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HXServers | Our apologies | RCA | What happened?

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  • Should merchants put new discount codes on the shelves to make more money? HHHHHHa

  • @hxservers said: We don't mind operating in the negative, but this was severely in the negative, and would've reduced our ability to improve our platform.

    Rest of your post. It's all crap.

    I think what's quoted here speaks volume to your business acumen or lack thereof.

    Why the hell would you operate something like this in the negatives? Did you not factor the risks associated with this? Did you not factor the magnitude of this?

    Also what the hell is up with the advertising on your website? 400k+ spent on infrastructure? Over 10k tickets? What's the 40% cost reduction based on?

    This post doesn't redeem you from the situation that's occurred. Instead, it shows the complete lack of planning, business sense, and just thought you've put into your business.

  • @JabJab said:
    I like how no one connected the dots and never asked the question: Why the fuck no client opened a support ticket asking for details/refund/additional questions/I_want_my_IP for like 3 weeks.

    haha, I also think the same. How could they not be suspicious when for 3 weeks no one had opened a ticket or asked about the problem they had been told about?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @HalfEatenPie said:

    @hxservers said: We don't mind operating in the negative, but this was severely in the negative, and would've reduced our ability to improve our platform.

    Rest of your post. It's all crap.

    I think what's quoted here speaks volume to your business acumen or lack thereof.

    Why the hell would you operate something like this in the negatives? Did you not factor the risks associated with this? Did you not factor the magnitude of this?

    Also what the hell is up with the advertising on your website? 400k+ spent on infrastructure? Over 10k tickets? What's the 40% cost reduction based on?

    This post doesn't redeem you from the situation that's occurred. Instead, it shows the complete lack of planning, business sense, and just thought you've put into your business.

    $400k spent just to yolo a single box in Dallas. Not a dime in market research or commitment. $400k spent but not a single dollar buying IP blocks or at least securing long term leases.

    Ipxo is not long term. You’re completely reliant on whichever IP owner doesn’t decide to yeet you and IPXO has no say.

    Reliablesite doesn’t do colo, period. All of their servers are rented.

    The shitburger is thiiiiic.

    Francisco

  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Host Rep

    @hxservers said:
    Hello all,

    I'm sure by now you've heard about the recent issues with HXServers. I wanted to create a new discussion to better inform existing customers, and potential new customers with actual facts instead of conjecture and opinions of what happened.

    What was the reason to "RETIRE" plans?
    HXServers started on "Platform 1.0" - Using Virtualizor. We switched to VirtFusion, calling it "Platform 2.0". All customers hosted on Virtualizor had their VPS plan named changed to "RETIRED". Originally, we stated we had no intention on forcing customers to Platform 2.0 under VirtFusion. Unfortunately, we've had to change that decision, as part of Platform 1.0 was renting IPs at $2 / IP from ReliableSite, GTHost, etc. We don't mind operating in the negative, but this was severely in the negative, and would've reduced our ability to improve our platform.

    What was the plan to retire Platform 1.0?
    The plan was to notify customers on October 1st that migration needs to happen by October 21st. Our intention was to provide a new VPS to customers under Platform 2.0, with the same VPS specs and price. Any customer who paid for October would be refunded in exchange for the inconvenience of having to migrate.

    What actually happened?
    We did not notify customers. We had thought we did. This was gross negligence on our part. We relied on automation to notify customers and never did double check that automation had run successfully. The only piece of automation that worked, was automated refunds and automatic VPS termination. What makes things worse, is we didn't know automation failed for sending notifications until it was blatantly brought to our attention after VPS' had already been terminated. Upon investigation, the Announcement in our billing system wasn't even posted live, like we had initially claimed on LowEndTalk. The announcement, the email notification, every method we use to communicate to our customers, failed - without our knowledge. We could've checked this at any time, but we didn't.

    What VPS' were terminated??
    LA - RETIRED - All VPS have been terminated, without notice, with refund.
    NY - RETIRED - No VPS have been terminated.
    Miami - RETIRED - All VPS have been terminated and refunded where renewal was recent. Any VPS with a renewal date after October 21st was not terminated but will not renew and will be terminated at the next billing cycle.

    My VPS is terminated, can I get my data??
    This is the biggest problem in what we've done. Any VPS that has been terminated, has been fully removed from our servers. Data recovery is not possible. Unfortunately, when our system removes a VPS, it also removes any associated backup of that VPS at the same time.

    What happened with Dallas??
    Dallas was a new location. We rented servers from GTHost. We rented an IP Block from IPXO. We launched Dallas on October 13th, and by October 16th, we decided Dallas wasn't going to be a popular location. The 10 VPS that was hosted in Dallas, was refunded and terminated October 21st. Notifications were not sent for Dallas removal either.

    What are you going to do for RETIRED NY?
    Retired plans in New York will be properly notified and terminated. We will be triple checking all customers on retired plans in NY are aware of the termination before any termination happens.

    Many mistakes were made before, during, and after our plan to decommission our retired services and platform. Although refunds were processed correctly, we completely failed in notifying customers to prepare for migration. As a result, retired platform plans were terminated with seemingly no notice to our customers, causing data loss, mass confusion and frustration. As a company, HXServers needs to do better in the future, and we take this as a hard lesson to learn what not to do when handling customer data. Although this only affected a very small portion of our customer base, we're handling this as a disaster, caused by gross negligence. Customers affected by our gross negligence will receive a new VPS, with the exact same pricing (monthly only), and hardware specification free for the first month, and future months will match the previous price the customer paid. Although we're taking ownership of the recent issues, we must express our worrisome of our operations. As a company, HXServers needs to reevaluate our workflows, our (now former) employee(s), and our policies on customer data and customer notification processes. HXServers is committed to constant improvement, and hopefully some day we can rebuild the trust we once had in this community. We're extremely saddened by our recent actions and owe each and every one of our affected customers a huge apology. To those who are affected, we're so sorry for how we handled this, and we will never make these mistakes again.

    Number of VPS affected: 32
    Number of existing VPS: 1,432

    We understand you're frustrated. We're here to help as much as we can. Feel free to vent, interrogate us, belittle us - whatever you need to do. Let it out

    Your biggest mistake, you tried to compete with established providers on the basis of price, who are either colocating their servers or getting very good deals from their providers due to quantity.

    Why would anybody do business in LOSS ?

    Just because you got IP From IPXO does not mean they won't increase price of their IP, have you done any long term contract with them for IP Pricing ?

    what will happen if they increase your IP Price next month ?

    Clients data is of utmost value, loosing it repeatedly won't work

    If you are ready to do business in loss, why would you keep RETIRING locations ?

    Don't you have any business plan ?

    You are just appearing like a 10yr kid who keeps changing his mind every now and then ...

  • vbavba Member

    We launched Dallas on October 13th, and by October 16th, we decided Dallas wasn't going to be a popular location

    neither the people nor the business are mature

  • @Francisco said: The shitburger is thiiiiic.

    thiiiiiccccer than a bowl of oatmeal.

    Thanked by 2Francisco Marx
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    I want to root for you, I really do. But you trickle truthed everyone here and tried everything to escape responsibility. If you couldn’t make up a story to totally escape responsibility you pushed it off of yourself as much as possible and then gave everyone a half-assed apology for it.

    You might as well wrap up the rest of your locations, you’re done here. You might be the last one to see it, but I’m calling it like I see it.

  • @vba said:
    neither the people nor the business are mature

    He is 30 y.o :D at least...
    Started first business at 14 according to a statement that works since 2006.

  • Thanks all for your feedback.

  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited October 2023
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

  • JamesFJamesF Member, Host Rep

    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @JamesF said:
    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

    Well, if they’re using those “trial days” it would make sense why they bailed quickly .

    Still, not sure where this $400k came from when they have no assets here. No servers colocated, or ips, or whatever. A client list is worth nothing when it’s a customer base of loss leaders.

    Go talk with @smarthost and he will tell you bluntly that if you have more than a few % worth of annual cheap crap plans, no ones going to want to buy you out.

    Yearlies were how most of these hosts that were all rented-everything got by. They got a burst of cash in hopes of float for the year. Every host that showed up on here had such a plan and it was the gateway drug to get posted to LEB.

    I mean, shit, that was cucio’s whole thing. He forced 3 year deals on everything and maybe by the 3rd year your service worked. When he couldn’t fit afford gear he pushed credit matches. We called him on it, people defended him claiming we were picking on him, etc.

    @jbiloh should refund him his patron and “thanks but no thanks”. There really needs to be some screening here.

    Francisco

  • @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

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  • @JamesF said:
    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

    We have funds, we planned and executed poorly. We’ve moved to monthly because according to LET, we cannot offer annual plans on the forum as we’re a new company. On top of that, customers like to dispute PayPal charges on longer plans, resulting in payment reversals for server space we could’ve actually used for paying customers.

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  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Host Rep

    @hxservers said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

    No matter what you say, you FUCKED UP so just accept it try to do a better job next time ..

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  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2023

    @Francisco said:

    @JamesF said:
    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

    Well, if they’re using those “trial days” it would make sense why they bailed quickly .
    Francisco

    GTHost refunded me back to account credit for the remaining days on one of my servers in the past (i.e. prorata refund). Could be what happened here but no way to know for sure.

  • Maelstrom36Maelstrom36 Member
    edited October 2023

    400K+ spent on infrastructure? Is that 400K+ in time or money? If it's time, 400K seconds is about 4 days so it does become plausible. If it's money, which currency and what did you spend it on?

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @hxservers said: the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason.

    @hxservers said: Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs.

    I don't get it

  • @Francisco said:

    @JamesF said:
    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

    Well, if they’re using those “trial days” it would make sense why they bailed quickly .

    Still, not sure where this $400k came from when they have no assets here. No servers colocated, or ips, or whatever. A client list is worth nothing when it’s a customer base of loss leaders.

    Go talk with @smarthost and he will tell you bluntly that if you have more than a few % worth of annual cheap crap plans, no ones going to want to buy you out.

    Yearlies were how most of these hosts that were all rented-everything got by. They got a burst of cash in hopes of float for the year. Every host that showed up on here had such a plan and it was the gateway drug to get posted to LEB.

    I mean, shit, that was cucio’s whole thing. He forced 3 year deals on everything and maybe by the 3rd year your service worked. When he couldn’t fit afford gear he pushed credit matches. We called him on it, people defended him claiming we were picking on him, etc.

    @jbiloh should refund him his patron and “thanks but no thanks”. There really needs to be some screening here.

    Francisco

    We’re not using Trial days.
    The $400k comes from our infrastructure in Irvine Datacenter. We had originally offered it to customers however after multiple network attacks we quickly had to change plans as our Datacenter was not happy with us over it and was not equipped to handle such attacks.

    Our business plan does not rely on up front capital from customers. We have up front capital. We have no desire to offer yearly plans to accrue capital for future server bills. We have a steady in come of capital from our parent company which has been in business since 2020 and has been solid doing local Managed IT and Private Cloud out of our Irvine Datacenter. Although we call ourselves a startup, our parent company is not. Our strategy is to sell services on our servers, and grow and shrink as needed using the latest and greatest hardware and software. Renting servers, at least in the beginning, at other Datacenters who offers DDOS network protection is appealing to us. We rent and release servers as needed each month to fulfill our current orders and projected orders for the next month.

  • @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

    No matter what you say, you FUCKED UP so just accept it try to do a better job next time ..

    We have accepted it. And we will do a better job next time something like this happens. But I will try to respond to folks who have the wrong idea.

    Thanked by 1Plioser
  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Host Rep

    @hxservers said:

    @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

    No matter what you say, you FUCKED UP so just accept it try to do a better job next time ..

    We have accepted it. And we will do a better job next time something like this happens. But I will try to respond to folks who have the wrong idea.

    You are not accepting it as you are still trying to justify your actions

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  • @tentor said:

    @hxservers said: the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason.

    @hxservers said: Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs.

    I don't get it

    Dallas wasn’t selling orders nearly as fast as it needed to. We have a threshold for location to order quantity. If a location isn’t selling enough orders, it gets removed. It wasn’t because we couldn’t afford the server.

  • @Advin said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JamesF said:
    Looks like no real planning or management or real funds.

    Moving to monthly sounds like prices will be increased.

    Yearly plans are good to get capital in and know your expenditure.

    Well, if they’re using those “trial days” it would make sense why they bailed quickly .
    Francisco

    GTHost refunded me back to account credit for the remaining days on one of my servers in the past (i.e. prorata refund). Could be what happened here but no way to know for sure.

    This is exactly what happened with our account at GTHost.

  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Host Rep

    @hxservers said:

    @tentor said:

    @hxservers said: the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason.

    @hxservers said: Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs.

    I don't get it

    Dallas wasn’t selling orders nearly as fast as it needed to. We have a threshold for location to order quantity. If a location isn’t selling enough orders, it gets removed. It wasn’t because we couldn’t afford the server.

    You decided it just within 3 days ?

  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep
    edited October 2023

    @hxservers said: Our business plan does not rely on up front capital from customers. We have up front capital

    @hxservers said: Dallas wasn’t selling orders nearly as fast as it needed to. We have a threshold for location to order quantity. If a location isn’t selling enough orders, it gets removed. It wasn’t because we couldn’t afford the server.

    If you have enough front capital, you should easily be able to afford one month of a dedi.

    The dots aren't connecting buddy. Just accept it at this point.

  • @hxservers said:

    @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

    No matter what you say, you FUCKED UP so just accept it try to do a better job next time ..

    We have accepted it. And we will do a better job next time something like this happens. But I will try to respond to folks who have the wrong idea.

    Who is we? You said you were down to yourself since you supposedly fired your only employee.
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3740927/#Comment_3740927

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  • @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @Francisco said:

    @JasonM said:
    1. deleting users vps without notification cannot be taken as an apology!
    2. I'm still wondering within a span of only 3 days (oct 13-16) how can a host decided the said location is not going to be popular and push the terminate button? Did you expect sales quantity like AWS or Google Cloud, like 1000s vps created on day 1 itself or was that black-friday that 1000s of LETians will catch the deal ?

    GTHost has single day “trials” up to 10 days. They likely didn’t want to run out of those “trial” days and then be forced into a full contract.

    Francisco

    We do not do trials on any of our servers. I’ve said this time and time again, the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason. Our customers simply weren’t interested in Dallas. We get 30 orders a day for Los Angeles, 15 a day for New York and Dallas received 10 over the course of 3 days. Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs. We should’ve never opened Dallas in the first place. We could’ve done a better job notifying customers (this is an ongoing trend at this point) and perhaps opened Dallas as a “beta” or “potential site” warning customers their first month could be their last depending on order volume and if Dallas was a viable option to continue hosting from.

    Furthermore, GTHost has never entered into a “contract” with us that you speak of. Phoenix was also GTHost which has also since been closed down.

    No matter what you say, you FUCKED UP so just accept it try to do a better job next time ..

    We have accepted it. And we will do a better job next time something like this happens. But I will try to respond to folks who have the wrong idea.

    You are not accepting it as you are still trying to justify your actions

    Hmmm, perhaps I can see how you see it that way, but literally I’m only responding to clear the air, and let facts be known. Instead of conjecture from people that are simply guessing about what the reasons are. I’m just trying to provide facts.

    And to be clear, none of this is being written to justify any actions of HXServers. I know we screwed up, and we’re doing everything we can to improve and prevent this from happening again.

  • @HostEONS said:

    @hxservers said:

    @tentor said:

    @hxservers said: the reason to close Dallas was not a financially driven reason.

    @hxservers said: Dallas was 6x the cost of what our typical Los Angeles servers costs.

    I don't get it

    Dallas wasn’t selling orders nearly as fast as it needed to. We have a threshold for location to order quantity. If a location isn’t selling enough orders, it gets removed. It wasn’t because we couldn’t afford the server.

    You decided it just within 3 days ?

    Yes.

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