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  • @NameCrane said:
    The FOMO from the Europeans is real 👀

    You have embarked on an interesting niche :)

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @hyperblast said:
    cranemail europe (not EU) must come early!

    is there a rough idea of what 250G cranemail europe will cost?

    Mike's working on that.

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    WE WANT EU PLANS

    We know :)

    @manuv said:
    May be @NameCrane / @Francisco can consider an option for early adopters (who wanna give NC $$$ to generate interest ($) and okay with idling the service for a while) to move service to EU once its available.

    Something like they get new EU service and their US service (and data) gets purged in 7 days. Onus on user to move data if they want so that there's no overhead cost incurred to NC.

    We're not hard up for cash. We're just ironing out any bugs and adding missing features to the cranemail panel.

    Fear not, we're hard at work. I'm actively working on self-serve spamexperts transfers. After that, it'll be a 'Users' section for you to do the usual CRUD actions.

    Francisco

    Thanked by 3manuv hyperblast mupp
  • manuvmanuv Member
    edited December 2024

    @Francisco said:

    @hyperblast said:
    cranemail europe (not EU) must come early!

    is there a rough idea of what 250G cranemail europe will cost?

    Mike's working on that.

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    WE WANT EU PLANS

    We know :)

    @manuv said:
    May be @NameCrane / @Francisco can consider an option for early adopters (who wanna give NC $$$ to generate interest ($) and okay with idling the service for a while) to move service to EU once its available.

    Something like they get new EU service and their US service (and data) gets purged in 7 days. Onus on user to move data if they want so that there's no overhead cost incurred to NC.

    We're not hard up for cash. We're just ironing out any bugs and adding missing features to the cranemail panel.

    Fear not, we're hard at work. I'm actively working on self-serve spamexperts transfers. After that, it'll be a 'Users' section for you to do the usual CRUD actions.

    Francisco

    Thanks, i am gonna idle for a while as i have no immediate need to move my existing infra over. My reason for LT deal was because you are doing inhouse cranemail panel - i thought users can give suggestions so that wide variety of innovative features can be implemented as a hosted service. Like simplelogin as many potentially use / wanna use something like it.

    For example, I would love to have following functionality implemented.

    Domain - somemail.ext

    Users / mailbox created manually - [email protected]. This is also set as the catchall.

    A separate webpage in the console which lists all "aliases" under somemail.ext to which emails were being sent (this is captured automatically). The user ([email protected]) can send email as any alias listed in this webpage. Also there's a manage function which can turn on / off the alias (to block forwarding) or limit who can send to that alias (like a regex)

    Usecase 1 - dynamic alias

    Example i am at tom's pet store, i ask tom to send me invoice at [email protected]; this is caught by the catchall and forwarded to [email protected].

    At the same time, [email protected] is listed under the aforementioned webpage automatically. [email protected] can send email as [email protected].

    Usecase 2 - control rate of abuse

    If tom start spamming with ton of marketing, admin can disable / pause [email protected] so that emails are no longer forwarded to [email protected].

    Usecase 3 - prevent phishing / similar. Or restricted mailbox within orgs.

    I gave [email protected] to my chase banker. In the aforesaid webpage, I can enforce only *@chase.com can sent emails to [email protected] so that some random dude who spoofs/masks can't send ransom emails.

    Just throwing it out & hoping some / most of these can be implemented by @NameCrane :)

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited December 2024

    @manuv fancy ideas!

    For now lets get a few of the base features done first and then we can brainstorm.

    I've got another couple hours on the spamexperts stuff, and then it'll be the users page w/ impersonation support.

    I did some workflow changes yesterday as well. For instance, when you create an account it'll popup the admin details, instead of requiring the extra 'view admin details' click. That view page has now been chopped back to just being a change password prompt.

    We tweaked the 'manage product' link on the product view page to try to make it obvious it's a link. Many users kept thinking it was a header and that the page was failing to render the rest.

    Francisco

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  • @manuv said:
    May be @NameCrane / @Francisco can consider an option for early adopters (who wanna give NC $$$ to generate interest ($) and okay with idling the service for a while) to move service to EU once its available.

    Something like they get new EU service and their US service (and data) gets purged in 7 days. Onus on user to move data if they want so that there's no overhead cost incurred to NC.

    this idea has already been ruled out by @francisco. if you now buy 250g lifetime cranemail, then this is a usa package which cannot be transferred to europe.

  • @Francisco said:

    @hyperblast said:
    cranemail europe (not EU) must come early!

    is there a rough idea of what 250G cranemail europe will cost?

    Mike's working on that.

    @COLBYLICIOUS said:
    WE WANT EU PLANS

    We know :)

    @Francisco (boss of crane?) can you please give a rough estimate of when to expect europe-250g-lifetime and by how much % it will be more expensive than the usa-cranemail offer and what in particular will be the reason why europe-cranemail will be more expensive?
    will cranemail-europe comply with eu data protection regulations?

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @hyperblast said: @Francisco (boss of crane?) can you please give a rough estimate of when to expect europe-250g-lifetime and by how much % it will be more expensive than the usa-cranemail offer and what in particular will be the reason why europe-cranemail will be more expensive?

    will cranemail-europe comply with eu data protection regulations?

    Mike's thinking on pricing.

    Yes, we'll need to make sure it's GDPR compliant. I need to go get enrolled in whatever programs we need for that. We need GDPR for domains anyway.

    Francisco

    Thanked by 1hyperblast
  • i wish mike good thoughts and enlightening input regarding pricing for eu customers🙏🏻

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @hyperblast said:
    i wish mike good thoughts and enlightening input regarding pricing for eu customers🙏🏻

    The price is slowly increasing with every DM and ticket I get asking about Europe :joy:

    Kidding. But yeah, it won't be a crazy amount more.

    Increase has to account for the higher operating costs in EU (see: power prices), and import fees we gotta pay on hardware shipped, and other fun stuff like that. Plus you guys are making Fran read to make sure we're in compliance with GDPR, so there's a premium on that too :wink:

  • @NameCrane said:

    @hyperblast said:
    i wish mike good thoughts and enlightening input regarding pricing for eu customers🙏🏻

    The price is slowly increasing with every DM and ticket I get asking about Europe :joy:

    Kidding. But yeah, it won't be a crazy amount more.

    Increase has to account for the higher operating costs in EU (see: power prices), and import fees we gotta pay on hardware shipped, and other fun stuff like that. Plus you guys are making Fran read to make sure we're in compliance with GDPR, so there's a premium on that too :wink:

    Will the premium be so low that those who preferred/ wanted EU but already purchased regret their decision :tongue:

    You are threading on a thin line. :wink:

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @manuv said:

    @NameCrane said:

    @hyperblast said:
    i wish mike good thoughts and enlightening input regarding pricing for eu customers🙏🏻

    The price is slowly increasing with every DM and ticket I get asking about Europe :joy:

    Kidding. But yeah, it won't be a crazy amount more.

    Increase has to account for the higher operating costs in EU (see: power prices), and import fees we gotta pay on hardware shipped, and other fun stuff like that. Plus you guys are making Fran read to make sure we're in compliance with GDPR, so there's a premium on that too :wink:

    Will the premium be so low that those who preferred/ wanted EU but already purchased regret their decision :tongue:

    You are threading on a thin line. :wink:

    Alright, you convinced me. I'll take the increase I've calculated and double it.

    Thanked by 1Freek
  • Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

  • I purchased a LIFETIME 250GB plan and haven't experienced any issues so far. NameCrane even threw in a free eM Client license! The provider is incredibly generous! :D

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

  • now its over! after 16years and 2 month i finally closed my fastmail account today. the fastmail offers are simply too expensive for me and my small family.

    can cranemail europe be a worthy replacement? ;)

    Thanked by 1COLBYLICIOUS
  • @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

  • @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

  • @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator
    edited December 2024

    @Xytronix said: Well, I am interested in >the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be >tolerated in this forum.

    If you familiarize with the forum before using it, you would see what is and what is not tolerated. You are pushing it.

  • @Xytronix said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

    But you did mention another provider just above

  • NameCraneNameCrane Member, Patron Provider

    @Xytronix said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

    The answer is the webmail, file storage, etc is what sold us. There's probably better standalone mail server options, but not as tightly integrated and would've required hacking together other pieces to make it work.

    The cloud storage piece was something we really wanted to include - even if it's not perfect at the moment

    Thanked by 1Xytronix
  • manuvmanuv Member
    edited December 2024

    @Xytronix said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

    I will just say, no one is forcing you to use their services. They chose tools / software that they feel comfortable and which make business/economic/technical sense to them. You can take it or leave it and choose a competition if it makes more sense to you.

    If I am selling apples, i don't think I need to explain why I chose to sell apple and that too only green apple. You either buy it from me or leave me alone :)

    If you have any issue with the green apple I sell, then let me know. Or if you have suggestions on how to make my apple better, then I am all ears. But asking why I chose to sell X variety of apple?- meh, it's my choice mate.

  • @manuv said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

    I will just say, no one is forcing you to use their services. They chose tools / software that they feel comfortable and which make business/economic/technical sense to them. You can take it or leave it and choose a competition if it makes more sense to you.

    If I am selling apples, i don't think I need to explain why I chose to sell apple and that too only green apple. You either buy it from me or leave me alone :)

    If you have any issue with the green apple I sell, then let me know. Or if you have suggestions on how to make my apple better, then I am all ears. But asking why I chose to sell X variety of apple?- meh, it's my choice mate.

    As a customer, I am interested in the reliability, security, and delivery of my mail. The backend plays a major role in that decision. We are talking about mail here and not hosting or other types of services.

    Thanked by 1alfirous
  • @Xytronix said:
    Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Okay, I see

    There's two ways of construing this question:

    • Either you're asking @NameCrane a question about their infrastructure/setup/choices
    • Or you're asking a random reader of this thread why they don't rely on the said alternative

    As a result, it wasn't clear how exactly to construe your question

    If you had elaborated more on what you meant/intended, it would have been clearer

    Thanked by 1Xytronix
  • @Xytronix said:

    @manuv said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Xytronix said:

    @Arkas said:

    @Xytronix said: Why not relying on Stalw.art for mail services?

    Please STOP telling others what they should and should NOT be using. This is a provider's thread.

    I'm just asking something I am interested in, no need to be yelling at me.

    That question isn't pertinent in another provider's offer thread

    You can ask that question in the pit or in a general thread about mail providers

    Well, I am interested in the software and tools they chose and the reason behind it.
    These are simple questions. I am not even mentioning other providers here which seems to be tolerated in this forum.

    I will just say, no one is forcing you to use their services. They chose tools / software that they feel comfortable and which make business/economic/technical sense to them. You can take it or leave it and choose a competition if it makes more sense to you.

    If I am selling apples, i don't think I need to explain why I chose to sell apple and that too only green apple. You either buy it from me or leave me alone :)

    If you have any issue with the green apple I sell, then let me know. Or if you have suggestions on how to make my apple better, then I am all ears. But asking why I chose to sell X variety of apple?- meh, it's my choice mate.

    As a customer, I am interested in the reliability, security, and delivery of my mail. The backend plays a major role in that decision. We are talking about mail here and not hosting or other types of services.

    Again, its not forced upon you. You chose to be a customer knowing they are using X as the backend. I don't think they hide it from anyone.

    I would had aligned with you, if NameCrane moved to a new backend after you being a customer - then yes, it makes sense to question the choices.

    Thanked by 1Arkas
  • I currently have a NameCrane shared hosting account, and my email needs are straightforward without requiring file storage. Is there any benefit to signing up for CraneMail, considering that my shared hosting already includes SpamExperts? I'm curious if there's a reason to switch to CraneMail.

  • Sorry for keep asking about EU location but will there be any kind of information for all customers once it will be released? I would even subscribe to newsletters for this.

    Just want to make sure I don't miss the introduction and the introduction offers for it.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited December 2024

    @SunArcade said: I currently have a NameCrane shared hosting account, and my email needs are straightforward without requiring file storage. Is there any benefit to signing up for CraneMail, considering that my shared hosting already includes SpamExperts? I'm curious if there's a reason to switch to CraneMail.

    If you just new need standard email, then what you get on your shared is more than great.

    If you want a 'suite experience', then Cranemail is pretty good.

    @Multi said:
    Sorry for keep asking about EU location but will there be any kind of information for all customers once it will be released? I would even subscribe to newsletters for this.

    Just want to make sure I don't miss the introduction and the introduction offers for it.

    Come hang out in the discord, we mostly don't bite.

    Francisco

  • @SunArcade said:
    I currently have a NameCrane shared hosting account, and my email needs are straightforward without requiring file storage. Is there any benefit to signing up for CraneMail, considering that my shared hosting already includes SpamExperts? I'm curious if there's a reason to switch to CraneMail.

    I personally switched from DA webmail because

    1. I want service segregation. I don't want my hosting/email to go down together. Also, email is a service that I'd probably rent for a long, long time, but a website for me is not. I might want to switch to another provider/VPS in the future for my hosting. Self-hosting email is much more difficult.
    2. Better security. There's no 2FA options for DA's webmail (that I know of).
    3. I just don't like DA/CPanel that much.
    4. I like shiny new things AND lack self-control.

    Keep in mind that #4 is 90% of the reason though, the other 3 are just rationalizing my decision lmao.

    Thanked by 2kdjma ElonBezos
  • MultiMulti Member
    edited December 2024

    @Francisco said:

    @Multi said:
    Sorry for keep asking about EU location but will there be any kind of information for all customers once it will be released? I would even subscribe to newsletters for this.

    Just want to make sure I don't miss the introduction and the introduction offers for it.

    Come hang out in the discord, we mostly don't bite.

    Francisco

    I'm there already for some time. I just have one too many discord servers to regularly read all of them. I'll just allow notification for the nc-news channel.

    Thanks man

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