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  • catalystiumcatalystium Member

    I wonder how many total servers they sold from this thread alone :-P.

  • vimalwarevimalware Member

    Just a general question, while renting monthly, we're effectively on a monthly contract.

    So theoretically prices could be hiked any month ? (like Incero did a while back)

    Solution would be paying for 6months to get locked in, I suppose.

  • mike0000mike0000 Member

    @vimalware said:
    Just a general question, while renting monthly, we're effectively on a monthly contract.
    So theoretically prices could be hiked any month ? (like Incero did a while back)

    Solution would be paying for 6months to get locked in, I suppose.

    I highly doubt they'd jack up the prices for existing customers, but it's definitely possible and likely in their TOS/billing agreement. Lock in if you want to be sure, but if they did a mass shift and increased everyone's pricing they'd get some nasty feedback.

  • DroidzoneDroidzone Member

    @mikeyur said:
    I highly doubt they'd jack up the prices for existing customers, but it's definitely possible and likely in their TOS/billing agreement. Lock in if you want to be sure, but if they did a mass shift and increased everyone's pricing they'd get some nasty feedback.

    Not to mention losing customers. It seems it's finally become possible to afford cheap and good dedicated servers.

  • BuyAdsBuyAds Member

    Did someone got a server shipped from them? Is that just a trick or true?

  • SadySady Member

    @BuyAds said:
    Did someone got a server shipped from them? Is that just a trick or true?

    True, Period.

    Thanked by 1msg7086
  • tomletomle Member, LIR

    Cheap $20 are back!

    Thanked by 1pieman103021
  • heyzzxheyzzx Member

    @dacentec said:
    Monday...

    @dacentec
    I canceled a 2xL5420 16GB 2X2TB Rent Only Dell, but I am not yet received a refund, I am very regret, because the re ordering IP is charged. Can LEB friends get /29 for free?

  • ChalipaChalipa Member

    all $20 servers gone again

  • FredQcFredQc Member

    @Chalipa said:
    all $20 servers gone again

  • standardlookstandardlook Member

    @dacentec Any more dates on $20 servers :)?

  • emreemre Member, LIR
    edited June 2015

    I let go a

    Supermicro 5150 8GB 2X2TB SATA Rent Only

    today.

    upgraded to x3440

    So , one more server for one of you guys :D

  • tomletomle Member, LIR

    $20 is back again!

  • dacentecdacentec Member, Host Rep

    More servers up. Prices for new orders on some servers will be raising a little after today.

  • ChalipaChalipa Member

    Just ordered. Waiting for server activation.

    Which server prices are going up btw?

  • robohostrobohost Member

    @dacentec why there is difference disk price betwen servers?for example x3440 2x2tb cost $20 for change disk option to 240gb ssd while other server will cost less or even free

    Thanked by 1vimalware
  • dacentecdacentec Member, Host Rep

    @robohost: It depends on a lot of factors. x3440 is sold out for now.

  • robohostrobohost Member

    @dacentec said:
    robohost: It depends on a lot of factors. x3440 is sold out for now.

    x3440 is just an example, my main question is why there is price difference for same disk size?

  • TheInvisibleOneTheInvisibleOne Member

    So I suppose I can have a disk inserted later on if I order one correct. Or am I wrong?

  • AutoSnipeAutoSnipe Member

    @cmsjr123
    yes, that is correct... IF the server you select can have an extra drive. In the server info page there is an Upgrade option which will do this for you (well, set the invoice and alert the support team to the need for the upgrade)

    Thanked by 1TheInvisibleOne
  • TheInvisibleOneTheInvisibleOne Member

    @AutoSnipe said:
    cmsjr123
    yes, that is correct... IF the server you select can have an extra drive. In the server info page there is an Upgrade option which will do this for you (well, set the invoice and alert the support team to the need for the upgrade)

    Thank you. Ill probably order one

  • SadySady Member

    @dacentec I'll really appreciate some deals with SSD under $40 if possible? Like with L5420 2x2TB deal having 1x 240GB SSD instead of 2x2TB SATA?

  • vimalwarevimalware Member

    @Sady said:
    dacentec I'll really appreciate some deals with SSD under $40 if possible? Like with L5420 2x2TB deal having 1x 240GB SSD instead of 2x2TB SATA?

    You could swap out one of the 2tb disks in the $20 server for 240gb ssd for extra $10 (if you only need single SSD, leaving the 2tb in the second slot intact)

    Total = 20+10 =$30

  • stallionstallion Member

    How many IPs come with (/29 of IPv4 Addresses) ??
    What is the price of IPs if I want to buy more?

  • catalystiumcatalystium Member

    @stallion said:
    How many IPs come with (/29 of IPv4 Addresses) ??
    What is the price of IPs if I want to buy more?

    https://billing.dacentec.com/hostbill/index.php?/cart/extras/

    Thanked by 1stallion
  • wychwych Member

    @stallion said:
    How many IPs come with (/29 of IPv4 Addresses) ??
    What is the price of IPs if I want to buy more?

    https://billing.dacentec.com/hostbill/index.php?/cart/extras/

    Thanked by 2catalystium stallion
  • hdpixelhdpixel Member

    @dacentec Any data center closer to the west coast? Looking glass?

  • andrewnandrewn Member

    @hdpixel: they only have 1 location.

  • SadySady Member

    @vimalware said:
    Total = 20+10 =$30

    That gets a bit expensive with L5420 server & /28 IP block --
    $30 + $10 + $10.50 -    -

  • FredQcFredQc Member
    edited June 2015

    Well, I've got an L5520 at both Dacentec and Delimiter and decided to do an Unixbench test to compare. We should get comparable results, right ? Wrong !

    HP ProLiant DL160 G6 @ Dacentec Dual L5520 72GB RAM DDR3-1066 2x240GB SSD, HP performance mode enabled, empty node, $85 /mo with all the bells and whistles.

    [root@l5520 UnixBench]# ./Run

   BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 5.1.3)

   System: localhost: GNU/Linux
   OS: GNU/Linux -- 2.6.32-042stab108.2 -- #1 SMP Tue May 12 18:07:50 MSK 2015
   Machine: x86_64 (x86_64)
   Language: en_US.utf8 (charmap="UTF-8", collate="UTF-8")
   CPU 0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 2: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 3: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 4: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 5: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 6: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 7: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 8: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 9: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 10: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 11: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.5 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 12: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 13: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 14: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 15: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.7 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   17:20:26 up 22:42,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.20; runlevel 3

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benchmark Run: Thu Jun 11 2015 17:20:26 - 17:48:42
16 CPUs in system; running 1 parallel copy of tests

Dhrystone 2 using register variables       23146704.2 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Double-Precision Whetstone                     2865.5 MWIPS (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Execl Throughput                               3343.5 lps   (29.9 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks        616685.9 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks          161661.5 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks       1412777.5 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Pipe Throughput                             1227481.9 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Pipe-based Context Switching                 160133.9 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Process Creation                               8012.5 lps   (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                   5648.9 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   3198.7 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
System Call Overhead                        1576489.2 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)

System Benchmarks Index Values               BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0   23146704.2   1983.4
Double-Precision Whetstone                       55.0       2865.5    521.0
Execl Throughput                                 43.0       3343.5    777.6
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks          3960.0     616685.9   1557.3
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks            1655.0     161661.5    976.8
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks          5800.0    1412777.5   2435.8
Pipe Throughput                               12440.0    1227481.9    986.7
Pipe-based Context Switching                   4000.0     160133.9    400.3
Process Creation                                126.0       8012.5    635.9
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                     42.4       5648.9   1332.3
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                      6.0       3198.7   5331.2
System Call Overhead                          15000.0    1576489.2   1051.0
                                                                   ========
System Benchmarks Index Score                                        1154.1

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benchmark Run: Thu Jun 11 2015 17:48:42 - 18:16:43
16 CPUs in system; running 16 parallel copies of tests

Dhrystone 2 using register variables      204963032.4 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Double-Precision Whetstone                    37493.2 MWIPS (9.9 s, 7 samples)
Execl Throughput                              35042.9 lps   (29.9 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks        419759.4 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks          112885.4 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks       1282817.2 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Pipe Throughput                            10454699.6 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Pipe-based Context Switching                1731424.2 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Process Creation                              70985.7 lps   (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                  43820.4 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   5979.2 lpm   (60.1 s, 2 samples)
System Call Overhead                        6027581.9 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)

System Benchmarks Index Values               BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0  204963032.4  17563.2
Double-Precision Whetstone                       55.0      37493.2   6816.9
Execl Throughput                                 43.0      35042.9   8149.5
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks          3960.0     419759.4   1060.0
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks            1655.0     112885.4    682.1
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks          5800.0    1282817.2   2211.8
Pipe Throughput                               12440.0   10454699.6   8404.1
Pipe-based Context Switching                   4000.0    1731424.2   4328.6
Process Creation                                126.0      70985.7   5633.8
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                     42.4      43820.4  10335.0
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                      6.0       5979.2   9965.3
System Call Overhead                          15000.0    6027581.9   4018.4
                                                                   ========
System Benchmarks Index Score                                        4751.3

    HP ProLiant BL2x220c G6 @ Delimiter Dual L5520 8GB RAM DDR3-1066 1x500GB HDD, HP performance mode enabled, empty node, $29 /mo

    root@L5520:~/UnixBench# ./Run

   BYTE UNIX Benchmarks (Version 5.1.3)

   System: L5520: GNU/Linux
   OS: GNU/Linux -- 3.2.0-4-amd64 -- #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1
   Machine: x86_64 (unknown)
   Language: en_US.utf8 (charmap="ANSI_X3.4-1968", collate="ANSI_X3.4-1968")
   CPU 0: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4532.9 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 1: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 2: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 3: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 4: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 5: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 6: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 7: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 8: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 9: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 10: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 11: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 12: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 13: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 14: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   CPU 15: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz (4533.4 bogomips)
          Hyper-Threading, x86-64, MMX, Physical Address Ext, SYSENTER/SYSEXIT, SYSCALL/SYSRET, Intel virtualization
   21:20:26 up 10 days, 19:44,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05; runlevel 2
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benchmark Run: Wed Jun 10 2015 21:20:26 - 21:48:56
16 CPUs in system; running 1 parallel copy of tests

Dhrystone 2 using register variables       26885421.1 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Double-Precision Whetstone                     3177.3 MWIPS (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Execl Throughput                               2618.8 lps   (29.8 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks        883591.0 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks          237015.4 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks       1792335.2 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Pipe Throughput                             1951390.8 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Pipe-based Context Switching                 161988.1 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Process Creation                               4181.5 lps   (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                   7755.7 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   4506.1 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
System Call Overhead                        3457073.1 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)

System Benchmarks Index Values               BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0   26885421.1   2303.8
Double-Precision Whetstone                       55.0       3177.3    577.7
Execl Throughput                                 43.0       2618.8    609.0
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks          3960.0     883591.0   2231.3
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks            1655.0     237015.4   1432.1
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks          5800.0    1792335.2   3090.2
Pipe Throughput                               12440.0    1951390.8   1568.6
Pipe-based Context Switching                   4000.0     161988.1    405.0
Process Creation                                126.0       4181.5    331.9
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                     42.4       7755.7   1829.2
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                      6.0       4506.1   7510.2
System Call Overhead                          15000.0    3457073.1   2304.7
                                                                   ========
System Benchmarks Index Score                                        1393.1

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benchmark Run: Wed Jun 10 2015 21:48:56 - 22:17:37
16 CPUs in system; running 16 parallel copies of tests

Dhrystone 2 using register variables      208531547.8 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Double-Precision Whetstone                    41083.2 MWIPS (9.9 s, 7 samples)
Execl Throughput                              34280.4 lps   (29.7 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks        606701.3 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks          170660.8 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks       1743948.5 KBps  (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Pipe Throughput                            17282811.4 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Pipe-based Context Switching                2759221.6 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)
Process Creation                              89353.8 lps   (30.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                  70584.6 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                   9463.5 lpm   (60.0 s, 2 samples)
System Call Overhead                        7031576.0 lps   (10.0 s, 7 samples)

System Benchmarks Index Values               BASELINE       RESULT    INDEX
Dhrystone 2 using register variables         116700.0  208531547.8  17869.0
Double-Precision Whetstone                       55.0      41083.2   7469.7
Execl Throughput                                 43.0      34280.4   7972.2
File Copy 1024 bufsize 2000 maxblocks          3960.0     606701.3   1532.1
File Copy 256 bufsize 500 maxblocks            1655.0     170660.8   1031.2
File Copy 4096 bufsize 8000 maxblocks          5800.0    1743948.5   3006.8
Pipe Throughput                               12440.0   17282811.4  13892.9
Pipe-based Context Switching                   4000.0    2759221.6   6898.1
Process Creation                                126.0      89353.8   7091.6
Shell Scripts (1 concurrent)                     42.4      70584.6  16647.3
Shell Scripts (8 concurrent)                      6.0       9463.5  15772.6
System Call Overhead                          15000.0    7031576.0   4687.7
                                                                   ========
System Benchmarks Index Score                                        6341.3

    With this results it looks like the L5520 @ Dacentec doesn't have HT enabled, but it is ? I have searched for comparable results on Google and Delimiter score is spot-on with ~6000 pts.
    Maybe @Dacentec and @MarkTurner can explain ? Because that's 30% difference ...

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