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Deploy high quality NVMe VMs in 14 global locations, with consistent performance - EU/US/APAC

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  • bdlbdl Member

    @default said:

    @hosthatch said:

    @pxmeteor said:
    HK $15 per year is out of stock. Please replenish the stock.

    They won't be coming back sadly, even on Black Friday (at least not for the same price). Other locations will soon go out of stock too for this plan. The IPv4 prices at the moment simply doesn't allow these $15/yr plans anymore.

    So... no more 15$ storage offers?

    They'll probably go to $20...

  • @default said:

    @hosthatch said:

    @pxmeteor said:
    HK $15 per year is out of stock. Please replenish the stock.

    They won't be coming back sadly, even on Black Friday (at least not for the same price). Other locations will soon go out of stock too for this plan. The IPv4 prices at the moment simply doesn't allow these $15/yr plans anymore.

    So... no more 15$ storage offers?

    They'll probably go to $20...

    Thanked by 2bdl TimboJones
  • @hosthatch said:

    > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > 1 GB RAM
    > 1 TB usable storage
    > 4 TB bandwidth
    > $35 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-1tb
    > 
    > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > 1 GB RAM
    > 2 TB disk
    > 8 TB bandwidth
    > $55 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-2tb
    > 
    > 2 CPU cores
    > 2 GB RAM
    > 10 TB storage (RAID-60)
    > 15 TB bandwidth
    > $180 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-10tb
    > 

    As promised, a small amount of these is available.

    The setup time is 3 working days.

    @hosthatch Hello, I have got one of 10t storage server,are the 2 CPU cores both dedicated?

  • @shunglay you probably have at most 50% of one core dedicated.

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited August 2021

    @shunglay said: are the 2 CPU cores both dedicated?

    As far as I know, there's no dedicated CPU on storage servers, it's just a "fair use" policy. They're not designed for heavy compute use cases.

    If you need a lot of CPU power, you can get both a storage VPS and a NVMe VPS, and mount the storage on the NVMe VPS using whichever technology you like (NFS, iSCSI, etc). I'm using NFS and it works great for this use case.

    Note that since their internal network is NOT private (that is, not isolated per customer) , you should use encryption+authentication even over the internal network, as there's potential vulnerabilities otherwise, such as interception/sniffing via ARP spoofing.

    I run Wireguard over the internal network, which handles both encryption and authentication (verifying that the nodes are who they say they are via public key cryptography)

    I've got a tutorial here: https://d.sb/2020/12/nfs-howto

  • bdlbdl Member
    edited August 2021

    @Daniel15 said:
    I've got a tutorial here: https://d.sb/2020/12/nfs-howto

    Thanks for this, never even considered Wireguard for this use case. Much less complicated to setup than what I have been using previously!

  • @Daniel15 said:

    As far as I know, there's no dedicated CPU on storage servers, it's just a "fair use" policy. They're not designed for heavy compute use cases.

    If you need a lot of CPU power, you can get both a storage VPS and a NVMe VPS, and mount the storage on the NVMe VPS using whichever technology you like (NFS, iSCSI, etc). I'm using NFS and it works great for this use case.

    Note that since their internal network is NOT private (that is, not isolated per customer) , you should use encryption+authentication even over the internal network, as there's potential vulnerabilities otherwise, such as interception/sniffing via ARP spoofing.

    I run Wireguard over the internal network, which handles both encryption and authentication (verifying that the nodes are who they say they are via public key cryptography)

    I've got a tutorial here: https://d.sb/2020/12/nfs-howto

    Oh, thank you~ It's a good solutions. I have got nvme vps too, I can try it.

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited August 2021

    @bdl said:

    @Daniel15 said:
    I've got a tutorial here: https://d.sb/2020/12/nfs-howto

    Thanks for this, never even considered Wireguard for this use case. Much less complicated to setup than what I have been using previously!

    At work we use Kerberos with NFS, but there's an entire team whose only job is to maintain the corporate network. It's way too much setup for a simple use case like this. Kerberos is overkill for communicating between two servers with a small number of user accounts, in the same way that Active Directory is overkill for authentication on your home PCs (unless you have some sort of large fancy home lab).

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  • @Daniel15 said:
    At work we use Kerberos with NFS, but there's an entire team whose only job is to maintain the corporate network. It's way too much setup for a simple use case like this. Kerberos is overkill for communicating between two servers with a small number of user accounts, in the same way that Active Directory is overkill for authentication on your home PCs (unless you have some sort of large fancy home lab).

    I don't understand why, after so many years of use and development, NFS still doesn't have built-in encryption without requiring Kerberos.

    While so many of the other core Linux tools use encryption -- or at least make it easy to enable -- NFS is like something from the dark ages. It's specifically intended to share data between servers, it's super stable, and yet it isn't suited for use on the public Internet. Really a shame, because it's quite easy to set up and use.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited August 2021

    @aj_potc said: NFS is like something from the dark ages

    What about the blind and direct user ID mapping by number, was that not enough to hint at the above? :)

    I find CIFS (Samba) to be more palatable than NFS in some aspects, not to mention easier cross-platform compatibility (even though Windows can have NFS enabled). And now Samsung is working on an in-kernel Samba server, when that's ready, the performance will benefit as well: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Samsung-KSMBD-v7

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @bdl said:

    @default said:

    @hosthatch said:

    @pxmeteor said:
    HK $15 per year is out of stock. Please replenish the stock.

    They won't be coming back sadly, even on Black Friday (at least not for the same price). Other locations will soon go out of stock too for this plan. The IPv4 prices at the moment simply doesn't allow these $15/yr plans anymore.

    So... no more 15$ storage offers?

    They'll probably go to $20...

    Likely yes, that is how much the IP pricing has gone up...I guess we'll try to add in a bit more storage to add some more value to the plan

    Thanked by 3webcraft bdl Lurkrazy
  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited August 2021

    @hosthatch said:

    @bdl said:

    @default said:

    @hosthatch said:

    @pxmeteor said:
    HK $15 per year is out of stock. Please replenish the stock.

    They won't be coming back sadly, even on Black Friday (at least not for the same price). Other locations will soon go out of stock too for this plan. The IPv4 prices at the moment simply doesn't allow these $15/yr plans anymore.

    So... no more 15$ storage offers?

    They'll probably go to $20...

    Likely yes, that is how much the IP pricing has gone up...I guess we'll try to add in a bit more storage to add some more value to the plan

    Why not remove IPv4 entirely, add /48 IPv6 only with private IPv4 (for people to transfer data between servers unmetered), and possibly put some cheap add-on of $1/year NAT for internet access. In the end, many people just want storage.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • LurkrazyLurkrazy Member
    edited August 2021

    @hosthatch said:

    > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > 1 GB RAM
    > 1 TB usable storage
    > 4 TB bandwidth
    > $35 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-1tb
    > 
    > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > 1 GB RAM
    > 2 TB disk
    > 8 TB bandwidth
    > $55 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-2tb
    > 
    > 2 CPU cores
    > 2 GB RAM
    > 10 TB storage (RAID-60)
    > 15 TB bandwidth
    > $180 per year
    > Pay for two years - get doubled RAM and bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/storlax-10tb
    > 

    As promised, a small amount of these is available.

    The setup time is 3 working days.

    As for 10 TB storage, the default bandwidth is 15TB, and I pay for the additional 10TB bandwidth option, so I can have 25TB bandwidth. If I pay for two years, bandwidth will be doubled, so I can have 25*2=50TB bandwidth, right?

    Will the additional 10TB be doubled too?

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @Daniel15 said:

    @shunglay said: are the 2 CPU cores both dedicated?

    As far as I know, there's no dedicated CPU on storage servers, it's just a "fair use" policy. They're not designed for heavy compute use cases.

    I want to know what percentage can I use without risk suspension?
    Writing 5MB/s via SFTP is causing 15% CPU usage, sometimes lasting hours.
    If this percentage would ruffle any feathers, I can throttle it to a lower speed.


    @default said:
    Why not remove IPv4 entirely, add /48 IPv6 only with private IPv4 (for people to transfer data between servers unmetered), and possibly put some cheap add-on of $1/year NAT for internet access. In the end, many people just want storage.

    For storage servers, I'd prefer both /64 IPv6 and IPv4-NAT included in base price.

    I see no benefit for larger than /64 on a storage server.
    IPv4-NAT is useful because IPv4 and IPv6 routing are different and one may work better than the other.

    Transfers using IPv6 addresses at the same location shall be configured as unmetered too.
    Switching to private IPv4 for local transfer would increase setup complexity.

  • @hosthatch what ranges would have ZRH and could I choose the IP?
    can i have a test IP and LG?

  • @rm_ said:
    What about the blind and direct user ID mapping by number, was that not enough to hint at the above? :)

    Yeah, that's surely thrown me for a loop in the past.

    I haven't seriously looked at Samba outside of situations where Windows is involved, and that was a very long time ago. Perhaps it's worth another look.

    Another very easy option is SSHFS/Fuse, but since that runs in user space, it's not always compatible with every application.

  • webcraftwebcraft Member
    edited August 2021

    @kalipus said:
    @hosthatch what ranges would have ZRH and could I choose the IP?
    can i have a test IP and LG?

    IP is auto assigned, no choosing (I can't recall any mass provider who allows choosing the exact IP address).
    LG: lg.zrh.hosthatch.com (45.91.92.92)

    You can train your reading skills at this site and find the required information yourself: https://hosthatch.com/features#datacenters

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  • @hosthatch I ordered a bundle, are those requests getting any attention? I know it takes 3 days to set up VMs, but some sort of confirmation of the order would be nice in the meantime.

  • @aj_potc said: I don't understand why, after so many years of use and development, NFS still doesn't have built-in encryption without requiring Kerberos.

    There's an RFC draft for it, originally published in March 2019 and most recently updated in November 2020. Hopefully that'll be approved and implemented one day: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpc-tls

    @rm_ said: I find CIFS (Samba) to be more palatable than NFS in some aspects, not to mention easier cross-platform compatibility

    I remember Samba being really insecure, but that was maybe 15 years ago, so it's probably better now. When I get a chance I'll benchmark it vs NFS. For my use case I only needed to share from the storage VPS to the NVMe VPS, so Windows compatibility didn't matter.

    (even though Windows can have NFS enabled).

    For some strange reason, Windows only has an NFSv3 client, even though Windows Server has an NFSv4 server. huh.

    And now Samsung is working on an in-kernel Samba server, when that's ready, the performance will benefit as well:

    Wow, I didn't know about that! I wonder why Samsung are working on it.

    @default said: Why not remove IPv4 entirely, add /48 IPv6 only with private IPv4

    In theory, you can use an IPv6 unique local address for the private network... No need to use IPv4. However, Hosthatch don't support this :( Maybe it'll be doable once they move over to a VLAN per customer (an isolated private network, rather than an internal network shared with all customers in the same DC)

  • vip3r09vip3r09 Member
    edited August 2021
    1x 2.4+ GHz
    512 MB RAM
    250 GB disk
    1 TB bandwidth
    $15 per year
    Pay for two years (+$7) - get doubled RAM and +9 TB free bandwidth
    https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/chi-250g-storage
    

    @hosthatch Do you have this plan still available?

  • @vip3r09 said:

    > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > 512 MB RAM
    > 250 GB disk
    > 1 TB bandwidth
    > $15 per year
    > Pay for two years (+$7) - get doubled RAM and +9 TB free bandwidth
    > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/chi-250g-storage
    > 

    @hosthatch Do you have this plan still available?

    Yes. Ordering is possible.

  • vip3r09vip3r09 Member
    edited August 2021
    > > 1x 2.4+ GHz
    > > 512 MB RAM
    > > 250 GB disk
    > > 1 TB bandwidth
    > > $15 per year
    > > Pay for two years (+$7) - get doubled RAM and +9 TB free bandwidth
    > > https://manage.hosthatch.com/billing/order/chi-250g-storage
    > > 

    @hosthatch Do you have this plan still available?

    Yes. Ordering is possible.

    Cheers,

    Put an order in tonight. Will be good for my backup’s

  • @Daniel15 said:
    I remember Samba being really insecure, but that was maybe 15 years ago, so it's probably better now.

    Starting 2017, when Microsoft started killing samba V1 with fire.

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  • Is there no one who can handle the ticket? No reply in the past few weeks

  • How to check and use the double resources without reinstalling the OS?

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @fancams said:
    Is there no one who can handle the ticket? No reply in the past few weeks

    Do you have a ticket #? We get a bunch of tickets every time we post such a promotion, asking for some sort of strange customization, additional discounts, or faster setup, we don't offer any of these things usually.

    @pavan said:
    How to check and use the double resources without reinstalling the OS?

    You can also hard reboot your server, and then resize the disk manually - easier to reinstall since it's a new server with nothing on it.

    Thanked by 1pavan
  • Do you check Tickets every few days? Is there too much that keeps you too busy?

  • @nextxyt said:
    Do you check Tickets every few days? Is there too much that keeps you too busy?

    Welcome to lowendtikets.. We've doubled your bandwidth..

  • @nextxyt said:
    Do you check Tickets every few days? Is there too much that keeps you too busy?

    Yeah, there are a bunch of people asking for additional discounts, variations on the special offer, or how to do basic things.

  • Ticket handling is a weakness, unfortunately. It seems to be hit-and-miss.

    I've got a couple that have been open for a long time (one month+). One was involving a reproduceable network issue that HostHatch never acknowledged in the ticket -- maybe because they didn't have a solution, but still, it deserves a reply. And the other is something that they could resolve in a couple of minutes, but for some reason haven't handled.

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