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Tommorrow Finland electricity prices peaking at ~1.9€/KWh VAT 0%.

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  • 404error404error Member
    edited January 2024

    Sounds nice. Here is about €1400 which is misleading as hell... considering that 20% of the population earn the minimum salary that was just increased to €820.
    No surprise that the amount of known homeless people increased by 78% in the last 4 years.
    `
    Living in a country that artificially increased its minimum wage by 70% in the last 10 years, and its a member of the EU since 1986. I can tell you that without a doubt earning higher wages does not automatically equate to more purchasing power.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2024

    @PulsedMedia said:
    NATO is not enslavement or stupid idea.
    This unites countries, joins forces; Therefore just the threat of violence makes things more stable in the region.

    Finland also gained more access to NATO gear which was unobtainium before, further Finland gained for us, the most precious thing we simply do not have; Warm bodies.
    Further i bet our military industrial complex sales are going to skyrocket as well being part of NATO. Not like that industry needed any help to begin with, but hey, more revenue to Finland == Every Finn is better off long term :)

    Finland has less than 6M people, this has driven our strategies and doctrine heavily, and lack of soldiers has been a huge weakspot. It might seem we don't have that issue, but that's only because every man in this country is supposed to goto military or civil service, creating a huge huge reserve, but there are no replacements. These guys are gone? The whole country is more or less gone.

    It's exactly like Finland bets the farm and house for victory. Russia loosing a million soldiers won't kill Russia. Finland loosing million soldiers? If we didn't loose war outright, we are going out in a whimper over the next few decades.

    Also; NATO membership costs us a mere 20M $ annually, due to the fact that we already met all the other requirements. that 20M $ is essentially "office fee" for secretaries etc.

    We now have several US bases with the latest and greatest gear, stuff we missed prior, and i would presume NATO v Russia war, Finland would be prioritized due to the huge border and proximity to St. Petersburg in NATO resources.

    This added to Finnish security; Not took away.

    It would be even more expensive for Russia to attack Finland today, they would meet the full force of NATO.

    I would argue this is the first time in 80 years we can sigh in relief, we've kept the monster at bay.

    Now, let's just not get any ideas getting Karelia back please. No war ok, tnx.

    I respect your view. After all you live there and I don't anymore.

    You know about 2 years ago I even might have agreed. But seeing nato getting demasked, stripped and all their wonder-weapons like leopard, patriot, etc. miserably fail I don't.
    There's also another point I'm afraid you'll learn about very painfully: "nato" (read: the us-american forces + vassals) isn't about protecting other countries but about having bases everywhere, controlling and sending as cannon fodder those countries' forces to die for them and most of all to protect one thing and one thing only, the hegemony of the USA.
    Finland coming into nato serves one true purpose: it allows "nato" to put troups, weapons, and possibly nukes there. Which will boil down to sooner or later Russia destroying (at the very least) those sites, not because they hate you, they highly likely don't, but because (at the very least) those sites MUST be destroyed for the national security of Russia.

    Just think how the USA would react if Russia put their nuke missiles to say, Cuba! Or no, wait, no need to think about it because we already know...

    I'm afraid the true cost for "north Cuba" will far - and brutally - exceed $20 Mio.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited January 2024

    @jsg said: But seeing nato getting demasked, stripped and all their wonder-weapons like leopard, patriot, etc. miserably fail I don't.

    ... said "superpower" who needs to buy hundreds of state-of-the-art (lol, just like C1V garage DC) drones from someone like Iran to stay at least semi-relevant in their occupation of a neighbour country.
    At this point, you're not capable of invading even some Poland and I am not even joking.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @PulsedMedia said: NATO is not enslavement or stupid idea.

    Nato is actually saving a lot through standardization and specialization, or that is the idea, anyway. We are still far from that and there is a lot of redundancy, but the recent events are focusing minds and everyone wants to do more with the available resources, so I am sure a lot of slack will be cut.

    In general, polling resources is a good idea, it works for Nato, for the EU and not only, there is cooperation with the Pacific rim, Korea, Japan, Australia, the democratic bloc is forming and not only militarily.
    If the revisionist bloc wants to stay apart and do wars instead, that is their choice, we are preparing and cooperation will be forced upon us, even if we have nationalistic idiots in power, they will have to face facts, like the Brits are reckoning with the post-Brexit disaster.

    The EU grid is just one of the aspects which will be greatly improved really soon, we have to, there is no way around it.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    People, we have a specialized thread for this, please don't derail others.

  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: But seeing nato getting demasked, stripped and all their wonder-weapons like leopard, patriot, etc. miserably fail I don't.

    ... said "superpower" who needs to buy hundreds of state-of-the-art (lol, just like C1V garage DC) drones from someone like Iran to stay at least semi-relevant in their occupation of a neighbour country.
    At this point, you're not capable of invading even some Poland and I am not even joking.

    Well, they've had their own production line for some time now and given how the other superpower just had to get some kind of missiles (was it anti-aircrarft? can't really remember) from Japan it doesn't seem all that uncommon either. Now one of those two is currently indirectly fighting a ton of countries while the other could have had the luxury to simply don't give its stuff away to the point of depletion. I don't see all that much to boast about here to be honest.

    As far as the mockery is concerned NATO kind of brought it onto itself. The weapons likely aren't half bad (well at least besides the German tanks - i'd guess half of those broke down when the engine was started up for the first time as is usual with current German military equipment) but given they were dumped on the battlefield largely uncoordinated and used by people with hardly any training they obviously ended up as expensive scrap metal quickly. Now that alone likely wouldn't have done much but each of those shipments being hyped as a gamechanger just to be wasted very much has made it into a running gag.

    By the way, going by an estimate of the Estonian ministry of defense Russia is currently outperforming NATO in production of artillery shells by a factor of 4-4.5 with NATO needing at least until 2025 to catch up under ideal circumstances. I'm not a big fan of making military stats into kind of a contest (i actually think all this militarization of society currently going on is seriously fucked up) but underestimating Russia is probably not the wisest idea.

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  • @totally_not_banned said: Now one of those two is currently indirectly fighting a ton of countries while the other could have had the luxury to simply don't give its stuff away to the point of depletion.

    Show me the country who's giving away in masses all their the best most modern stuff.

  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:

    @totally_not_banned said: Now one of those two is currently indirectly fighting a ton of countries while the other could have had the luxury to simply don't give its stuff away to the point of depletion.

    Show me the country who's giving away in masses all their the best most modern stuff.

    Well, if US didn't give away those missiles it's now getting from Japan that would mean they were missing stocks to begin with, which would be even worse. Besides i think with the common stuff (missiles, shells, etc) it's not really that much about modernity. These are probably largely pretty standard fare.

    Edit: It's patriot missiles Japan is sending to the US.

  • You're suspicious to me. Not just now, also some of your previous posts. Tiny details. I will follow your RU vs West posts more closely :P

  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:
    You're suspicious to me. Not just now, also some of your previous posts. Tiny details. I will follow your RU vs West posts more closely :P

    Haha, sure, why not. Do as you wish. I'm very much a traitor to the "Russia shit - NATO great" narrative that's going around currently (i'm sorry to burst peoples bubble's but the stuff is often times very much wishful thinking) and i'm not hiding it ;)

    As for making fun of the German military: As a German myself i have every right to make fun of them :D

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  • @totally_not_banned said: I'm very much a traitor to the Russia

    Oh, it wasn't just now and Germany related. I am pretty sure you have an agenda. But you're doing it more sensible, surgical ... like a pro, compared to someone like @jsg who's just a regular forum member who happens to be Russian.
    At first I thought it was a coincidence. Now I am not so sure about that. Like said, I will follow your posts related to this topic more carefully :P

  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:

    @totally_not_banned said: I'm very much a traitor to the Russia

    agenda

    That's quite flattering but i think you largely overestimate me. I simply feel that adding a minority opinion is good as chances are it won't get mentioned at all otherwise. If there's agenda behind it it's probably at best that i think militarization and idolizing military alliances is pretty fucked up. But i might also be a spy, who knows? ;)

    (Seriously, why are people so extremely paranoid these days? That alone is pretty scary.)

  • I am just messing with you, btw :)

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  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:
    I am just messing with you, btw :)

    Hahaha, fuck me! Well played :D

    It's a bit crazy how easy it is to take something like this serious these days though.

    Thanked by 1Mumbly
  • I couldn't help myself. I am sorry :)

  • edited January 2024

    @Mumbly said:
    I couldn't help myself. I am sorry :)

    It's all good. I'm still laughing as i write this. I have to say that i seriously got a little uneasy over here feeling i'd have to explain myself but it's very much relieving to see that still not everyone is taking these kind of topics like super serious :)

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited January 2024

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @Mumbly said:
    You're suspicious to me. Not just now, also some of your previous posts. Tiny details. I will follow your RU vs West posts more closely :P

    Haha, sure, why not. Do as you wish. I'm very much a traitor to the "Russia shit - NATO great" narrative that's going around currently (i'm sorry to burst peoples bubble's but the stuff is often times very much wishful thinking) and i'm not hiding it ;)

    Yep, wars are not decided in forum pissing contests nor in PR blabla nor by belief systems. They are decided on the battle field - and looking there I see the russian forces doing very well, and btw. their weapon systems too.

    But the "we trust in nato being totally superior" sect didn't "think" that Russia, the "gas station with nukes" had a military of any significance at all, until the nato got more and more desperate and overwhelmed; they also didn't "think" it possible that Russia had any capability to produce weapons and ammo, until the Russians outproduced the whole nato multiple times over; and until this day, now, they are laughing when I tell them that they haven't seen anything so far because actually Russia fights with soft gloves in the current Nazi-theater. They'd be amazed (during the last days of their lives) seeing Russia fighting in hardcore mode, if ever it came to that.

    What's really the biggest factor to the advantage of nato is the peaceful and peace loving nature of Russians.

    But, I have to be honest, Russia can be defeated e.g. by the german military! All they needed to do was to paint their leopards in rainbow colours and fill them with "diverse" trannies and pregnant soldiers ... and the russian soldier would laugh themselves to insanity and finally to death.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @totally_not_banned said: Well, if US didn't give away those missiles it's now getting from Japan

    Like everything else, missiles have a shelf life. Many things in the west, not only missiles, are slated for replacement, have been replaced and now refurbished for Ukraine or have been sold as scrap metal and are now bought back. The Putlerist talking points in contradiction here are:

    1. The west sends its crap to Ukraine;
    2. The west depleted itself and is now ripe for conquest.

    That might not be apparent to a regular propaganda punter, but it is clear to anyone who thinks.

    While there has been some good stuff sent, that is very little and very late, most is 70s and 80s stuff, even 60s leopard 1 and other things, soviet style junk and other surplus slated for decommissioning at a high cost. Warehouse space is being freed in anticipation for the ramping up of production to face the Imperial expansion head on.

  • edited January 2024

    @Maounique said:

    @totally_not_banned said: Well, if US didn't give away those missiles it's now getting from Japan

    Like everything else, missiles have a shelf life.
    ... some blabbering ...

    Thanks captain obvious but i don't think anyone (and very certainly not me) asked for your opinion.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited January 2024

    @jsg said: They are decided on the battle field

    No, they are not. Like WWII was not won by the Germans who had the better weapons, but by the Industrial might of the Allies and the economy able to support that financial effort.

    @jsg said: and looking there I see the russian forces doing very well, and btw. their weapon systems too.

    Very well? At their huge advantage very well would have been to take Kyiv in 3 days, well in 2 weeks, not so well in a few months, badly to reach Dnipro everywhere in the first year, very badly to take Donbas and up to Odesa in 2 years, disastruously to take only the 4 annexed (so far) oblasts by now and a category of its own, the current state of affairs.

    As for the weapon systems bombing Russian villages and towns, yeah, if the current rate of conquest is going very well, then the weapon systems are performing similarly, so, very well compared to the expected Ruski Mir level.

  • edited January 2024

    @jsg said:
    But, I have to be honest, Russia can be defeated e.g. by the german military! All they needed to do was to paint their leopards in rainbow colours and fill them with "diverse" trannies and pregnant soldiers ... and the russian soldier would laugh themselves to insanity and finally to death.

    Good thinking but i fear that won't work either as the solar powered tanks will likely run out of gas (pun very much intended!) about 50km into Russia ;)

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited January 2024

    @totally_not_banned said: Thanks captain obvious but i don't think anyone (and very certainly not me) asked for your opinion.

    Nobody asked for yours either and, to be fair, you are mostly spewing propaganda "opinions" (when you do, in fact, put up some statements and not only personal attacks and denials).

    @jsg said: All they needed to do was to paint

    Nah, all the paint has been already delivered to Ukraine, there is nothing left for the German tanks.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    I WAS PART OF THIS SHIT AS WELL BUT WELL PUT @MOOPAH - JUST GO TO THE VATNIK VS. UKRAINE THREAD NO NEED TO HAVE TWO PARALLEL ONES

    Thanked by 1Kris
  • edited January 2024

    @Maounique said:

    @totally_not_banned said: Thanks captain obvious but i don't think anyone (and very certainly not me) asked for your opinion.

    Nobody asked for yours either and, to be fair, you are mostly spewing propaganda "opinions" (when you do, in fact, put up some statements and not only personal attacks and denials).

    Contrary to you feeling the need to once again dump your never ending supply of condescending nonsense on me the person i was talking to didn't seem to mind. Now go and annoy someone else please.

  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Patron Provider

    @jsg said: You know about 2 years ago I even might have agreed. But seeing nato getting demasked, stripped and all their wonder-weapons like leopard, patriot, etc. miserably fail I don't.

    Hi-Mars. Need more? ;)

    @jsg said: ut the "we trust in nato being totally superior" sect didn't "think" that Russia, the "gas station with nukes" had a military of any significance at all, until the nato got more and more desperate and overwhelmed; they also didn't "think" it possible that Russia had any capability to produce weapons and ammo, until the Russians outproduced the whole nato multiple times over; and until this day, now, they are laughing when I tell them that they haven't seen anything so far because actually Russia fights with soft gloves in the current Nazi-theater. They'd be amazed (during the last days of their lives) seeing Russia fighting in hardcore mode, if ever it came to that.

    What's really the biggest factor to the advantage of nato is the peaceful and peace loving nature of Russians.

    But, I have to be honest, Russia can be defeated e.g. by the german military! All they needed to do was to paint their leopards in rainbow colours and fill them with "diverse" trannies and pregnant soldiers ... and the russian soldier would laugh themselves to insanity and finally to death.

    Holy shit, sounds like someone had taken more than their fair share of the propaganda machine! Or this is 100% sarcasm, just lacking in the funny section.

    It's right now in everyone's (but Ukraine's) best interest the war continues and gets prolonged. It is true, countries like Germany is weak AF candy asses; But don't think for a second there isn't production going on, or even less the capability. There's a reason russia has to resort to buying ammunition from North Korea too ;)

    Never forget the Nazi card either, ofc.

    You got to be Russian by the sounds of it.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Everyone's too triggered to take the advice :disappointed:

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    I GOTTA BE THE LAST TO MAKE A POINT!!!!

  • edited January 2024

    BUT WHAT IF I SCREAM LOUDER!?!?!?

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