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Sorry, but I don't buy this.
No one was "left behind". Everyone who has a GVH VPS has the option to buy service from a billion other low end providers. Duke's going to take these customers on and raise prices to a sane level, so the practical effect for GVH customers is the same as if they'd gone somewhere else.
There's certainly nothing wrong with what Duke did, but I don't view it as particularly noble either. It's just commerce.
He's not running a charity. This is a profit seeking entity that is doing just that.
True, but there is an opportunity for those genuine customers out there to see a better service without having the pain of moving, even if it does cost a bit more. Not everyone see's moving providers as simple as perhaps you or I.
So in very short summary, @XFS_Duke bought the personal info of all those GVH client, without paying a single cent (at the cost of keeping the GVH plans running until renewal).
Am I correct?
I don't think any financial details were disclosed. It's possible he paid for them.
It's lunacy if he wasn't paid for them.
Sorry, so basically he bought (and GVH sold) the personal info of the clients to XFS.
No one said he won't pay a single cent. They said he didn't paid yet
You should all understand that selling is not giving, and this kind of deal is made on a future basis.
He will pay for them according to the signed terms; just not AT THE MOMENT
Ya, already made the correction 1 post above.
I love how people here are trying to set up everything to prevent their personal info from being leaked but yet (some!) providers are buying and selling clients' personal info like dollar store junks while giving clients a hard time not to put in their real identity....
Anyone that signed up before June/July last year need not worry about their personal data though, it's been public for a while.
May be @XFS_Duke can use that to negotiate a discount with Jon!
I'm not sure you understand what I meant with 'left behind'. Many customers did not get a fully functional VPS nor any sort of decent treatment. While the price-resource balance was way off, this is not an excuse for not taking care of your customers. So, I definitely think customers were left behind or abandoned if you will. I'm confident Duke (and his crew?) can fix that.
I know people and I get told things in confidence.
What is wrong with that? BT and EE are doing it, Three and O2 are doing it?
So, just because GVH isn't "THAT" big to be earning millions or whatever it's wrong? Because the bigger companies that are doing it - it mean's it's fine?
I was only teasing, and I do not understand what you mean by "AMS customers." I was referring to an event in November 2014 where GVH gave seven day's notice to all of its customers who were hosting adult content. They were told to leave GVH or face suspension. See:
http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/37501/wtf-greenvaluehost-pornographic-content-prohibited-starting-november-16-2014/p1
What big companies do only means those are "legal", not "right".
The parties involved with this takeover are both legal companies furthermore I'd say it's A.O.K!
Except the owner of those information were never asked nor give their permission to release their personal info to third parties.
Again, whatever you are saying is "legal", but laws are not the only definition of right or wrong.
Seriously, companies sell out all the time...
When stuff hits the fan, and you want to sell out fast, do you really think that the CEO's or whatever care?
I wish for a world where companies were living by ethics instead of just following the law. Oh, snap.....
Again, like what I have said twice (and I'll repeat myself over again), what they are doing is legal but not right.
Most of the company has privacy policies that states they will not sell your personal info to third party etc, so they can't just sell it directly, but in this particular case @XFS_Duke got around by buying the "clients" (although he has stated clearly he has no interests in keep the existing "unsustainable" plans, which are, unfortunately, majority of the clients that GVH has). As such I would say the actual item that he is interested in is not those services but the client information that he can use and try to sell his own services later on.
So is it legal to buy and sell clients? Absolutely yes! Is it right for a provider to sell client personal contact info without clients' consent? I doubt so.
This industry (or any other online-based industry) is based on trust. When I sign up with providers I trust them with my personal information and they trust me to provide the accurate and correct personal information with valid payment info. However, incidents like this probably start to indicate to me I should start signing up services using fake info just to be sure I won't have anyone calling me later on on my home phone or sending me 10 emails a day asking me if I should buy their VPS. (Not saying I will in this particular incident, but just in general).
Agreed. It is a bit idealistic and it is also a bit ironic that while a lot of us uses VPS to protect our personal info from being leaked online (VPN, ZNC, etc), it is almost inevitable that incidents like this would occur and our info would be sold out there without our consent whatsoever.
You raise an interesting point.
If someone bought GVH, Inc. (by buying all its stock) then there is no problem with the privacy policy because your data is still with GVH.
However, if someone is just buying clients...that's not the same.
The GVH privacy policy says "GreenValueHost utilizes the information you provide to us solely for the purposes of identifying your account, to provide customer support, and to collect payment for services rendered. We will not release any of your personally identifiable information to any persons or organizations other than law enforcement agencies or third parties whom provide services on our behalf (such as our credit/debit card processor). "
So this transaction would violate that. However...that privacy policy is likely just marketing fluff.
It's not referenced in the TOS (which is what you both agree to when signing up). If the TOS referenced the privacy policy then that would be a different matter but GVH's TOS doesn't.
Long story short - you signed an agreement that is governed by the TOS. The TOS doesn't say anything about privacy. Unless the US has some data privacy law that covers this, you have no protection because the agreement governing your service has none and that's what you signed.
Duke is going to treat your information with the upmost security and privacy, if you trusted Jonny with your info, you should definetley trust Duke and XFuse.
I wouldn't have spent the time building a company and paying all the fee's associated with it if I wanted to scam people or anything like that. I'll leave that to the summer hosts or the hosts with no LLC or incorporation.
I am not a GVH customer or one of the persons that donate to XFS_Duke so I have no stake here, but I have been following this topic. Yeah I love the drama, specially when I am on the gym and need to take my eye out of that fit girl... (ya know, I can only look so many times until everyone knows I am a perv, meh).
Personally, It´s great to know that someone, in this case XFS_Duke was able to get out of a difficult financial situation, although, if it was me, I would have returned the money to who helped me with a "thank you for helping, everything is fine now" before investing in anything else. It just doesn't feel right.
I totally understand that he bizz money is not supposed to be the bizz owner money, but let´s not kid our self's, it is. The bizz can loan money to the owners, employees and even the janitor dog if the bizz owner decides to. And who is more trustworthy to loan money to than yourself?.. right?
Moving on.
GVH was garbage, although I "loved" the fact GVH was able to capitalize over all the drama, that made me feel Jonny boy was not the dumb guy everyone made him out to be... on the other hand it seems he is loosing his biz... so maybe he is.
Buying people peronal info (and even financial details) is alwys sketchy, it can be legal, but still sketchy. From the point of view of the customer, someone bought his details, just like that...
Someone said "if you trusted your details to GVH... bla blah" in a reference that GVH is a devil so you should not care if XFS_Duke haves them... because he is an angel. Well, it doesn't matter if GVH is the devil on earth, GVH customer made the decition to trust their details to GVH, and not to XFS. Moreover, allot if not most never heard of XFS so they dont know if it´s better or even worse than GVH...
But what I feel XFS_Duke could do better is to let everyone know what will change in their plans before hand. And by that I mean now. XFS_Duke already know what plans he will discontinue, and what he will offer to those ex-GVH customers, so delaying to give that information smells like a tactic to give the ex-GVH customers less time to decide what they want to do when the renewal come up, and prepare in advance.
Just 2 cents, from someone that was never a GVH customer.
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Wow. that was really well-written. I couldn't agree more to be honest.
cant wait till the shit hits the fan.. there is no way the expectations of the GVH customers will be met by duke.
Plans will be kept the same until renewal, if the client can't come to some sort of compromise with Duke to change the plan then they'll need to find another host, it's as easy as that.
They can complain on any forum they like, this won't change the fact that the current plans are unsustainable, stupid and severely under priced.. All at Jon's doing.
It's obvious that GVH would of came to a halt at one stage with either client accounts disappearing mysteriously or GVH going under and no one hearing from them ever again..
The fact that they're moving to a reputable host should put a smile on their faces..
It's just common sense, something that childish nugget didn't have in the first place which is what landed him in this foreseen circumstance.
So basically, if I have a $50/yr 32GB RAM, 16 dedicated processor cores, 14TB SSD storage, 700TB transfer plan with 100 IPV4 addresses, from GVH, then I should go ahead and renew it for another year at $50 now so I can keep it for at least another year after Duke takes it over?
There are no plans like that as far as I'm aware. At that point, I'd refund you or give you options for a reasonable plan.
Is 512MB RAM 10SSD & some reasonable amount of BW in $5/yr reasonable ?
I've 2x those blackfridays promos, so want to make sure if i would still have that or i should start to look for a new one ?