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Hi,
Adding Shared hosting offers over VPS to LET would be a great idea..!! It will invite more users and shared hosting providers to interact.
Hooray!
Then noone cares that I spam my signature again ... oh wait ...
Due to confusion over the poll and significant feedback that the options presented were not representative of the feelings of many, the poll has been taken down and will go back to the drawing board. I'll work on finding a better way to make this all inclusive for members to really drive this process.
I really want any decision on this to represent the will of the members here.
If you forbid the unlimited/unmetered deals, you will have to figure out a way to also sort out deals with only legitimate storage space, as there will be ofers with 100TB disk space for example, just to bypass the written rule on theory. And another question would be how this would be sorted out and how would you judge if it's legitimate or not. Someone might offer 500GB of disk space for 7$, similar to VPS offers, while it seems possible, we all know that noone is going to allow 500GB shared hosting account, right?
Just allow unlimited/unmetered deals and make sure the people post what's allowed ot be hosted and what is not. Anything other than this would end up with providers trying to bypass the rules
Personally I'm actually alright with that. I'm actually alright with unlimited, but people here are largely against it so I think the rules should probably reflect that. I don't think people will have a problem with large space being presented, if it is at least a number. It will satisfy their requirement that a number be given, and I'm sure a few people here will enjoy causing the providers grief (which I don't like, but it is what it is).
Meanwhile I've got my unlimited DreamHost account and it's still a perfectly viable business model and no one is really complaining about it, to the anger of everyone who is so morally opposed to the word "unlimited" :P
atleast allow 1 thread/60 days /provider to post the shared hosting. I see increment of treads asking for shared.
Well, was just my 2 cents, either unlimited or 999,999MB disk space, still same thing. If it makes the people happy to see a number, sure, can't argue with that. But it should at least be stated what's allowed and what not. Cause as you said, sooner or later, someone will complain of X provider, who deleted his personal library of 1TB HD porn movies from his shared hosting account. And the war will begin - on the left side the people complaining how can someone advertise something as unmetered/10000GB and not deliver and on the other side the others explaining how abusive the user was.
Let's work it out via the time-honored decision-making method of cream corn wrestling.
Everyone who wants shared hosting and is a hot female on one side, and everyone who doesn't want shared hosting and is a hot female on the other side. I will sound a whistle at which point both sides will charge the vat and wrestle until victory is determined.
Even if victory is not determined, we'll put it on YouTube so the whole Internet wins.
BTW, I have quite literally seen decisions made in this manner. Cream corn wrestling was popular in upper Michigan in the 80s...though the 'hot female' part was subjectively proportionate to the amount of alcohol consumed.
I think it is a good idea.
May even draw the shared hosting community to LET!
I don't see the point in having different posting interval between shared hosting and VPS offers.
Would only make it harder for the moderators to do their work.
Different categories and both set to sink.
Set a max price and lets do it.
Does not apply IMO - here providers reply with their offers directly. In WHT doing so is forbidden.
True, and I much prefer that. Rather people be up front about what they're doing.
Giving something different to what was offered is a blatant lie, be it 10GB, 1TB or "unlimited". I don't care about overselling, as long as you can use all the space advertised!
What do hosts get out of offering unlimited, it must make planning for expansion and backups absolute hell...
Ask DreamHost, been doing it for years and customers are as happy as could be.
Consumers like the idea that they are not limited even if they won't use all of the resources advertised on a limited plan with an unlimited plan.
Also, unlimited hosts usually use SAN instead of local storage so that it can be expanded easily without the need to take the physical hypervisor offline.
Just a shame googling for "Dreamhost review" goes to a bunch of affiliate sites, at least they are honest about it!
https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/2006/05/04/web-hostings-dirty-laundry/
Last time I couldn't upload my 1TB of HTML files to hostgator, so much for unlimited!
I know in the real world there is no way anyone would upload this much, but putting unlimited everything into adverts makes it seem like the customer can upload anything related to their website, such as all their holiday and family videos, when in fact they hit some silly TOS or Inode limit and get their account deleted.
If every single plan is unlimited unlimited fucking unlimited how do you tell what price/package is "unlimited" enough for your website?
You're just being whiny... Unlimited plans are clearly targeted at people who are new to making their website and have no idea how much disk to use. Although realistically they will only use 5-10GB tops, because they have NO IDEA, the unlimited plans work better for them because they don't have to worry.
Its the slightly techier people that always try to push things to extremes that cause problems. If you KNOW that nothing is truly unlimited and there are other limits imposed to prevent you from abusing the service, why order it? If you're tech savvy enough to realize that unlimited plans don't actually come with truly unlimited disk/specs, you're also savvy enough to know roughly how much space your site will take up and be able to plan accordingly... I don't understand why people have to make it such a difficult concept...
Its like decaf coffee... If you need a drink without caffeine so you order decaf coffee. You're screaming about how there's actually some caffeine left in decaf coffee when its advertised as decaf... Well.. If you knew that decaf coffee has caffeine in it, don't order it... Just order a different beverage without caffeine..
The thing that people on hosting forums can't really seem to get over.... if you're obsessing over what "unlimited" means and confusing it with "infinite"....it isn't for you. It's for people who just wanna make a website and don't even know how to measure size so the limitations scare them.
The reality is that people that visit hosting forums are a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the people buying web hosting. The majority of them only know this: "I have an idea that I want on the internet." They'll go with whoever confuses them the least and offers them a nice path to getting it done.
But anyway, it's clear how people feel about it, unlimited offers won't be allowed here. The people have spoken.
unlimited seems like a stalling and pointless technicality. i.e. if you wanted to be stringent on 'guaranteed' resources, then half the VPS sellers here would be striked out due to overselling.
Aye. Seems the safest bet is just to not allow it. I can just imagine every time someone posted an offer, someone would sign up and start uploading large files until they got suspended, just so they could reply and go "See!"
Doesn't sound fun
Maybe! Sounds like a problem between the provider and client. For me, doesn't matter whether it's 1GB or Unlimited most of the time, I'm just after something reliable.
Look forward to seeing offers either way.
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1397114&p=9190486&highlight=dreamhost+1.2TB#post9190486
Yeah I was, sorry guys just something I feel strongly about.
That would also be an asshole move, especially on a small host. Only tried it on hostgator to see what their theoretical limit was (1TB).
I'm more concerned about those running legitimate websites, who then decide to upload some large files to share with friends. If these plans are targeted at people who don't know how to measure size, inodes and different file types will be even more confusing!
Totally off topic here, but interestingly hostgator TOS says that it's not allowed to "Use https protocol unless it is necessary; encrypting and decrypting communications is noticeably more CPU-intensive than unencrypted communications." O.o
I don't think allowing shared hosting offers would be a great idea since shared hosting providers are dime-a-dozen.
Also, maybe it's just the way that I work, but I'm completely uninterested in shared hosting offers since a single cPanel account does not allow me to (sufficiently) separate my different projects in a manner that I am comfortable with. This becomes a major issue as you grow the number of freelancers/contractors working for you on different small projects.
Having said all of this, I would actually appreciate reseller (normal, master, alpha) hosting offers from providers. As many others already mentioned, there'd have to be some good minimum requirements to keep summer-shared-hosts at bay.
Reseller offers would also likely be of great benefit to those LET members who either:
(1) were hosting some project(s) on a VPS and now wish to simplify their management tasks since they getting older/lazier, or
(2) those individuals who aren't quite ready for the leap to VPS but want more control or things to tinker with.
There isn't such a thing as a legitimate alpha reseller, the maths just doesn't work out.
And there are "Master Alpha" resellers, too, which really makes me laugh. It gets to be quite a pyramid.
I'm waiting for what is after that. Lord Master Alpha? Supreme High Ruler Master Alpha?
Sorry to mix myself on this discussion but as I can see you are against every rule and offer here.
First no Unlimited Hosting. Now no Master and Alphas!
Just say it from the begin that you want to post only providers that offers 15GB UK cPanel Reseller and that have free automatic SSL.
My friend, if you can't calculate the math of Alpha and Masters, there are providers that did it for years with 99% happy customers.
alpha alpha alpha alpha super master pokemon reseller of da world
Yeah i'm getting rich advertising $15 resellers in my signature, want to buy one?
Let's say you have 10 alpha reseller clients on a server, and those alpha clients each create 10 master resellers, who each create 10 reseller clients, who create 20 clients of their own.
Yeah 20,000 clients on a cPanel server and the massive chain of support from only 10 clients sound really nice!