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What does it matter? I'm with Cltcam on this one.
As @c0y said, you probably know nothing about how private companies operate. Some companies want to make public their operations, some other don't. You do not have any legal wright to request information about anything they don't want to come public. You do not do business with them, you do not have any relationship with them, what you only have is curiosity in just a community forum. You say again and again that they did a press release somewhere sometime that announced something. Maybe you could think that the press release did not published for you or any Cltcam in the world, but for specific investors that are dealing with them. The fact they did publish a pr, doesn't give you any right to ask for more. It's not your business, it's their business, you have absolytely no relationship with them.
On the other hand, if you do have any relationship with delimiter, then, you have to ask them, not Yomura. The fact that one company is the owner of the other, doesn't make them the same company. They are different legal units in the corporate world with different economic and ownership status.
It matters for them. Try to ask a big oil or trade company in US any details about their business they didn't till now want to share in public. They will not tell you. Try to find information about some big holding companies that acquires other companies aroudn the globe. You will find anything for them, as most of them work in private.
Bottom line: We have ay right to ask details about companies that we deal with them, and there is a red line to that, too: we can ask for information only in the part that has to do with our relationship (e.g. we don't have the right to ask them how many empolyes do they have, what is their annual income or what is their real address if they have a PO address in public).
I don't get this. Everyone is b***ing over nothing? Do Delimiter and the other subsidiaries of Yomura give you good service? Are you the IRS investigating possible financial fraud?
It's obvious you guys are just a bunch of anarchists trying to cause some un-needed trouble. Just enjoy your service and butt out of what's not your business.
Last time I checked, LET was very against NSA-like actions. All of a sudden everyone wants to know everything about everyone else.
I guess you guys are right. I'm just tired of all these would-be host, especially here on LET.
@Cltcam no secret, Mark has said on these forums before about the datacenter. Was no secret.
Here's your simple answer. Don't use them.
If you don't like the service, you're not entitled to keep using it. There are many alternatives to choose from. Just don't expect to be getting competitive prices elsewhere like you'll find on LET.
Did you even bother reading the thread?
Yomura is their parent company.
He's basically proven what I stated earlier. These posters aren't here for any information. They are just a group of anarchists looking to cause some trouble. Had he actually paid attention to the thread, he would have noticed all of his questions were answered and that he's just looking like some ignorant fool right now.
whats wrong with anarchists? Thats right nothing.
Following your logic, I guess there's nothing wrong with being ignorant too. I've seen your previous posts (in other threads too), all you're looking for is to cause trouble. I'm just letting you know, it's not going to end nicely for you. Keep giving attitude like the way you've been doing, constantly spitting sarcasm out of your mouth, disrespecting and looking down on everyone else, and not contributing anything productive in your posts, you're in for a nice surprise.
@pwner kiss my @ss. The only ones causing trouble are people like you. You started it, slamming anarchists. Perhaps you need a little lesson in manners. Next thing you know you'll be on here talking about killing small animals and spouting more hate.
Edit: I only look down on dumb@sses. Most people here are pretty decent. Then I see posts from people like you.
You're making me laugh so much. I can't believe you think anarchy works. True anarchy never exists. Even in a riot environment, someone will always over-power and rule over the rest. You're just lurking the forum trying to pick fights with people by trashing their reputations and acting like you're so high up in the sky.
You tell me I need to learn manners, yet you're the one who's mouthing off and acting like a spoiled child. "kiss my @ss" isn't exactly respectful nor is it mature.
@Pwner true capitalism and socialism dont exist either. all are co-opted and corrupted by vested interests. simple fact of life.
That's right. There's that one saying: "You can't have too much of a good thing." In my opinion, it's best to take a little bit out of everything and mix it all in together. That way you don't have too strong of a power shifted to one side only. Just keep in mind that competition is that leads to advancement.
@Cltcam - do you feel better yet? does asking the same question repeatedly and getting the same answer repeatedly make you feel better? private companies have no obligation to tell you anything. if you are their customer they may be required to tell you things like tax registration numbers. if you are in a specific industry they may be required to tel their customers how they comply with specific legislation. none of that applies to your relationship with them.
@kerouac - have you read some of the things you wrote? some of them could be construed as threats/libel/intimidation and depending on what facts you have to support your posts could lead to you being the one in trouble?
I wouldnt know @MarkTurner from a bar of soap and Im not really sure I need to. And Im a customer of delimiters.
@Pwner capitalism has proven to be the single most effective ideology in terms of job and wealth creation and lifting the standards of living for all people. it is sad how un-capitalist the US and indeed all Western countries are these days.
http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/YC-5/nets
Just saying, Yomura holds quite a few IP addresses. A couple of /22's and a /19.
10,240 excluding IPv6, if I did my math right.
Honestly, I haven't been in such an agreement like this in a long time. It's nice to see others have the same ideology as me. I believe in working for what you earn, not just sitting around and contributing nothing to society in exchange for food stamps and EBT cards.
TL;DR: Yomura has no interest in becoming any sort of public frontend. If you don't trust them, don't do business with them. It's simple as that. We could pound @MarkTurner for more information but I think it's quite clear he is not going to give it, which is his good right.
I've personally had a bad experience with Yomura in the past when they purchased iFuseHosting. I haven't trusted them since and still don't, which is why I simply don't do business with them and move on with my life.
Company Identification Details
*** End of Report on LTT UK LIMITED ***
How do you know this isn't another subsidiary?
why would be i be in trouble against some party with ambiguous legal establishment?
@seaeagle @daxterfellowes
I cannot believe you guys are so weird. Aside from mildly extra-suspicious folk like us, this thread was quite normal until you guys showed up dumping your ideology on us, why did you want to put politics in a thread like this? You brought up anarchy and you bashed it yourself and go on with praising capitalism... What is wrong with you? How is any of this related? Why do you think asking for a company's legal information is somehow "un-American"?
If you actually think that being too strict about companies' information is somehow un-American or anti-capitalistic; you don't know what captalism is. Capitalism is not "jungle law". What happens if made up companies start getting credit from banks and can't pay, and you can't find any partners to pay it; only shelf directors? What happens if they build up debts to other companies and disappear? That is now how business should work; and that can only impair the free market.
found some clues http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/One_of_These_Things
Woah, when did I ever bash anyone or comment anymore than a listing to an ARIN WHOIS? Before you lump me into the majority or the minority, look at who you're tagging.
DRAMA!!!1!!
I'm ignoring your worthless rant and bolding what you're really trying to bring up. If you read the bold, you'll understand that it's not your business of what Yomura's holdings or financial statements are. You act like you are a bank that is loaning them money. You have no entitlement to find out anything about Yomura other than whatever has to do with the service you pay for. @mpkossen already summed up this thread and @MarkTurner has no intentions of releasing any private information about Yomura (and he has no obligation to).
If you want to go find out information about other people's business, go work for the NSA. Because at this point, what other private companies do is not your problem and they have ZERO OBLIGATION to tell you anything.
Basic information about any corporation is public record. Period.
as @jvnadr , @Pwner , and @mpkossen said.