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US government sanctions Autistici Inventati, Italian pro-privacy email provider

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  • it's a shame that you're getting personal now and making such blatantly malicious insinuations. let's just leave it at the fact that we simply have different views.

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  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited August 28

    Yeah, you're right, that wasn't okay. I am sorry. I should choose my words more wisely.
    If you push it long enough, something will eventually break. Nevertheless, I still like you. That's just not a topic where we can find common ground.

    I'll see myself out and try to avoid it in the future. I mean the topic, not you.

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  • ANOTHER WIN FOR DEMOCRACY

  • conceptconcept Member
    edited August 28

    @forest said:

    @concept said:

    @forest said:

    Is namecrane better than disroot? I've heard namecrane has frequent issues.

    Have had no problems with both their US or NL email locations

    Seems they don't accept cryptocurrency either, so I registered with disroot. I'll have to wait up to 48 hours to get the account request approved, though.

    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto. If crypto is broken, then I would contact @Francisco

  • atklatkl Member

    @concept said:
    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto.

    I remember paying with crypto but just checked and can't see it anymore
    @Francisco, namecrane does not accept crypto any more?

  • @atkl said:

    @concept said:
    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto.

    I remember paying with crypto but just checked and can't see it anymore
    @Francisco, namecrane does not accept crypto any more?

    ahh I see, crypto payment method only shows up if you make an account and use add funds menu.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @concept said:

    @atkl said:

    @concept said:
    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto.

    I remember paying with crypto but just checked and can't see it anymore
    @Francisco, namecrane does not accept crypto any more?

    ahh I see, crypto payment method only shows up if you make an account and use add funds menu.

    Don't miss @forest

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited August 28

    @Dupondt said:
    Since they are sanctioned now (and if you care about visiting the US again in the future), the unfortunate reality is that people should to be careful about using their services and especially careful about making financial contributions. Doing so can make you ineligible for US visas, ineligible to hold bank accounts in USD (anywhere in the world) and all sorts of other headaches.

    Even if the sanction is repealed later, any support while sanctioned is normally still considered a crime.

    Just something to be aware of if you feel like supporting A/I right now and if you also later plan to visit the states. If US authorities find out, your vacation or even just a layover in the US can turn into a longer visit.

    I don't give a flying fuck about getting a visum to trumpistan or traveling there!

    Already sanction that terrorist country! (I hate their "government", not the normal people there!)

    As for mail servers: run your own! If you can't my experience with runbox (NO or SE I seem to remember) was really positive; in fact I just recently paid another 3 years in advance (they are really cheap).

  • @rpqu said:

    @concept said:

    @atkl said:

    @concept said:
    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto.

    I remember paying with crypto but just checked and can't see it anymore
    @Francisco, namecrane does not accept crypto any more?

    ahh I see, crypto payment method only shows up if you make an account and use add funds menu.

    Don't miss @forest

    +1 for @Francisco / @NameCrane if they accept Crypto.

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  • forestforest Member

    @rpqu said:

    @concept said:

    @atkl said:

    @concept said:
    That's weird because namecrane does accept crypto.

    I remember paying with crypto but just checked and can't see it anymore
    @Francisco, namecrane does not accept crypto any more?

    ahh I see, crypto payment method only shows up if you make an account and use add funds menu.

    Don't miss @forest

    Already got Riseup, most services migrated to it already. :)

  • forestforest Member

    @rpqu said: @Levi do tell me that this is gay or something

    Levi wasn't the one who was scared of anime, it was xvps.

    @hyperblast said: it turns out that “autistici” is primarily a terrorist organization that also happens to offer various online services, such as email

    Lmao what? No it's not. I mean, legally it is according to the US, but they do not even engage in activity that is illegal in the US. You don't need to commit a crime to be designated a terrorist. Their raison d'etra is to provide email services. Some antifa used it and now the US administration wants to blame their email host.

    Regarding antifa itself, they're very diverse and include both the thugs wearing all black who smash random people's cars and beat people up for exercising their right to free speech, and actual sane individuals speaking out against fascism and adjacent ideologies and violence.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said: @Levi do tell me that this is gay or something

    Levi wasn't the one who was scared of anime, it was xvps.

    I see

    @hyperblast said: it turns out that “autistici” is primarily a terrorist organization that also happens to offer various online services, such as email

    Lmao what? No it's not. I mean, legally it is according to the US, but they do not even engage in activity that is illegal in the US. You don't need to commit a crime to be designated a terrorist. Their raison d'etra is to provide email services. Some antifa used it and now the US administration wants to blame their email host.

    Regarding antifa itself, they're very diverse and include both the thugs wearing all black who smash random people's cars and beat people up for exercising their right to free speech, and actual sane individuals speaking out against fascism and adjacent ideologies and violence.

    Maybe refusal to become honeypot/request of data/metadata. That's why cock.li has a canary.
    Yeah, that's the problem.
    https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=muoR8Td44UE

  • forestforest Member

    @rpqu said: Maybe refusal to become honeypot/request of data/metadata.

    Nah, it's just the US government virtue signalling against privacy.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited August 30

    With respect, I just assumed someone like you probably self-hosted mail.

    If most of your mail use is just inbound receiving, such as notifications and OTP codes then it gets pretty simple and deliverability / IP reputation means less. Can just use a ccTLD or whatever you choose, something out of the hands of the US. Then use a VPS you trust, use Mailcow for simplicity or something.

    I had never heard of that mail provider before.

  • forestforest Member

    @MannDude said: With respect, I just assumed someone like you probably self-hosted mail.

    I used to, but it's too much work for no gain. There's nothing particularly confidential in there and I'd rather not have to discover an issue because some service terminates me for non-payment after they failed to deliver emails.

    @MannDude said: I had never heard of that mail provider before.

    It fills a niche similar to Riseup, but is Italian rather than American. It's been around for over 20 years, I think.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:

    @MannDude said: With respect, I just assumed someone like you probably self-hosted mail.

    I used to, but it's too much work for no gain. There's nothing particularly confidential in there and I'd rather not have to discover an issue because some service terminates me for non-payment after they failed to deliver emails.

    Maybe @jar can solve your problem.

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  • nikionikio Member

    @forest said:

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @forest said: It does if I care about having a lightweight interface that doesn't bog my browser down and the ability to reach an actual human if I need to reach their support.

    gmail is pretty lightweight and just works, no need to have any support :smile:

    Know of a way to log in with Tor and without a phone number?

    Yes, actually. Buy an greymarket gsuite / gapps legacy account. As admin you can overwrite phone # prompt for users in your domain. Technically you don't need to even go greymarket, you can sign up to google workspace directly without a phone number, you just don't have the option of paying in crypto and you'd be paying monthly.

  • forestforest Member

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @MannDude said: With respect, I just assumed someone like you probably self-hosted mail.

    I used to, but it's too much work for no gain. There's nothing particularly confidential in there and I'd rather not have to discover an issue because some service terminates me for non-payment after they failed to deliver emails.

    Maybe @jar can solve your problem.

    I actually considered that now that he and I are no longer on bad terms, but the two blockers are:

    • Vibe-coded panel and I hate vibe-coding
    • Spite-blocks AVS ISP which means their invoices couldn't reach me (I have a VPS with them)
  • LeviLevi Veteran

    What “autistici” means? Is it service for autistic people?

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:

    @MannDude said: With respect, I just assumed someone like you probably self-hosted mail.

    I used to, but it's too much work for no gain. There's nothing particularly confidential in there and I'd rather not have to discover an issue because some service terminates me for non-payment after they failed to deliver emails.

    Maybe @jar can solve your problem.

    I actually considered that now that he and I are no longer on bad terms, but the two blockers are:

    • Vibe-coded panel and I hate vibe-coding
    • Spite-blocks AVS ISP which means their invoices couldn't reach me (I have a VPS with them)

    1. Make a middleware that reimplement the front end and the API
    2. Can't you use 50 other vps? Like the @crunchbits freebies?

  • forestforest Member

    @Levi said:
    What “autistici” means? Is it service for autistic people?

    From https://www.inventati.org/who/manifesto:

    We called ourselves Inventati because we strive to find ways to translate issues that are part of struggles and their organizing, overcoming the limits and constraints of reality in the digital world. Ie: a plenum can be made permanent and continuous through the use of a mailing list.

    We called ourselves Autistici, instead, for the passion we have for understanding the technical tools and for exposing the politics implicit in the digital world; even if software is created in a virtual world it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a political impact on reality.

  • forestforest Member

    It looks like their Italian bank also closed them down due to how far-reaching "secondary sanctions" are:

    https://www.inventati.org/campaign/press

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  • WilliamWilliam Veteran

    @forest said: It looks like their Italian bank also closed them down due to how far-reaching "secondary sanctions" are:

    Regardless who owns the bank, once you (person or company) are a listed entity you will be refused service regardless why. No real bank can afford to not trade with/in US.
    Without a mule I can mostly only use state-influenced/owned banks (Sparkasse/Volksbank) required to let residents have an account.
    The owners will also be listed personally if the company listing has no effect, then their family.

  • forestforest Member

    @William said: No real bank can afford to not trade with/in US.

    Exactly. That's what makes it such a disgusting and corrupt system.

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  • WilliamWilliam Veteran

    It is possible to keep a banking system without the US - BRICS largely is pushing this, EU also - but as the profits are lower, especially in islamic banking, interest is also.
    I cant blame the banks here, they are no charity after all but evil corporations.

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @William said:
    It is possible to keep a banking system without the US - BRICS largely is pushing this, EU also - but as the profits are lower, especially in islamic banking, interest is also.
    I cant blame the banks here, they are no charity after all but evil corporations.

  • the EU is fundamentally the problem and never the solution - not even in part!

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  • forestforest Member

    This is getting a little too political in ways that have diverged from the topic. Let's try not to go too far lest the thread get closed or disappeared (again).

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @forest said:
    This is getting a little too political in ways that have diverged from the topic. Let's try not to go too far lest the thread get closed or disappeared (again).

    I'd say that what A/I is admirable, sticking to their beliefs. But, they forgot they're not bulletproof — only their idea is bulletproof

  • forestforest Member

    @rpqu said:

    @forest said:
    This is getting a little too political in ways that have diverged from the topic. Let's try not to go too far lest the thread get closed or disappeared (again).

    I'd say that what A/I is admirable, sticking to their beliefs. But, they forgot they're not bulletproof — only their idea is bulletproof

    Thankfully they won't give up. They've existed for 25 years and they'll keep surviving. If anything, there's a real chance that all this news coverage will result in more donations, despite their bank kicking them out.

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