rather than quarterly earnings. In addition, private company executives may steer their ships without shareholder approval, allowing them to take significant action without delays.[3][4] In Australia, Part 2E of the Corporations Act 2001 requires that publicly traded companies file certain documents relating to their annual general meeting with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. There is a similar requirement for large proprietary companies, which are required to lodge Form 388H to the ASIC containing their financial report. In the U.S., private companies are held to different accounting auditing standards than are public companies, overseen by the Private Company Counsel division of FASB.[5]
Researching private companies and private company financials can involved contacting the Secretary of State for the state of incorporation (or for LLC or partnership, state of formation), or using specialized private company databases such as Dun & Bradstreet [6] or PrivCo [3]
TLDRR:
Only publicly traded corps have to have their records public.
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A URL would have sufficed instead. Either way, point proven. Yomura has no obligation to publish information to the public.
TL;DR Unless you are the government looking into an investigation, quit harassing Yomura about information that you have no entitlement to. If you don't like the way they run things, don't buy from them.
I just renewed my HP BL460C Dual X5150, 16GB, 500GB Dedicated Server. Honestly, for the amount they're charging, I'm not asking questions.
@kerouac
Remind me to get corporations advice from you in the future. sheesh.
Expecting to have rights to demand anything from anyone else in "un-American". discussions about anarchy and capitalism are not political they are ideological. you are spouting some nonsensical rubbish about mysterious organisations and the need to know and even what could be construed as making threats towards people and you think my comments are unrelated?
EVERY SINGLE TIME the government gets involved - "on behalf of you" - America (and every other Western country) gets a little less Capitalist and a lot more Socialist. By making the banks too big to fail, by manufacturing trillions of dollars to inject liquidity into the markets the government is stealing from you and giving to the banks. sure it may be unintentional, sure they may have thought it would have a different outcome but it didnt. every time you throw your hands up in the air and say thats not right - the govt should do something about that" you are giving away one more piece of personal responsibility to the the govt. who cares if businesses start (haha thats funny - people/businesses/govts have done this since the first time someone lent someone money) taking out loans and doing runners with the money? i would - but i wouldnt be asking the govt to do something about it. i would stop lending my money to reckless banks in the first place. govt regulation which is intended to protect you, which is intended to stop monopolies, which is intended to stop market manipulation always has negative consequences for you and me. There is nothing FAIR about the government.
anyway - as you rightly point out this doesnt belong in this thread.
i just renewed 2 x DualL5520 boxes.
they are only test boxes - i cant run them inhouse for the price im paying. if they go awol - they go awol.
I don't think I did that.
I'm concerned in the normal amount. I remember a time on LE* where companies with whois protection would not be considered even remotely legitimate. I just don't see how encountering made-in-5-minutes UK LLCs with nominee directors in the whois is any different than whois protection. That's the only issue I have.
@kerouac - in hindsight you might realise that some of these statements are nonsensical rubbish:
Wrong
Government is the #1 impediment to free markets
You havent come close to proving this
Nonsensical rubbish about mysterious organisations?
Let's call the IRS and find out how you pay your bills, if you're actually named "Mark Turner".
I wrote this as if you were claiming to be American, if you claim to be British I can come up something suitable for you.
More nonsense - I can make some nauseating connections - but which is it? english or american? i thought you had it all worked out? werent you on your way to big brother?
Governments ought to get the hell out of the way and let people and business manage their own affairs. The less a govt does the better off the country will be. More than half of americans are either directly employed by the govt, employed by businesses servicing the govt or are dependant on the govt for welfare. that leaves the burden for actually creating the products and IP and wealth to less than half of the country. Small business may just save America.
Only on LET could this turn into a 4 page thread. Jesus.
So you would argue that the US, as a whole populace, was better off in the 1800s and early 1900s than it is now? In the context of fair and equitable treatment and opportunity.
Well obviously you've got some thinking to do. I never insinuated that Yomura was somehow connected to big brother. That's your imagination about my comments.
However it is suprising how you think that I think Yomura is a big brother front, (and be angry at me for thinking that) and at the same time claim that you are pro-Capitalist and dislike the big brother being "big" (dislike the federal establishment).
So if I'm a nutjob who thinks Yomura is a gov't front company, why wouldn't you be on the same page as I am, seeing that you are an anti-establishmentist in a Republican way, which is a similar kind of nutjob.
I think this is an inner conflict for yourself?
Anyways, I don't claim Yomura is a US/UK gov't front company. (At least I don't claim this yet/ for now)
Such anti-federalism in a weird way, what @seaeagle does. Did you know that taxpayers pay for Walmart employees?
@kerouac you seem well meaning, but I think it really does come down to 'they are not obligated to answer any of your questions'. Likewise, people are never obligated to talk to police, no matter how much the latter harasses and prods them with questions.
I agree with what some people are saying here, i.e. if you feel uncomfortable over what they choose to keep private, simply don't host with them.
At the same time, I'll concede that your comparison to LET's whois protection proviso is interesting.
Rather than provide you a link or 6 that you might choose to find issue with there is realms of data available with numbers approaching:
80million american households receiving some form of govt benefits or welfare
40million direct and indirect employees of city, county, state and federal governments
$1.2trillion in welfare and medical expenditure at federal level
41% of gdp is spent by city, county, state and federal govts
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=what+percent+of+american+households+receive+government+assistance
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=what+percent+of+the+us+economy+is+government+spending
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending#United_States_of_America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending#As_a_percentage_of_GDP
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=how+many+employees+work+for+the+government
not at all - americans standard of living has increased significantly thru to something like the 70s. since then real wage growth and real standards of living have not benefited all americans the same way. many, many americans are much better off whilst many are at a similar level.
im not sure how you got that from my comments?
at the same time what has happened to americas public debt levels? much of todays wealth has been financed by unrepaid public debt which is growing at a rate I think should alarm all americans
there are not many things in this world that are black and white. the above question could be answered from so many different view points. there are many things that are better - there are many things that are most definitely worse.
federalism has its place. defence, law, education... not too many more places...
do you think its a good idea for the govt to be subsidising workers/companies? would it be better for the govt to actually live within its means first?
Interesting take on my comment.... you were the one threatening to run to the govt to dob one Mark Turner or whatever alias you believe he is using to whatever countries govt your detective skills had determined him to be in. you have an interesting way of reading what you want to see in other peoples comments. at least life wouldnt be boring looking at the world like that.
Translation: I don't have any unbiased sources but here's a bunch of scary sounding numbers that are entirely meaningless without proper context.
Oh Lord...
@seaeagle take a chill man!
and here you guys get all worked up and worried about who Yomura might or might not be and you cant see what is going on in front of you.
@wych - thanks