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Cloudflare just launched the world's first no-markup domain registrar,

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  • mfsmfs Banned, Member

    I'll just put it here as well https://www.orsn.org/en/tech/

  • EasedEased Member, Host Rep

    Hopefully they come out with reseller modules.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    mfs said: I'll just put it here as well

    Oh and this for that matter. https://notabug.org/themusicgod1/cloudflare-tor

  • HarambeHarambe Member, Host Rep
  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    Nobody trusts this. They are still looking to centralize too much of the Internet for that to be a healthy situation.

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  • smilesmile Member
    edited September 2018

    skim this thread but anyone donate in wave 1? I didn't donate however they claim a spot email imply an even quicker access.

    Wave 1 is early october

  • hostdarehostdare Member, Patron Provider
    edited September 2018

    smile said: skim this thread but anyone donate in wave 1? I didn't donate however they claim a spot email imply an even quicker access.

    I did donate late and my access is mid november( wave 4)

  • What is the catch with "no markup"? Can someone briefly tell?

  • mfsmfs Banned, Member

    DreamCaster said: What is the catch

    coding girls get tipped to hell and back while the botnet CF strengthen itself and its role; they make people more and more dependent on them, they have more chances (actually, huge chances) to gather personal and financial data from people who only used their "free tier" services and possibly all this eventually enables them to offer premium all-in-one packages and whatnot (freemium business model)

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  • @DreamCaster "no such thing as a free lunch" pretty much covers it, it's not free to be a registrar and there's bureaucracy and administration on top.

    FWIW Namebright has always done "at cost" pricing for gTLDs so Cloudflare are not "the world's first"

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  • JanevskiJanevski Member
    edited September 2018

    @DreamCaster said:
    What is the catch with "no markup"? Can someone briefly tell?

    Their web gui is going to be plain text only and won't contain any hyper text markup language.

    They won't take a cut out of the domain price the user pays, allegedly.

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  • EasedEased Member, Host Rep

    @plueschopath and @mfs

    @plueschopath said:
    The botnet is still growing...

    Not to defend CF, but what exactly are you talking about? I am curious.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2018

    @LTniger said:
    Does anyone donated for those "coding grils"?

    I certainly did not and will not. What's between ones legs simply is irrelevant in the context of software development.

    What I would support though were a "quality developers only" initiative but I don't hold my breath.

    As for Cloud$"%§&'s new registrar ambitions: Not me. What's their argument? From what I see it comes down to "Hand us over even more power and control and in return save 1$ when getting a domain".

    Maybe I'm cynical here but I'm waiting for the day when people actually PAY for giving the internet master corporations even more power. I guess my wait won't be long.

  • mfs said: coding girls get tipped to hell and back while the botnet CF strengthen itself and its role; they make people more and more dependent on them, they have more chances (actually, huge chances) to gather personal and financial data from people who only used their "free tier" services and possibly all this eventually enables them to offer premium all-in-one packages and whatnot (freemium business model)

    Oh now I see it. Thanks all for the clarification.

  • @mfs said:

    rm_ said: So instead of the registrar markup you now pay "voluntary" donations to even sign up. Kinda nauseating tbh.

    Rather than paying cisgendered white western males whom already made it into the tech industry thanks to meritocracy, you're now forced to figuratively pay donations in order to promote and free oppressed girls in western countries, correct. It seems that there are no other good causes, recently.

    I've already seen some US-based notorious free and open source project slowly pulling out from the context of "meritocracy" – since, it seems, it's the new n-word in the era of contemporary feminism.

    I've mixed feelings about this as I've said, I don't want to disrespect anyone but while I'm (still) free to ignore some fundamentalism coming from MENA, I'm not sure I'll be able to ignore fundam affirmative actions coming from the land of the free for too long

    "Forced"

    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep
    edited September 2018

    Yay! So now when CloudFlare goes offline again it'll take out 75% of the internet instead of 50%. :lol:

  • The next big thing to be a domain registrat the Apple also as they can! LOLZ

  • LeviLevi Member
    edited September 2018

    jsg said: What's their argument?

    The main goal for CF in this matter is to eliminate middle man between the domain and their customer. I believe only 6 from 10 clients finishes CF DNS setup after signup due to "complicated" setup. When you register your domain directly with CF, they integrate their services without any further actions.

    So, domain registration services is merely an add-on for the main service - CDN. Smart move and they will not stop here. CF has the money, enough IQ and PR power to pull this proper and f*ck all those others, who try to directly profit from domains.

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  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    Wave 1, wtf?!

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  • netomx said: Wave 1, wtf?!

    It seems you have donated for those girls who code. Rascal.

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  • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Host Rep

    Wave 1 here. If you have more domains in your cloudflare account it also pushes you further up in the list

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  • simbasimba Member
    edited September 2018

    Can't see the prices without giving them your contact info? Great lead generation trick.

    Sign-ups are placed in "waves" of invitations? Great gimmick to create mystery and hype.

    Can only use the service if you allow them to act as a gateway between your website and your visitors? Downright evil.

    Cloudflare is a terrifying organization. They want to control the entire Internet, which is contrary to the design of the network itself. It's refreshing to see others share this concern.

    Namesilo has roughly the same prices without any of the evil packaged in.

  • @karatekidmonkey said:
    Funny how they claim no markup but Porkbun is cheaper than them for .net (and several other registrars are cheaper than them for .info and .org).

    Where's the price listed on that page? I've looked everywhere and still can't find it! :)

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran
    edited September 2018

    @KuJoe said:
    Yay! So now when CloudFlare goes offline again it'll take out 75% of the internet instead of 50%. :lol:

    Well, I argue with people every time, why the fuck they need a local storage cloud full with porn.
    They always lought back and tell me, I just go to and stream it.

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  • DanSummer said: Where's the price listed on that page? I've looked everywhere and still can't find it!

    It's in the Cloudflare Blog: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-registrar/

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  • How about domain privacy protection? :worried:

  • Awmusic12635Awmusic12635 Member, Host Rep

    sleepy said: How about domain privacy protection?

    included

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  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @LTniger said:

    jsg said: What's their argument?

    The main goal for CF in this matter is to eliminate middle man between the domain and their customer. I believe only 6 from 10 clients finishes CF DNS setup after signup due to "complicated" setup. When you register your domain directly with CF, they integrate their services without any further actions.

    So, domain registration services is merely an add-on for the main service - CDN. Smart move and they will not stop here. CF has the money, enough IQ and PR power to pull this proper and f*ck all those others, who try to directly profit from domains.

    I guess you are right but my point wasn't their reasons but rather the argument for us (potential customers, customers, general, technical).

    And from our perspective, well, mine anyway, they are just another middle man between the domain and ourselves.

    Also note that they themselves chose to make "no markup" (~"cheap") their big sales point.

  • @jsg said:
    And from our perspective, well, mine anyway, they are just another middle man between the domain and ourselves.

    Much like Google, Microsoft, and Apple middleman services, it's a way to insert themselves between you and your data. They're not doing this because they're nice.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited September 2018

    @CyberMonday said:

    @jsg said:
    And from our perspective, well, mine anyway, they are just another middle man between the domain and ourselves.

    Much like Google, Microsoft, and Apple middleman services, it's a way to insert themselves between you and your data. They're not doing this because they're nice.

    Actually it's even worse.

    Reason: The large mega-corporations have many other sources of income. Just think about Google closing (or making very unattractive) even major services because they feel like it.

    Most registrars though have no or only a few related sources of income (like say selling SSL certs for the domains too). So they NEED to offer something to their customers.

    Plus, for them Cloud$"%§'s entry into the arena means that they must provide reasons for us to stick with/go to them especially if they can't afford to sell without at least a small profit. So I guess we will see porkbun, internetbs and others coming up with better service, better support, better panels or something.

    I for one will stick with my registrar and will avoid Cloud%§$"& even if that means I'll have to pay a little more.

    Btw. we might want to consider that extra $ to be a very small price for some freedom.

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