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  • @noob404 said:

    @noob404 said:
    Oh yah, all this talk of inverter and power backup reminded me that I need a UPS for my PC. Got an inverter already, but, at times, when on heavy load, my PC hard powers off during a blackout. Need a cheap UPS to save me from those. Any suggestions. UPS below 2K still a thing? Gotta check.

    Oh yes, good to see guys like this still exist - https://www.amazon.in/Microtek-Interactive-Legend-650-Protection/dp/B0C7C2VP8D but there's the APC one for almost 1300 more - https://www.amazon.in/APC-BX600C-600VA-230V-Back/dp/B016XVRKZM

    Any suggestions? don't wanna spend 1K more cause the UPS will only prevent my PC going poof as soon as electricity's gone. The load will then be handled by inverter. Just need a 2-3 minute saviour.

    I have two APC ones.. Costly one (around 15k) both batteries died after 1 year.
    The BX600 model you mentioned, I got it for 3k 2 years back. Its running, but not getting any backup. Even got battery replace warning few days back.

    I don't trust APC anymore :(

    Thanked by 1noob404
  • @TrK said:

    @noob404 said:
    Oh yah, all this talk of inverter and power backup reminded me that I need a UPS for my PC. Got an inverter already, but, at times, when on heavy load, my PC hard powers off during a blackout. Need a cheap UPS to save me from those. Any suggestions. UPS below 2K still a thing? Gotta check.

    2k get's you a 600va one i doubt it can survive if your standard inverter can't with power load. Get least 1100va one and you will be fine :smile:

    Oh, thanks for that. That's way outta my budget. Might have to delay the purchase.

  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Yah, great policy if you also looked after your customers well. These guys are just happy when a customer leaves and now they are begging for more customers.

    Exactly. They didn't care if customers leaves. When BSNL started sacking/transferring employees where there are less customers, thats when they realized and started begging.

    Yah, they are slowly getting back on track right now, I believe, but, do they go back to their old habits once they got a good customer base? Only God knows.

    Basically govt job feeling does that. It runs in DNA i think.

  • BTW, here's rm -rf / on Ubuntu 24.04:-

    root@2c0181cd3ecc:/# rm -rf /
    rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
    rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
    
    Thanked by 2TrK xpress7
  • @TrK said:

    @noob404 said:

    @TrK said:

    @noob404 said:

    @TrK said:

    @noob404 said:
    BSNL internet services, from what I know is still a favourite among Govt. Employees specifically for the 20% discount.

    They have certainly improved the service the last time I was on their network was a completely new experience to me unlike the time I remembered them...

    Yah, the competition from private players did shake their boats and woke them up from their coma of attitude, Ig.

    most probably some experienced guy got the management of their fibre line, it's quite good as of now.

    Their fibre, if I am not wrong, wasn't as bad as their copper-based broadband from the beginning. I am talking about my area though. In my region, their fibre (FTTH) has been very much reliable.

    it used to be bad here constant latency issues and more with these...

    Thought so, maybe my region got lucky there.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Paying for 5km might cost a fortune depending on your locality. I was once asked by a local player to pay for 500m cable. And when I asked them how much it's be, he quoted 6k.This was 5 years ago. Maybe the prices have come down.

    Our local operator do charge for the wire, but its like around total around 4k for gpon modem/router and connection.

    We have govt operated fiber connection as well, which was launched as a pilot project first, which was working great as well. But it went downhill after govt change. Now the govt changed again, have to wait and see how it works. :D

    If you want to these prices I can always share the current prices from my are for these cables and equipment

    We have to pay what they ask ;) .. its somewhat reasonable though. Having connectivity itself is great first.. :p

    Well that's a certainty with local corporate+ gangs 😂😂

    The prices and connectivity improved a lot from private operators, so not complaining there. They are improving slowly though.

    they improve but they don't have any sense of urgency afaik, if something breaks down it will take hours just get an update. There are times i had to guide my ISP about issues and have them fixed, once i was assigned an entire subnet of his and he was calling me like crazy saying that i am consuming too much bandwidth(around 3-5tb a day) it took me 5 minutes to figure out the issue and the solution :joy:

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @noob404 said:
    Oh yah, all this talk of inverter and power backup reminded me that I need a UPS for my PC. Got an inverter already, but, at times, when on heavy load, my PC hard powers off during a blackout. Need a cheap UPS to save me from those. Any suggestions. UPS below 2K still a thing? Gotta check.

    Oh yes, good to see guys like this still exist - https://www.amazon.in/Microtek-Interactive-Legend-650-Protection/dp/B0C7C2VP8D but there's the APC one for almost 1300 more - https://www.amazon.in/APC-BX600C-600VA-230V-Back/dp/B016XVRKZM

    Any suggestions? don't wanna spend 1K more cause the UPS will only prevent my PC going poof as soon as electricity's gone. The load will then be handled by inverter. Just need a 2-3 minute saviour.

    I have two APC ones.. Costly one (around 15k) both batteries died after 1 year.
    The BX600 model you mentioned, I got it for 3k 2 years back. Its running, but not getting any backup. Even got battery replace warning few days back.

    I don't trust APC anymore :(

    Yah, APC's quality has gone down as well. Many complaints. My friend got an expensive one 20K+ recently, and it completely stopped working in a week. APC's supprot did replace it, but, that was a hassle as well.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Yah, great policy if you also looked after your customers well. These guys are just happy when a customer leaves and now they are begging for more customers.

    Exactly. They didn't care if customers leaves. When BSNL started sacking/transferring employees where there are less customers, thats when they realized and started begging.

    Yah, they are slowly getting back on track right now, I believe, but, do they go back to their old habits once they got a good customer base? Only God knows.

    Basically govt job feeling does that. It runs in DNA i think.

    It's slowly changing though since Govt. has given an ultimatum to most of them. Either better yourself or get privatised.

  • @xpress7 said: I don't trust APC anymore

    try a standard inverter from mikrotek specially pure shinewave at 1400va fix it with a tabular batter of 90 ah something. set it on UPS mode and enjoy a perfect UPS for your computers :joy:

  • noob404noob404 Member
    edited December 2024

    Fedora 41 throws the same warning:-
    [root@99b4dc71f43d /]# rm -rf /
    rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
    rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe

    Thanked by 2TrK xpress7
  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    It happens here as well just occasionally when they are doing work on them cable or nearest sub station.

    Occassionally is acceptable. But frequent ones is bad. They are govt workers, so we know the service.

    It will improve in a year or so believe me, we are already moving forward with big solar plant projects so it might just happen.

    Hoping so.. but they change from state to state though.

    I mean you can make it certainly unless some ministry makes trouble for you.

    I want to setup the solar plant , but it costs too much, esp for offline model.

    No, dude. Get the quotations from your private dealer, but, also check with https://www.pmsuryaghar.gov.in/ to make sure you are getting good prices. I believe the website also has details about subsidies. Maybe try that as well.

    As per my reading, the subsidy ones need to connect to the local power grid. They are online models, like they work only when the power is there. And will not work when there is no power. (again have to rely on inverter maybe).

    Offline works when there is sun and independed of local power. Without sun/nights works on battery. (like inverter). But we don't get subsidy on these.

    This is my basic undertanding. I may be wrong though.

    Thanked by 1noob404
  • @noob404 said: Oh, thanks for that. That's way outta my budget. Might have to delay the purchase.

    why not just upgrade the inverter? it's always my first suggestion :smile:

    Thanked by 1xpress7
  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Oh man, I was kidding when I said that. It turned out true. They really don't have backups for their internet machinery? If that's the case, what do you do, even though you have inverter at home?

    Thats why I got two connections. One from private and one from govt subsidary. They improved now though, they have backups now.

    Ah, I see. Good to have two connections. I am guessing the Govt. one is used mostly for TV and such while the other one for more serious tasks?

    I am not using tv on it. But i gave this wifi to entire family. And kept the private one to myself and gadgets like Echo devices smart bulbs etc..

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    It happens here as well just occasionally when they are doing work on them cable or nearest sub station.

    Occassionally is acceptable. But frequent ones is bad. They are govt workers, so we know the service.

    It will improve in a year or so believe me, we are already moving forward with big solar plant projects so it might just happen.

    Hoping so.. but they change from state to state though.

    I mean you can make it certainly unless some ministry makes trouble for you.

    I want to setup the solar plant , but it costs too much, esp for offline model.

    No, dude. Get the quotations from your private dealer, but, also check with https://www.pmsuryaghar.gov.in/ to make sure you are getting good prices. I believe the website also has details about subsidies. Maybe try that as well.

    As per my reading, the subsidy ones need to connect to the local power grid. They are online models, like they work only when the power is there. And will not work when there is no power. (again have to rely on inverter maybe).

    Offline works when there is sun and independed of local power. Without sun/nights works on battery. (like inverter). But we don't get subsidy on these.

    This is my basic undertanding. I may be wrong though.

    Yah, I used to think that as well, but, a friend clarified it for me when he got subsidy on off-grid solar plant for his home. But, he did say he had to go through a private player who got the discount for him.

    Thanked by 1xpress7
  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    It happens here as well just occasionally when they are doing work on them cable or nearest sub station.

    Occassionally is acceptable. But frequent ones is bad. They are govt workers, so we know the service.

    It will improve in a year or so believe me, we are already moving forward with big solar plant projects so it might just happen.

    Hoping so.. but they change from state to state though.

    I mean you can make it certainly unless some ministry makes trouble for you.

    I want to setup the solar plant , but it costs too much, esp for offline model.

    No, dude. Get the quotations from your private dealer, but, also check with https://www.pmsuryaghar.gov.in/ to make sure you are getting good prices. I believe the website also has details about subsidies. Maybe try that as well.

    As per my reading, the subsidy ones need to connect to the local power grid. They are online models, like they work only when the power is there. And will not work when there is no power. (again have to rely on inverter maybe).

    Offline works when there is sun and independed of local power. Without sun/nights works on battery. (like inverter). But we don't get subsidy on these.

    This is my basic undertanding. I may be wrong though.

    on grid is perfectly fine for anyone... there's a lot more to it then just charging your inverter and some.... you get really low electricity bills... just setup a multi battery inverter and roll with it blindly :smile:

    Thanked by 1xpress7
  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    You are gonna make me guess the state, Ig. Ready for the game? Don't tell me okay? I'm gonna ask you a few questions and will guess it?! :lol:

    Ha ha sure..

    Okay. I have two hints already - you don't speak Hindi very well, and you are surrounded by trees. So, it's either Southern India or north eastern India. My best is on southern India. Was your state famous for Tenali Raman?

    Ha ha.. you almost got it.

    So, guessing you got Tenali Raman as a famous historical figure, it's Andhra Pradesh or Telangana.

    You got it. Its AP 👍

    Well, thank you. Was in Hyderabad (TG) for a few hours a few months ago, visiting Char Minar. Hbad is really developed right now, dude. Is AP planning a tech city like Hbad as well?

    Yup. Hyd is good. Most of my relatives there. I was there for some years when young. But moved to village later.

    Yup our govt is planning to build a capital. But last govt ruined it for their political gains. Now the govt chagned, and the works are in traction.

  • xpress7xpress7 Member
    edited December 2024

    @noob404 said:
    BTW, here's rm -rf / on Ubuntu 24.04:-

    root@2c0181cd3ecc:/# rm -rf /
    rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
    rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
    

    You tried it finally.. 🤣🤣

    So its true, they have some protection mechanism.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    You are gonna make me guess the state, Ig. Ready for the game? Don't tell me okay? I'm gonna ask you a few questions and will guess it?! :lol:

    Ha ha sure..

    Okay. I have two hints already - you don't speak Hindi very well, and you are surrounded by trees. So, it's either Southern India or north eastern India. My best is on southern India. Was your state famous for Tenali Raman?

    Ha ha.. you almost got it.

    So, guessing you got Tenali Raman as a famous historical figure, it's Andhra Pradesh or Telangana.

    You got it. Its AP 👍

    Well, thank you. Was in Hyderabad (TG) for a few hours a few months ago, visiting Char Minar. Hbad is really developed right now, dude. Is AP planning a tech city like Hbad as well?

    Yup. Hyd is good. Most of my relatives there. I was there for some years when young. But moved to village later.

    Yup our govt is planning to build a capital. But last govt ruined it for their political gains. Now the govt chagned, and the works are in traction.

    it will take years to do that and once the govt changes it will be setback a little more, an endless battle where only common people suffer...

  • @TrK said:

    @noob404 said: Oh, thanks for that. That's way outta my budget. Might have to delay the purchase.

    why not just upgrade the inverter? it's always my first suggestion :smile:

    I'd have thought of that as well. But, the inverter's pretty strong. Unsure of it's specs but, it can easily handle running my PC with TV and PS4 and 3 BLDC fans continuously for 12+ hours without an issue. It's just when some heavy equipment (mixer grinders, etc.) is plugged into the wall an a blackout happens that my PC goes down.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Oh man, I was kidding when I said that. It turned out true. They really don't have backups for their internet machinery? If that's the case, what do you do, even though you have inverter at home?

    Thats why I got two connections. One from private and one from govt subsidary. They improved now though, they have backups now.

    Ah, I see. Good to have two connections. I am guessing the Govt. one is used mostly for TV and such while the other one for more serious tasks?

    I am not using tv on it. But i gave this wifi to entire family. And kept the private one to myself and gadgets like Echo devices smart bulbs etc..

    Ah, that's smart.

  • @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    It happens here as well just occasionally when they are doing work on them cable or nearest sub station.

    Occassionally is acceptable. But frequent ones is bad. They are govt workers, so we know the service.

    It will improve in a year or so believe me, we are already moving forward with big solar plant projects so it might just happen.

    Hoping so.. but they change from state to state though.

    I mean you can make it certainly unless some ministry makes trouble for you.

    I want to setup the solar plant , but it costs too much, esp for offline model.

    No, dude. Get the quotations from your private dealer, but, also check with https://www.pmsuryaghar.gov.in/ to make sure you are getting good prices. I believe the website also has details about subsidies. Maybe try that as well.

    As per my reading, the subsidy ones need to connect to the local power grid. They are online models, like they work only when the power is there. And will not work when there is no power. (again have to rely on inverter maybe).

    Offline works when there is sun and independed of local power. Without sun/nights works on battery. (like inverter). But we don't get subsidy on these.

    This is my basic undertanding. I may be wrong though.

    on grid is perfectly fine for anyone... there's a lot more to it then just charging your inverter and some.... you get really low electricity bills... just setup a multi battery inverter and roll with it blindly :smile:

    But, aren't these inverters and batteries themselves pretty expensive? Forgot to factor that in.

  • @TrK said:

    they improve but they don't have any sense of urgency afaik, if something breaks down it will take hours just get an update. There are times i had to guide my ISP about issues and have them fixed, once i was assigned an entire subnet of his and he was calling me like crazy saying that i am consuming too much bandwidth(around 3-5tb a day) it took me 5 minutes to figure out the issue and the solution :joy:

    They did what? May be your home lab consuming 5TB , we don't believe you, I am with ISP. 🤣🤣

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    You are gonna make me guess the state, Ig. Ready for the game? Don't tell me okay? I'm gonna ask you a few questions and will guess it?! :lol:

    Ha ha sure..

    Okay. I have two hints already - you don't speak Hindi very well, and you are surrounded by trees. So, it's either Southern India or north eastern India. My best is on southern India. Was your state famous for Tenali Raman?

    Ha ha.. you almost got it.

    So, guessing you got Tenali Raman as a famous historical figure, it's Andhra Pradesh or Telangana.

    You got it. Its AP 👍

    Well, thank you. Was in Hyderabad (TG) for a few hours a few months ago, visiting Char Minar. Hbad is really developed right now, dude. Is AP planning a tech city like Hbad as well?

    Yup. Hyd is good. Most of my relatives there. I was there for some years when young. But moved to village later.

    Yup our govt is planning to build a capital. But last govt ruined it for their political gains. Now the govt chagned, and the works are in traction.

    Ahh, I see, good luck to Andhra Pradesh then.

  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @noob404 said:
    Oh yah, all this talk of inverter and power backup reminded me that I need a UPS for my PC. Got an inverter already, but, at times, when on heavy load, my PC hard powers off during a blackout. Need a cheap UPS to save me from those. Any suggestions. UPS below 2K still a thing? Gotta check.

    Oh yes, good to see guys like this still exist - https://www.amazon.in/Microtek-Interactive-Legend-650-Protection/dp/B0C7C2VP8D but there's the APC one for almost 1300 more - https://www.amazon.in/APC-BX600C-600VA-230V-Back/dp/B016XVRKZM

    Any suggestions? don't wanna spend 1K more cause the UPS will only prevent my PC going poof as soon as electricity's gone. The load will then be handled by inverter. Just need a 2-3 minute saviour.

    I have two APC ones.. Costly one (around 15k) both batteries died after 1 year.
    The BX600 model you mentioned, I got it for 3k 2 years back. Its running, but not getting any backup. Even got battery replace warning few days back.

    I don't trust APC anymore :(

    Yah, APC's quality has gone down as well. Many complaints. My friend got an expensive one 20K+ recently, and it completely stopped working in a week. APC's supprot did replace it, but, that was a hassle as well.

    Good that it was faulty earlier, so that he got a replacement.

    I think I lost considerable amount on it. Didn't try to replace batteries. I'll try after few months may be.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:
    BTW, here's rm -rf / on Ubuntu 24.04:-

    root@2c0181cd3ecc:/# rm -rf /
    rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'
    rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
    

    You tried it finally.. 🤣🤣

    So its true, they have some protection mechanism.

    Yah, saw this in a video. That's why the curiosity. Any other distros you'd want me to try. I am pretty sure Arch, Ubuntu, and the likes have protection builtin. Gimme something offbeat which you think might not have any failsafe.

  • @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @noob404 said:
    Oh yah, all this talk of inverter and power backup reminded me that I need a UPS for my PC. Got an inverter already, but, at times, when on heavy load, my PC hard powers off during a blackout. Need a cheap UPS to save me from those. Any suggestions. UPS below 2K still a thing? Gotta check.

    Oh yes, good to see guys like this still exist - https://www.amazon.in/Microtek-Interactive-Legend-650-Protection/dp/B0C7C2VP8D but there's the APC one for almost 1300 more - https://www.amazon.in/APC-BX600C-600VA-230V-Back/dp/B016XVRKZM

    Any suggestions? don't wanna spend 1K more cause the UPS will only prevent my PC going poof as soon as electricity's gone. The load will then be handled by inverter. Just need a 2-3 minute saviour.

    I have two APC ones.. Costly one (around 15k) both batteries died after 1 year.
    The BX600 model you mentioned, I got it for 3k 2 years back. Its running, but not getting any backup. Even got battery replace warning few days back.

    I don't trust APC anymore :(

    Yah, APC's quality has gone down as well. Many complaints. My friend got an expensive one 20K+ recently, and it completely stopped working in a week. APC's supprot did replace it, but, that was a hassle as well.

    Good that it was faulty earlier, so that he got a replacement.

    I think I lost considerable amount on it. Didn't try to replace batteries. I'll try after few months may be.

    BTW, if you face any issues with any of these companies, make a complaint here - https://consumerhelpline.gov.in/public/

    It's pretty effective. Had a very positive experience recently.

    Thanked by 1TrK
  • @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    Yah, great policy if you also looked after your customers well. These guys are just happy when a customer leaves and now they are begging for more customers.

    Exactly. They didn't care if customers leaves. When BSNL started sacking/transferring employees where there are less customers, thats when they realized and started begging.

    Yah, they are slowly getting back on track right now, I believe, but, do they go back to their old habits once they got a good customer base? Only God knows.

    Basically govt job feeling does that. It runs in DNA i think.

    It's slowly changing though since Govt. has given an ultimatum to most of them. Either better yourself or get privatised.

    Privatization definitely improves them a lot. But one thing I fear is, they don't operate in areas without profits. BSNL provided connectivity to areas in entire India, when there was like only one connection as well. I respect that.

    Thanked by 1noob404
  • @noob404 said:

    @TrK said:

    @noob404 said: Oh, thanks for that. That's way outta my budget. Might have to delay the purchase.

    why not just upgrade the inverter? it's always my first suggestion :smile:

    I'd have thought of that as well. But, the inverter's pretty strong. Unsure of it's specs but, it can easily handle running my PC with TV and PS4 and 3 BLDC fans continuously for 12+ hours without an issue. It's just when some heavy equipment (mixer grinders, etc.) is plugged into the wall an a blackout happens that my PC goes down.

    the runtime is from battery, check the model it should have the va rating in it... it should be atleast 1400va if you are planning on running your PC, tv, ps and mixer grinder :smile:

  • @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said: I don't trust APC anymore

    try a standard inverter from mikrotek specially pure shinewave at 1400va fix it with a tabular batter of 90 ah something. set it on UPS mode and enjoy a perfect UPS for your computers :joy:

    We already have inverter at home. I am thinking of getting a second one to my room, to sustain from the powercuts in summer.

  • @noob404 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @noob404 said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    @xpress7 said:

    @TrK said:

    It happens here as well just occasionally when they are doing work on them cable or nearest sub station.

    Occassionally is acceptable. But frequent ones is bad. They are govt workers, so we know the service.

    It will improve in a year or so believe me, we are already moving forward with big solar plant projects so it might just happen.

    Hoping so.. but they change from state to state though.

    I mean you can make it certainly unless some ministry makes trouble for you.

    I want to setup the solar plant , but it costs too much, esp for offline model.

    No, dude. Get the quotations from your private dealer, but, also check with https://www.pmsuryaghar.gov.in/ to make sure you are getting good prices. I believe the website also has details about subsidies. Maybe try that as well.

    As per my reading, the subsidy ones need to connect to the local power grid. They are online models, like they work only when the power is there. And will not work when there is no power. (again have to rely on inverter maybe).

    Offline works when there is sun and independed of local power. Without sun/nights works on battery. (like inverter). But we don't get subsidy on these.

    This is my basic undertanding. I may be wrong though.

    on grid is perfectly fine for anyone... there's a lot more to it then just charging your inverter and some.... you get really low electricity bills... just setup a multi battery inverter and roll with it blindly :smile:

    But, aren't these inverters and batteries themselves pretty expensive? Forgot to factor that in.

    get 150 or 130ah only, will cost you around 12k each and lasts for around 4-5 years without failing.

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