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Incero & SpeedyKVM throws the ban hammer at ALL LET members.
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Seems like they want to get rid of the customers who used their LET coupon code, which is not making much profit for speedykvm. When i used to have server with them when they just started off, for every ticket i create their reply comes with a side message like they are not a cheap host where i should belong to and had to drop them when this continued 3-4 times later, having learned that i wont be treated nice as i signed up for one of their nicest deal at that time, a deal which were not much profit to them.
You are a LET member, are you not? This new entry in their ToS would also apply to you?
What I presume Anthony is doing is showing how stupid their ToS update is. I'm sure they'll reword it once they realise the general reaction here (not just Anthony's) - and then all is back to normal.
$1 says they don't.
No, we do not offer any service that runs @ Incero. MXroute.io runs on Clouvider where we only sell MailChannels.
Edit: sorry @jackb, misunderstood. This wouldn't apply to MXroute.io.
Agreed with that, I just don't think it's right to impact the Providers that use Incero.
Anyway, done here. Stated my opinion, and I and @AnthonySmith disagree, which is fine, different point of views, completely acceptable on a community.
In gisAdik, g for gordon,, is that the reason? :P
For a while, I simply wasn't sure how to relate the trio Gordon/Ryan/Gisadik to each other.
By the way, which one of these three is a good friend of @jarland's?
Also, is @ryanarp the same guy as @SpeedyKVM_Ryan?
Also, if accounts are never deleted, why is @SpeedyKVM_Ryan's account no longer existing?
So many questions, so little time.
Just name changes I belive which are fine.
There once was a man named Gordon,
Who some considered a moron,
Hormonal he was,
With so many flaws,
Something something WTF was Gordon thinking!?!?! something...
I'm bad at limericks...
I changed the name to @SpeedyKVM by request. Didn't think it would be a big deal, seemed to me like it would be obvious to anyone looking.
Gordon/Ryan/Gisadik are name changes? ;-)
What I have in mind at this time ...
I think its fair to block incero offers until intent is clearly declared. Right now, that new TOS clause gives them a wide range to block people, including impacting their resellers.
Some are saying "this doesn't say resellers/providers are impacted". Normally a fair assumption. This is Gordon though, and that throws all fairness out the window. He has no care for the impacts his actions cause, to direct customers and resellers. If he doesn't like you, like the way you write a support request or even the way you look at him, your gone.
Gordon is blatently saying he does not want business from LET. Anthony's decision supports that direction as the TOS is currently amended.
Probably, also if you use twitter as of 2018 you cant buy from vultr.
(Late to the party but)
Wtf? Now that's an odd thing to do to some one.
Just wondering.. what is the total member count on LET?
I don't see how this is any different from refusing customers from China. It's their choice.
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And somebody's got to wake u up....
I'm wide awake have been for a few days now.
Just wondering.. what is the total member count on LET?
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@AnthonySmith I just think whatever the decision is with Incero based providers/offers shouldn't be instant. You should give them some time to move away if that's the path they choose or make other decisions. Honestly I'd be sad to see a couple of good providers leave like impactvps (who's purely on Incero) and drserver's Dallas location be impacted by this, especially immediately. Perhaps a month or two's time for the providers to make the decisions and perform the actions?
Frankly, any providers uprooting their customers over a drama thread don't deserve my dollars. No provider who takes themselves or their customers seriously is migrating because of this knee-jerk policy (whether it's appropriate or not), it obviously doesn't impact them and is a decision made purely out of principle. Uptime and reliability are much higher value principles.
I say this as someone who, frankly, can only be hurt by it on Black Friday and that's too far in the future to be concerned. I don't need to make offer posts, I mostly feel like someone without a horse in the race for now. But as a buyer, I'd prefer stability over knee-jerk reactions.
Nobody is closing them down, just removing offers related to Incero location, the actual effect for anyone is really next to nothing. Why would they need months?
I completely agree because of the above.. it seems it's been done so if anyone reports a problem they have had with the service on LET - even if genuine, they can just close the account showing their terms - pretty scummy to be honest.
Not saying providers must migrate, but they should be given the option to consider. Migrate or not is the decision of the provider and whether or not that's a right move will be beyond me. But banning them instantly without giving them a chance doesn't seem right to me.
My personal experience with the Incero support has been terrible, but with the Incero network has always been solid. I'm not biased in any way.
Uptime and reliability are business requirements not principles. You wouldn't be giving your dollar to a company like Incero if it were for principles.
Well, you know, there is no sentiment in business and all that but I don't think its fair to say people using them have no principals.
tbh this situation is so utterly bizarre, it would be well worth everyone's while waiting for some sort of comment from them.