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I don't know which is worse, living like a king in some undeveloped nation and knowing that you will never have enough money in good currency to be able to afford something as simple as Toyota car cause with real currency your wealth is not worth anything.
Or living in a rich country where you can't afford most of the stuff and need to think and calculate everything you buy lol.
Yeah lol that's the question
I just get triggered when I see (mostly russians honestly) talk about their low prices without ever mentioning the obvious
I'd rather get €500 and pay €0.06 per KWh
Than get your €2,000 and pay €1.95 per KWh. I really feel sorry for you. You're being ripped off. Not us.
I have a friend who lives in Helsinki and pays €800 a month for an apartment. You just don't realize that higher wages mean higher prices for everything. You end up with the same thing after all the payments.
I think I still prefer the latter. There is always hope for climbing up and basic things are working well and usually cost next to nothing. Plus you can always visit some poor country and have a nice holiday and live the dream for a while.
Its the same for them too. They are seeing us as idiots since we can stand the constant woke shit that is not present in Russia. You have to smile here and preach about inclusion and peace and understanding when kids are being raped at streets by random immigrants. If you talk about this issue or the gang/roadman issue, you are instantly branded as racist/nazi/whatever else.
Suppose you hear some woman boss talking about how its so progressive to talk about the bugs being the next sustainable protein for us.
What do you respond? "Yes, its very climate friendly at least and the animals don't have to suffer". - The politically correct answer which wont offend anyone.
What would you like to say? "I dont care if you like to eat weeds for breakfast, but I need my egg and bacon bitch. Fuck all the hypocrite elite and their progressive ideas. Like they would ever eat bugs like rest of us "peasants".."
Its annoying since everyone here knows full well that you can't say a thing anymore without being crucified by the politically correct common opinion, so we play this stupid theather every day in everywhere cuz you don't know who you can share the true opinions anyway.
Meanwhile a Russian can still proudly say "Fuck you, go eat shit". when someone starts to moralize you. I do envy that sometimes. In here you would get excluded from every circle instantly.
Then there's the fact that our politicians are just as power hungry and corrupt, but they can hide it better and still talk about justice like hypocrites, in Russia they're just openly doing shit without anyone needing to pretend anything.
Granted, thanks to their hypocrisy, I wont get ordered into Ukraine front as a foot soldier cuz they need to look good after all lol.
Note that despite all these, I'd still easily choose west any time over a lawless place like Russia no matter how cheap the electricity is.
No place is perfect, Finland is certainly not.
Jenkki IQ
Or even (if you work remotely, in tech especially) move to such a place, making the same developed salary
Finland is a rich country? Don't be ridiculous. A country of 5 million on a huge territory with mostly pensioners and immigrants.
Salaries are higher but prices in Finland are much higher and you end up overpaying for everything. A higher salary in numbers doesn't mean ultimately a higher income after all the benefits. You're being hoodwinked.
Of course we realize, I am just not sure about the second part.
$7 we both pay for low-end VPS or $500 we both pay for low-end Lenovo laptop is less expensive for me than for you. And that's not mocking or anything, just a fact.
Actually, the average here is more than double that
https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/labour-market/wages-salaries-and-labour-costs/wage-and-salary-structures-in-the-private-sector-slp/pong/tables-and-graphs/average-monthly-salary-1973-/
Compare 0,02 or 0,06 with 1,95? How much times id lower?
So you're realizing your point is moot, hence, you focus only on ONE product now?
I don't even think you're this dumb, I just think you're completely brainwashed to believe that your low salary is good
I'm not sure that's better, but it is what it is
We pay 0.80 for a local VPS, and there is a huge used electronics market where you can buy the same laptop 30-50% cheaper. Even a 0-1 year old model. A lot of people are taking advantage of this.
You don't have to buy hardware, but if you don't pay rent or electricity, you'll have much bigger problems.
It kinda is, in terms of infrastructure, and general stuff that rich countries have. But you are correct. We are going towards the hell very fast. In 10 years, we will be worse than balkans and in 20 years, Polish workers wont be coming here. Instead it will be Finnish workers going to Poland for work.
You can buy used stuff for cheaper anywhere, that's not new nor something russian
Low end products are indeed cheaper, but we will both pay exact same price for high end products. It must suck realizing that even a street cleaner in poverty stricken Finland is making more money than some specialist would.
The cleaner can save and buy a car, or the latest electronics, but the specialist cannot with his 800€ pay converted to rubles.
But the same is true backwards. At the end of the month, street cleaner would have used everything while the specialist probly has few K rubles left and could easily afford to do pretty much anything locally. Which one is the poor here? I don't know to be honest.
You realize that these are LIFE necessities. You may not eat or drink, but you have to give it to them. Whether you want it or not. If you don't pay, they will sue and cut off your electricity and heat supply to your house. In the North Country, you can't live without it.
If you compare gasoline prices in Finland and Russia, the comparison will not be in your favor. City transportation fare, too
I won't have ANY problems. That's just your twisted imagination. It's not like power costs introduce 50% my life expenses or something. I spend more for my hobbies than for utility power.
Besides that you completely missed my point about other expences. Imho. you live in denial.
Yes, because you live in a poor country. That's kind of how it works..
Our bus tickets are more expensive, because our bus drivers are making, I'd say about 5x the median russian salary. This is not something you brag about.
Yes, another Russia de-rail. Good job.
I think hes correct on one part.
Life necessities are affordable there, (if they are even available in stock).
In here you could make several times more money but still get fucked when lunch costs 13,50€ in your workplace and milk is 3€ at gorcery store.
Assuming you can make enough here to cover your food/fuel/electricity costs easily. then its better to live in west where you make money.
But what is you cant spend 500€ on food costs and another 1100€ for rent on 40 square meter apartment? you are simply fucked and need to save with other costs, or eat less.
You've had stereotypes since the Leningrad Cowboys.
When were you in Moscow? About 25 years ago, maybe? You should go see it.
I just shared information that caused such a stressful frenzy in some representatives of the glorious Suomi.
but for this price he has a toilet inside the apartment and does not steal toilets in Ukraine to put them in a wooden booth on the street
No, Moscow is beautiful, but that's not Russia - you and I both know it. The fact that Russia is poor is obvious, just compare the links I sent with the salaries.
When you mention prices, you also don't mention Moscow prices, you even said so yourself:
So don't compare prices of the country with the infrastructure of Moscow, you're spinning things all the time and it's never going unnoticed, so I'm not quite sure what you're doing or going with this..
Yee I saw on youtube that somewhere in Manhattan a tube of toothpaste was 9 fucking dollars. Jeeeesus 9€ covers my toothpaste needs for the whole year. And I use a lot
In Russia you just gargle vodka. Even cheaper (reusable).
Well, that's your wet fantasy. At least now NATO soldiers can go to the your bathroom for free.
lmao low budget propaganda
For reference and transparency, I make 3003€/m doing IT job.
After taxes that's about 2450€ or less directly on my hand.
This is after the raise. I made 2600€ few months before. Its about 2000€ per month after taxes.
So earlier 2000€, currently 2450-2500€
Now my living costs:
With lunch being: 13,30€ currently at work. Sometimes I pack lunch myself, but everyone wants to be socially active too, so I do eat there every other day or third day.
I have very expensive grocery stores nearby, they are not luxury but everything just costs like mad, there's nothing I can do about it. Food is expensive. So I reserve 500€ for food per month. Sometimes I order take-in. (I live alone)
Rent is roughly 900€/m for my doghouse apartment in Helsinki city since I don't have a car, and can't live outside public transport lines.
HSL monthly ticket for public transport costs 70€/m
Then there are my student loans, and other costs like phone number, home internet, water bills, and anything else I need such as clothes and cleaning supplies.
I cant even imagine affording car with my current pay and my current costs.
It's not exactly a dream life, but I'm sure I would do worse in Russia.
I currently have expenses of around 2k€/m so I have some extra cash finally due to the raise.
They hadn't been to Norway yet.
Finland and Norway are the most expensive countries in Europe. They pass it off as wealth. Oh, come on.