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haha, sorry but that was meant towards a typo in the first answer which said voltility instead of volatility. I think meanwhile it has been corrected.
there were a few more things though... felt a bit like you were in a hurry ;-)
Price is too high. I will never buy again IP Adresses on hetzner.
Now whenever I'm reading the profile name Hetzner_OL in this thread my mind automatically prefixes a "L" and its becoming Hetzner_LOL - as if Hetzner is laughing at me who is gonna pay whopping $19 per IP setup fee plus monthly !
If you living in the countryside and want faster internet than dsl 16/1 mbps (on paper, good luck actually getting that when in reality is 6-8 in average) you can try Telekom vdsl or so which is often only available as a 'regio' plan. However 'regio' only got ipv4. They basically rent the line of a provider that can offer faster internet. Furthermore they say it's technically impossible to provide ipv6 (they claim this for every regio wherever you are) due to the provider offering the service to telekom. That company renting out to telekom in my place is ewetel (they do not provide ipv6 btw
What's more interesting. If you happen to only be provided with ds lite (cgnat ipv4, native ipv6) you have the right to get a native ipv4 as to some resolution of the EU if the provider won't deliver after a set date they can be fined and you can pay less. Whatsoever I haven't heard of anyone trying to get a ipv6 through the same process but that is totally possible (legally speaking).
Cool. @Hetzner_OL is saying the same thing over and over again: be prepared for even higher prices. And I think that would be pretty soon. Be prepared to pay 10 EUR per IP monthly with a setup fee of 95 EUR per IP next year!
Not to bash Hetzner. They are great. But reality is, price is going skyhigh.
I agree that the use of IPv6 should be encouraged but I also think that the increase in prices (especially the installation costs) it will make things difficult for many people and companies who resell/have colocation from Hetzner, I'm not sure it's the best move to incentivize its use, this will create problems for many people.
I'm not afraid to say that i cant affort the IP pricing of Hetzner anymore. The only thing i can use Hetzner in the future for are projects which are planned to stay alive for atleast 24+ months. Every other project (which needs a decent amount of IPs) cant be realized with them anymore.
If you just need 1 IPv4 and good servers - nothing changed. If you either need a good IPv6 landscape or a lot IPv4's, Hetzner left the game.
I wonder if reassigning IPs for customers was ever considered to increase usable IP space? I'm not saying that an increase in price isn't justified, but it seems that possibly reassigning and a smaller increase in price may have less of a bad reaction.
I actually agree with that their failover IP s are not movable between servers I mean you can routed to another server for failover purposes but you cannot truly move them to be attached to another server you command them to from the server you order them for
@Hetzner_OL I really hope you tell people up failover IP to be make true failover like OVH or Online.net one detached from the exact server they are initially ordered for
P.S the only good thing (as we pass cost to customers ) We will no longer say that IP is 4.20 a month and customers to think boss was a stoner and that is how he figured out that price ...
Did they legalize drugs in Germany and Hetzner is using them? That's the only explanation I can give for the setup fees...
You sure it's not you on drugs given you can't read?
If the ip prices on the market are 40 / 50 dollar a piece 2 euro in the month + 20 euro setup is not that high.
Agreed. It's just very sudden, the adding of the setup at these levels, but you are right, at the end of the day, it's basic economics and supply and demand.
it is pretty high when you realize they'll own these ip's for 5+ years & can always sell them later at an appreciating price.
That is only when you are assuming that the asset won't actually depreciate due to becoming obsolete; Not everyone is willing to take this risk.
sure but even so at $2 a month they'll have them paid off in 25 months (at $50 an ip) and ipv4 isn't going anywhere within the next 5 years.
You are incorrectly assuming whole subnet to be fully and continuously utilised for the period of 25 months, and prices not rising.
Some need to realise that running a business is very different from sitting on the sideline throwing out opinions without ever having run a business themselves.
And you need to realize that many have successful businesses but think outside the box and find ways to suggest opinions about current affairs regarding said businesses.
ok so lets say they use half of the ips, at $2 a month they'll have them paid off in 50 months, which ipv4 will surely still be around.
besides the point, hetzners usp is pricing.
50 months is a very long ROI.
Sure it will be around in 5 years, but will the prices still be going in that direction, or will there be more adoption of v6, with more supply of v4 available for sale pushing prices, and the value of their freshly purchased assed down?
Also, fronting these high amounts requires either financing or diverting money from other things one could spend it on, therefore is simply not free and perhaps they calculated that the loss of some IP hungry Customers unwilling to pay their asking price is simply less than that cost + calculated risk.
I agree Hetzner USP is pricing, I agree it’s probably not the best idea, but - it’s the reality they see and the decision they felt they had to/chose to make. Not something to bash them for. We live in capitalism. You have the privilege of having plenty of choice from diverse competing providers. Vote with your wallet.
Exactly this. Don't like it find another provider. Really not hard (Well I guess it is for those that won't spend enough). Hetzner is not going to fall, just as cPanel didn't nor did WHMCS.
For now.
Francisco
Thing is, there isn't plenty of choice that provide the same hardware at that price. I would not know a single one competing their AX range which doesn't lack either RAM or the second disk or traffic etc.
Even with the price hike on IPs it won't be that easy to find anything comparable cheaper. Maybe OVH is even the only competitor left and their dedi pricing isn't always cheap, only IPs are. For now.
PS: and because of that lack of alternatives people are pissed, because they realize they have to tank it or go woth another provider that's more likely not even cheaper.
And that's why they can't absorb it anymore. One way to look at it is that this only hits those that need the addresses, not everyone else. The people that don't need extra IP's, or their apps and use SRV/etc? They aren't paying a dime extra.
The other option would be they hit everyone with a large price hike, and I'm sure the screaming would be 10x worse.
Is it known if Hetzner has outside investors (VC style) or are they fully self funded?
OVH has a lot of VC, but they'll have stock holders to answer to soon.
There's a good handful of us that have been yelling that providers need to get their asses moving to protect themselves from this happening. I'm a good few years late, but it's still going like I expected.
Francisco
So the only provider that offers nearly cheap boxes as hetzner is OVH and Online.net in EU region?
They are fully self funded, no VCs involved, and they are doing good if you check their reportings from the last years.
Not really followed Hetzner financials in a while but Martin Hetzner was always fiercely protective of the company and wanted to keep it private, avoiding VC involvement, he knew what that meant and didn't want it.
That's awesome.
Just adds to it though, they dont have unlimited cash to do whatever.
Francisco
No matter how much you guys justify it, over 6000 € just to setup a rented /24 (which is also a seperate fee of over 600€/m) is pure madness. If they did not use drugs when making this kind of decision, it must had been a malicious attempt to ruin the company image by some middle management dude who came up with the idea.
(the above prices are in VAT 24%)
Nobody else has even quarter of these setup fees. You can't find more expensive provider in the entire world when it comes to rented subnet prices right now.
But as said, this is capitalism. The seller will set the prices, but other sellers will also use this chance to win over most of their customers that require subnet(s). These providers will also increase IP prices, but I dare to guarantee that nobody will set such ludicrous setup fees and in addition double their IP renting prices at one go. If you find such provider that follows Hetzner with equally outrageous prices, quote me here. You guys have 3 years. If such a thing happens before 1.8.2024 I will fucking eat my shoe and livestream it.