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They might do, I have no idea what providers are actually scanning for/how they're scanning, hence the question in the first place.
And no, I'd be putting these on a backup plan, not one intended for hosting, I did say that initially. This would be in addition to having the physical media and an on-site copy.
Until recently, now that many states in the US have passed Castle Doctrine law, a burglar could invade your home, get hurt while doing it, and sue you for injury, and win. Now they enter, get shot, die, you walk free.
That happened, US is the country of all possibilities.
Here there was a big uproar when someone shot a burglar which tried to get in the house and killed him, but the law didnt convict the killer even so.
http://www.curierulnational.ro/Eveniment/2006-02-03/Verdict+in+cazul+Iovan:+legitima+aparare
It took a year and a month tho...
@Nekki just because it's legal for does not mean it is allowed on our servers or by our TOS. At the end of the day we have to deal with lawyers, not our clients. A VPS is not the place for anything that could be considered a grey area because a provider should always err on the side of caution (usually not in favor of the single client).
It depends how far the provider considers caution is a blanket that covers anything.
The end does not justify the means and doing the dirty work for the entertainment and luxury goods industry out of fear should not go to the extremes.
At the end of the day, LE will always be in need to set some examples, raid DCs and the like, even if everyone is doing their best to self-censor, there will always be pretexts and threats with ruining the businesses.
At one point in time, extra "copyright managers" and lawyers will be needed to revise customer data and analyze the files for steganography, revise backups, ask for decryption and stuff like this, but it may not be enough even so.
In the end, only the big hosting companies will afford that and the customers will flock there because they dont want to take the risk to lose data because of raids and stuff. A few bad customers will always want privacy, if they can be put off by ToS and strict interpretation of the laws, then great, everyone will benefit. Then prayers will help the provider defend against clever criminals and LE raiding the wrong rack then planting evidence to cover that up.
@KuJoe how do you monitor? Via a cron script as mentioned earlier? Can you provide some technical details, I have a few OpenVZ nodes i might need to monitor...
That's fair enough, and a completely understandable position to take from a business point of view.
Yea people in the neighborhood can smell it maybe?
The search warrant was the TOS that was agreed to that said the provider can look at the files if they want.
Can we change the thread title to "No piracy beware!"
I am not sure this is a good argument. You may have a law in town x where you bought a cheap house that local sheriff can raid you at any time to search for illegal downloads if you have a computer and internet because he knows a computer connected to the internet can do that.
That will not hold in any sane court even if you were supposed to know about the law when you moved in that town so you agreed to be searched when the sheriff pleases.
If you do not have enough money to begin an action to quash the unconstitutional law, tough luck, you will have to give up your house if you want better laws. However, unless you contest the search in which case you are a bad guy which must be evicted, you are allowed to stay.
I ♥ @KuJoe and his TOS
@Raymii it's a very basic "ps aux | grep" script run via a cron job that e-mail the results.
That will not hold in any sane court even if you were supposed to know about the law when you moved in that town so you agreed to be searched when the sheriff pleases.
If you do not have enough money to begin an action to quash the unconstitutional law, tough luck, you will have to give up your house if you want better laws. However, unless you contest the search in which case you are a bad guy which must be evicted, you are allowed to stay.
You had a choice to buy the cheap house, and a choice to buy KuJoe's product. You were presented with the terms, and if you did not agree you can take your business elsewhere.
Review the mails every day, thats basicly how my day starts ass well. Logwatch, cron and what not :P
He already did. You wouldn't want to specify filters in the script because you might miss something...
I doubt you read what you quoted, there will come a time you will have to, since all contracts will have those clauses and who doesnt, will be raided. You win.
In a nutshell you can't really make a script that'll catch everything, at best without wasting much resources you can make a script that simply notifies you of certain red flags, then investigate from there.
@KuJoe
Are you going to publish what applications are not allowed to be installed on your vps? same goes to any other vps providers who do the same thing. This would clear things up for me and anybody else who plans to use a VPS. As I would not have used your service if I knew about this beforehand and I'm sure there would be people who would prefer use a VPS without those applications anyway. (As I've read on this thread and others)
Even if you would, renaming stuff will still work, unless signatures are added and those change each version.
I think you need to contact an antivirus vendor to make a product that will ban all the undesired programs which can be used for illegal purposes or that take up resources to run.
Oh, wait...
NO I read it, under your theory every provider would end up having the same policies.
Every country would end up having the same policies.
Every state would end up having the same policies......
That isn't going to happen.
Thank god, no matter what the most of them push for, no matter the intimidations and raids, some will still respect privacy.
In theory, those that do not respect it will have lower costs due to fewer raids and lawsuits, but you will see that reviewing content according to the demands of the government will cost more and more each upgrade of the demand.
I bet the providers which dont spy will have a lower cost overall.
I hope you dont live in the dream world in which laws stop filesharing and the "losses" of a few entertainment companies, therefore the laws will be "upgraded" ad infinitum until the lobbysts run out of money or ppl force the government to respect the constitution.
@spycrab101 it's outlined in our TOS what is not allowed. We don't list specific applications because that is legal suicide (not listing an app that we never heard of would make people think it was allowed).
All I can think of this thread is, you agreed with the TOS, you broke them and now this:
A, B, C, D, or any other program that we deem abusive
For me, the @KuJoe file monitoring is a great value-added service, the kind of service I would have expected (for a fee) from a managed provider. This kind of monitoring would have avoided a issue I had on a web site I once hosted on a costly non-LEB VPS. Someone compromised the server, copied DDOS scripts and, after 15 days, started to DDOS another service. The provider blocked the IP soon after, but the last 14 daily backups were spoiled by the intruder and I had to restore the VPS from a long-term backup, wasting time and efforts. A constant file check done by the VPS provider would have catched the intrusion immediately. Another hidden gem on LET, discovered by chance reading this thread.
I find this funny, You say you didn't give your consent but you accepted the TOS/AUP etc on signup, That was your consent to this, I have had customers who agree with our Tos then break the tos then ask for a refund when there suspended, this break 2 TOS violations, The reason people/Companies have a TOS/AUP/Privacy policy is to protect them selfs, The hardware, Network, and there customers, At the end of the day this isn't illegal as you consented on agreeing with there TOS etc.
Were these 7 page really necessary for this thread?
Were these now 2-3 comments (getting close to a half page) of saying 'is this a necessary length for this thread' necessary?
Good. No, Great question.