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  • If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

  • @a1195992737 said:
    If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No warning, doesn't care about anyone, doesn't adhere to the provider's basic code of ethics, and then blames the customer: "You can't ask for a full refund because you've been using it for 6 months." I support you in suing it, he is completely insulting the customer's intelligence, since DVO has broken the rules, why can't users recover losses in the same way. This is simply the most disgusting piece of shit in 2024.

  • edited February 2024

    @Dvo can you please say something like "You will have to rip those $6 out of my cold dead hands, maggots! Mwhahahahahahaha!!"

    Thanked by 3Smigit PineappleM kode9
  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    @Dvo financial and/or administrative trouble can happen while running a company.

    Shutting down everything without even 24 hour notice is inexcusable and the reason why everyone is jumping at you. On top of that, you disappeared and are refusing to proactively refund affected customers.

    What did you expect after that? Kind words from everyone? It seems clear to me that you are unable to show any empathy towards customers who trusted you and your company.

  • PureVoltagePureVoltage Member, Patron Provider
    edited February 2024

    @Moopah said:
    @Dvo while I'm not a customer and I wish for the success of many providers, it's quite unfortunate that the shutdown was handled the way it was with 0 notice.

    A communicated 1 week warning would at least provide time for customers to migrate even if they don't get any money back through refunds.

    I agree pretty trash person doing this type of thing.
    It was bad enough when Dedipath gave less than 24 hours notice but this clearly shutting down and not giving notice and to reply that basically tough shit is insane. This is why people have issues trusting anyone.

    Do better people.

    Thanked by 1PineappleM
  • @PureVoltage said:

    @Moopah said:
    @Dvo while I'm not a customer and I wish for the success of many providers, it's quite unfortunate that the shutdown was handled the way it was with 0 notice.

    A communicated 1 week warning would at least provide time for customers to migrate even if they don't get any money back through refunds.

    I agree pretty trash person doing this type of thing.
    It was bad enough when Dedipath gave less than 24 hours notice but this clearly shutting down and not giving notice and to reply that basically tough shit is insane. This is why people have issues trusting anyone.

    Do better people.

    Yep, and not everyone is idling, so a bunch of people have lost their data :(

  • What a joke this place has become. Jesus Christ.

    Thanked by 2PineappleM sasslik
  • If there were no paypal, no credit card, and everyone was paying in BTC, would you still come back here with a long speech "full of emotion"? Will you run away on the first day of service or in the sixth month? I think the answer is obvious.

    Be honest, man, this is not a kindergarten. If your wife slept with another man, would you forgive her for living for six months or six years?

    Thanked by 2PineappleM nmsl
  • @Dvo said:
    The problem with exit scams is that fortunately, they don’t exist anymore. What fueled the exit scams was the fact PayPal never allowed refunds for virtual goods or services, today however they are both covered. You may want to go read PayPal’s terms of service. Not sure how I’m running away with people’s money when they’ll get a refund and then PayPal and I will settle later on, it’s not like the money was spent, it’s sitting in a CIBC account since both accounts (PP/Stripe) get dumped almost daily. When dealing with annual accounts, it not wise to put services not rendered on the books i.e. the prepayment, as it’s actually classified as a liability. Who knew?!

    I’m not going to be proactive in refunding, simply because of all the drama with the refunds themselves. If people think paying $12/yr for a service, using the service for 6 months, then charging back the full $12 when they’re only lawfully entitled to a $6 refund, I’m not going to sit there and fuck around with arguing with people. Let them get their $12 refund, I’ll tack on a $200 administrative fee, a $50 charge back fee, the balance due and the interest, then fire the account off to collections. Problem solved.

    Regardless of what people want to believe, the company was profitable. Profitability however isn’t the only metric used when forecasting a company’s future. People need to stop using the word owner and start using the word investor. For me this was an investment and while profitable, the company never hit any of its quarterly targets. Not hitting the targets makes it difficult to forecast the future in terms of its value i.e.putting more resources into a.k.a. what this investment is worth to me.

    It’s also important to understand why those targets failed. It’s not one single issue, it’s multiple issues overall. Yes, the economy isn’t the greatest, yes, we have inflation. Are people’s wages going up? The reason why I say this is because the company never had a strong commercial/corporate customer base, it was mostly hobby companies and VPN users i.e. residential. While I’m not going to complain as revenue is revenue, as people struggle trying to make ends meet, and let’s be honest, if you had to decide between two VPS’s i.e. Limewave or Vultr/DO, you’ll always pick the most established provider and drop the other. That’s fine, business is business. There have been a few, larger providers, very vocal about lack of growth and the economy. Kinda odd for me to bring up struggling customers, isn’t it? 62% of the customer base never paid their bill on time (and yes I did remove the $0.50 late fee), not knocking them, however if you can’t pay a $1.85/mo service on time, it’s either because a) money is tight – OK, not everyone lives in a country where they make a lot of money, I get it or b) the service wasn’t a priority. Now if the service wasn’t a priority, that’s a slight problem, no?

    HE losing their SEA<>Tokyo run didn’t help things either. It’s hard to compete in markets where the company actually found a niche (not that I planned to be a provider in those markets), however the MJJ’s love HE. HE, HE, HE, fuck NTT fuck Cogent. The amount of “can I get single homed HE” tickets was actually surprising, had I known I was going to be a VPN (I mean VPS) host in that market and their love for HE, I never would’ve signed Cogent. I’m sure I could’ve picked up v6 Cogent routes off Wowrack cheap. Meh. But now with the 40-60 ms of additional latency, whatever monthly customers the company had in that market, well… let’s just say 24 hours after HE shit the bed, there was a decent number of cancellations.

    Having a DC tech fat finger some shit in the rack didn’t make things go any smoother. However the work was being done to upgrade the network and add additional power. People ticket in “network is shit” – “I know…”. I can’t pull a fucking rabbit out of my ass and “problem solved”. Doing the upgrade was a huge and I mean HUGE pain in the ass, however once complete, I hate to say it, the last 2 months or so have been probably the best in terms of performance and reliability.

    Now there were some plans made in November to try a small pilot, nothing big, however I did find a deal on some E3-1245v3’s and was planning on doing a dedicated servers out of Seattle. When the network was built, there was never any plans for colocation or dedicated servers meaning the physical infrastructure for the backend was never there. So yes, it’s gonna be a hit or miss in regards to whatever automation solution I picked (pay attention now – the project never got that far) and working out the bugs, the additional power going in was for these servers.

    What it comes down to is that regardless of the capital that went into this location, $43K to launch and another $10K in November, the numbers weren’t there. If people want to believe it was an exit scam, that’s fine. The decision to cease operations wasn’t on the table until the end of the fourth quarter, which is the end of December.

    But let’s be honest, if I’m struggling for cash and need to pump accounts to pay carriers and colocation bills, why in the fuck would I spent two grand on old shit servers? Why pick up (and carry) the additional power? As of right now, they’re still sitting unpackaged and that kinda sucks, because I was looking forward to seeing how things would’ve turned out.

    If I was struggling for cash, why not sell the ports? How many providers here would be interested in, pot luck special, FLAT 10g ports - $200/mo for one and $300/mo for the other – pick your rate and I’ll tell you if it’s Cogent or HE. Anyone in wowrack want my 10g FLAT SIX port, it’s only $75/mo, $550/mo retail btw. I got a killer deal on 40 amps if anyone’s looking for a deal. Anyone looking for a /21 of IPv4 non 4.10, make me an offer. The ports aren’t being sold nor are the IP’s or power.

    It’s not that I didn’t value the customers I had, I did. I’m very grateful for the customers that decided to do business with me, thank you! At the end of the day however, decisions need to be made and it’s just business.

    As for the ARIN updates, yes there are plans. As of right now, I have the rack space just don’t have the free power. The plan as of right now, nothing official, is that I’ll be bringing a few nodes online for a 24 hour period then cycle with the same pattern until all the nodes have had their last day. What I’m waiting for is OVH to approve the BYOIP orders as I figure, it’d be wise to have some form of basic DDoS protection. Once the nodes come online, people can rsync the data off if needed, however the same restrictions as before apply i,e. no outbound SSH, so my advice would be to change the SSH port of the remote host now to avoid any delays when the node comes online. OVH states up for 3 weeks, so tick tock. We all wait.

    For the node that was a total loss, it will be repaired and brought back online so you can recover your data if needed.

    To be honest, I just moved my website to Limewave a month ago, and even though I'm in Asia, the internet has been good. Although I discovered that limewave was offline a few days ago, I did not apply for a dispute. I just looked forward to the day when it would come back online. I understand the business difficulties you are encountering. If you plan to go online again in the next few days, please be sure to write a big announcement message, limewave needs a decent exit or a fresh start!

  • Let me summarize Limewave's response, and I'm not sure if I understand correctly:

    1. Limewave has indeed ceased its services.
    2. Limewave accuses users, especially MJJ, of using the service for 6 months and still obtaining a full refund through PayPal disputes.
    3. However, Limewave refuses to initiate refunds to users.

    Is this accurate?

  • edited February 2024

    @redhattom said:

    @Dvo said:
    The problem with exit scams is that fortunately, they don’t exist anymore. What fueled the exit scams was the fact PayPal never allowed refunds for virtual goods or services, today however they are both covered. You may want to go read PayPal’s terms of service. Not sure how I’m running away with people’s money when they’ll get a refund and then PayPal and I will settle later on, it’s not like the money was spent, it’s sitting in a CIBC account since both accounts (PP/Stripe) get dumped almost daily. When dealing with annual accounts, it not wise to put services not rendered on the books i.e. the prepayment, as it’s actually classified as a liability. Who knew?!

    I’m not going to be proactive in refunding, simply because of all the drama with the refunds themselves. If people think paying $12/yr for a service, using the service for 6 months, then charging back the full $12 when they’re only lawfully entitled to a $6 refund, I’m not going to sit there and fuck around with arguing with people. Let them get their $12 refund, I’ll tack on a $200 administrative fee, a $50 charge back fee, the balance due and the interest, then fire the account off to collections. Problem solved.

    Regardless of what people want to believe, the company was profitable. Profitability however isn’t the only metric used when forecasting a company’s future. People need to stop using the word owner and start using the word investor. For me this was an investment and while profitable, the company never hit any of its quarterly targets. Not hitting the targets makes it difficult to forecast the future in terms of its value i.e.putting more resources into a.k.a. what this investment is worth to me.

    It’s also important to understand why those targets failed. It’s not one single issue, it’s multiple issues overall. Yes, the economy isn’t the greatest, yes, we have inflation. Are people’s wages going up? The reason why I say this is because the company never had a strong commercial/corporate customer base, it was mostly hobby companies and VPN users i.e. residential. While I’m not going to complain as revenue is revenue, as people struggle trying to make ends meet, and let’s be honest, if you had to decide between two VPS’s i.e. Limewave or Vultr/DO, you’ll always pick the most established provider and drop the other. That’s fine, business is business. There have been a few, larger providers, very vocal about lack of growth and the economy. Kinda odd for me to bring up struggling customers, isn’t it? 62% of the customer base never paid their bill on time (and yes I did remove the $0.50 late fee), not knocking them, however if you can’t pay a $1.85/mo service on time, it’s either because a) money is tight – OK, not everyone lives in a country where they make a lot of money, I get it or b) the service wasn’t a priority. Now if the service wasn’t a priority, that’s a slight problem, no?

    HE losing their SEA<>Tokyo run didn’t help things either. It’s hard to compete in markets where the company actually found a niche (not that I planned to be a provider in those markets), however the MJJ’s love HE. HE, HE, HE, fuck NTT fuck Cogent. The amount of “can I get single homed HE” tickets was actually surprising, had I known I was going to be a VPN (I mean VPS) host in that market and their love for HE, I never would’ve signed Cogent. I’m sure I could’ve picked up v6 Cogent routes off Wowrack cheap. Meh. But now with the 40-60 ms of additional latency, whatever monthly customers the company had in that market, well… let’s just say 24 hours after HE shit the bed, there was a decent number of cancellations.

    Having a DC tech fat finger some shit in the rack didn’t make things go any smoother. However the work was being done to upgrade the network and add additional power. People ticket in “network is shit” – “I know…”. I can’t pull a fucking rabbit out of my ass and “problem solved”. Doing the upgrade was a huge and I mean HUGE pain in the ass, however once complete, I hate to say it, the last 2 months or so have been probably the best in terms of performance and reliability.

    Now there were some plans made in November to try a small pilot, nothing big, however I did find a deal on some E3-1245v3’s and was planning on doing a dedicated servers out of Seattle. When the network was built, there was never any plans for colocation or dedicated servers meaning the physical infrastructure for the backend was never there. So yes, it’s gonna be a hit or miss in regards to whatever automation solution I picked (pay attention now – the project never got that far) and working out the bugs, the additional power going in was for these servers.

    What it comes down to is that regardless of the capital that went into this location, $43K to launch and another $10K in November, the numbers weren’t there. If people want to believe it was an exit scam, that’s fine. The decision to cease operations wasn’t on the table until the end of the fourth quarter, which is the end of December.

    But let’s be honest, if I’m struggling for cash and need to pump accounts to pay carriers and colocation bills, why in the fuck would I spent two grand on old shit servers? Why pick up (and carry) the additional power? As of right now, they’re still sitting unpackaged and that kinda sucks, because I was looking forward to seeing how things would’ve turned out.

    If I was struggling for cash, why not sell the ports? How many providers here would be interested in, pot luck special, FLAT 10g ports - $200/mo for one and $300/mo for the other – pick your rate and I’ll tell you if it’s Cogent or HE. Anyone in wowrack want my 10g FLAT SIX port, it’s only $75/mo, $550/mo retail btw. I got a killer deal on 40 amps if anyone’s looking for a deal. Anyone looking for a /21 of IPv4 non 4.10, make me an offer. The ports aren’t being sold nor are the IP’s or power.

    It’s not that I didn’t value the customers I had, I did. I’m very grateful for the customers that decided to do business with me, thank you! At the end of the day however, decisions need to be made and it’s just business.

    As for the ARIN updates, yes there are plans. As of right now, I have the rack space just don’t have the free power. The plan as of right now, nothing official, is that I’ll be bringing a few nodes online for a 24 hour period then cycle with the same pattern until all the nodes have had their last day. What I’m waiting for is OVH to approve the BYOIP orders as I figure, it’d be wise to have some form of basic DDoS protection. Once the nodes come online, people can rsync the data off if needed, however the same restrictions as before apply i,e. no outbound SSH, so my advice would be to change the SSH port of the remote host now to avoid any delays when the node comes online. OVH states up for 3 weeks, so tick tock. We all wait.

    For the node that was a total loss, it will be repaired and brought back online so you can recover your data if needed.

    To be honest, I just moved my website to Limewave a month ago, and even though I'm in Asia, the internet has been good. Although I discovered that limewave was offline a few days ago, I did not apply for a dispute. I just looked forward to the day when it would come back online. I understand the business difficulties you are encountering. If you plan to go online again in the next few days, please be sure to write a big announcement message, limewave needs a decent exit or a fresh start!

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • Dec 31st 12:00pm: "Uh oh. Looks like I have to shut down the business come January"

    Jan 1 10.00am "May be I should return the yearly payments from the December 2023 deals?"

    Jan 1: 10.00.05am "Naaaahhh."

    Thanked by 2greentea marcopolio
  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @a1195992737 said: If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No lawyer is going to take this...not enough money at stake.

    Thanked by 1BruhGamer12
  • @raindog308 said:

    @a1195992737 said: If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No lawyer is going to take this...not enough money at stake.

    We need LowEndLawyers

  • kvz12kvz12 Member
    edited February 2024

    @Moopah said:

    @raindog308 said:

    @a1195992737 said: If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No lawyer is going to take this...not enough money at stake.

    We need LowEndLawyers

    Not worth their time.

  • kevindskevinds Member, LIR

    @Moopah said:
    We need LowEndLawyers

    No, please no. Just no!

    Low end hosts can be bad enough.. ;)

  • mike1smike1s Member
    edited February 2024

    @Moopah said:

    @raindog308 said:

    @a1195992737 said: If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No lawyer is going to take this...not enough money at stake.

    We need LowEndLawyers

    Isn't that AI? /s

  • thats crazy... after all this to come back with that..

  • SmigitSmigit Member
    edited February 2024

    Can only imagine how much better this would have gone if everyone was given a week or two’s notice and a humbling apology that the business hadn’t panned out. At the same time if money was available, some pro rated refunds, or at least a percentage of one, would probably be enough to stop many of the users from looking at making chargebacks for the full amount. A humble and graceful exit probably would have gone down well with many people and I think people would have been empathetic to the situation.

    Instead users were left in the dark and when a response was issued this has come across as a very aggressive attack of the users with no real sign of any empathy towards those impacted. The response given, while seemingly borne out of frustration, is not well considered and will only inflame a difficult situation. The complete lack of regard to the users will only encourage those impacted to resort to chargebacks.

    All the best for those that had active services. Hope people have made backups they can bring up elsewhere.

    I hope this is an example to other providers of how not to close down services. You never know whether you’ll want to re-enter the game later and leaving with bad blood will only hurt later on. I get that sometimes ceasing over night will be inevitable, but an email or post on the forums you derived customers from costs nothing and takes little time.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @Moopah said: We need LowEndLawyers

    Talked with a friend who is living in Poland at the moment. He consulted a lawyer to review an employment contract he was considering, and it cost him 20 euro. I laughed and said that'd be 10x if not 25x in the US.

    @Smigit said: Can only imagine how much better this would have gone

    Something like this:

    "Hey gang, we've been struggling to get Limewave to a point where it's worth the investment, and after careful consideration, we've realized it's never going to happen.  This is a huge disappointment to all of us.  It's been an awesome journey and we appreciate all of you who've been along for the ride.

    Effectively immediately, we are no longer accepting new customers.  30 days from now, Limewave will cease operations.  We urge everyone to immediately backup their data and migrate to new hosting.  You'll be able to use service to the last day but after that day, service will be switched off with no return.

    If you are waiting for provisioning of services, your order will be canceled and the transaction reversed.  If you've prepaid for annual hosting, you will receive a prorated refund, processed on the last day we're in operation.

    We're sorry things ended this way.  If you have any questions, feel free to open a ticket and we'll get you sorted. <3"

  • @Dvo said: 但说实话,如果我正在为现金而苦苦挣扎,并且需要大量账户来支付运营商和主机托管费用,那我到底为什么要花两块钱买旧的垃圾服务器呢?为什么要获取(并携带)额外的能量?截至目前,它们仍然没有包装,这有点糟糕,

    @Dvo said:
    The problem with exit scams is that fortunately, they don’t exist anymore. What fueled the exit scams was the fact PayPal never allowed refunds for virtual goods or services, today however they are both covered. You may want to go read PayPal’s terms of service. Not sure how I’m running away with people’s money when they’ll get a refund and then PayPal and I will settle later on, it’s not like the money was spent, it’s sitting in a CIBC account since both accounts (PP/Stripe) get dumped almost daily. When dealing with annual accounts, it not wise to put services not rendered on the books i.e. the prepayment, as it’s actually classified as a liability. Who knew?!

    I’m not going to be proactive in refunding, simply because of all the drama with the refunds themselves. If people think paying $12/yr for a service, using the service for 6 months, then charging back the full $12 when they’re only lawfully entitled to a $6 refund, I’m not going to sit there and fuck around with arguing with people. Let them get their $12 refund, I’ll tack on a $200 administrative fee, a $50 charge back fee, the balance due and the interest, then fire the account off to collections. Problem solved.

    Regardless of what people want to believe, the company was profitable. Profitability however isn’t the only metric used when forecasting a company’s future. People need to stop using the word owner and start using the word investor. For me this was an investment and while profitable, the company never hit any of its quarterly targets. Not hitting the targets makes it difficult to forecast the future in terms of its value i.e.putting more resources into a.k.a. what this investment is worth to me.

    It’s also important to understand why those targets failed. It’s not one single issue, it’s multiple issues overall. Yes, the economy isn’t the greatest, yes, we have inflation. Are people’s wages going up? The reason why I say this is because the company never had a strong commercial/corporate customer base, it was mostly hobby companies and VPN users i.e. residential. While I’m not going to complain as revenue is revenue, as people struggle trying to make ends meet, and let’s be honest, if you had to decide between two VPS’s i.e. Limewave or Vultr/DO, you’ll always pick the most established provider and drop the other. That’s fine, business is business. There have been a few, larger providers, very vocal about lack of growth and the economy. Kinda odd for me to bring up struggling customers, isn’t it? 62% of the customer base never paid their bill on time (and yes I did remove the $0.50 late fee), not knocking them, however if you can’t pay a $1.85/mo service on time, it’s either because a) money is tight – OK, not everyone lives in a country where they make a lot of money, I get it or b) the service wasn’t a priority. Now if the service wasn’t a priority, that’s a slight problem, no?

    HE losing their SEA<>Tokyo run didn’t help things either. It’s hard to compete in markets where the company actually found a niche (not that I planned to be a provider in those markets), however the MJJ’s love HE. HE, HE, HE, fuck NTT fuck Cogent. The amount of “can I get single homed HE” tickets was actually surprising, had I known I was going to be a VPN (I mean VPS) host in that market and their love for HE, I never would’ve signed Cogent. I’m sure I could’ve picked up v6 Cogent routes off Wowrack cheap. Meh. But now with the 40-60 ms of additional latency, whatever monthly customers the company had in that market, well… let’s just say 24 hours after HE shit the bed, there was a decent number of cancellations.

    Having a DC tech fat finger some shit in the rack didn’t make things go any smoother. However the work was being done to upgrade the network and add additional power. People ticket in “network is shit” – “I know…”. I can’t pull a fucking rabbit out of my ass and “problem solved”. Doing the upgrade was a huge and I mean HUGE pain in the ass, however once complete, I hate to say it, the last 2 months or so have been probably the best in terms of performance and reliability.

    Now there were some plans made in November to try a small pilot, nothing big, however I did find a deal on some E3-1245v3’s and was planning on doing a dedicated servers out of Seattle. When the network was built, there was never any plans for colocation or dedicated servers meaning the physical infrastructure for the backend was never there. So yes, it’s gonna be a hit or miss in regards to whatever automation solution I picked (pay attention now – the project never got that far) and working out the bugs, the additional power going in was for these servers.

    What it comes down to is that regardless of the capital that went into this location, $43K to launch and another $10K in November, the numbers weren’t there. If people want to believe it was an exit scam, that’s fine. The decision to cease operations wasn’t on the table until the end of the fourth quarter, which is the end of December.

    But let’s be honest, if I’m struggling for cash and need to pump accounts to pay carriers and colocation bills, why in the fuck would I spent two grand on old shit servers? Why pick up (and carry) the additional power? As of right now, they’re still sitting unpackaged and that kinda sucks, because I was looking forward to seeing how things would’ve turned out.

    If I was struggling for cash, why not sell the ports? How many providers here would be interested in, pot luck special, FLAT 10g ports - $200/mo for one and $300/mo for the other – pick your rate and I’ll tell you if it’s Cogent or HE. Anyone in wowrack want my 10g FLAT SIX port, it’s only $75/mo, $550/mo retail btw. I got a killer deal on 40 amps if anyone’s looking for a deal. Anyone looking for a /21 of IPv4 non 4.10, make me an offer. The ports aren’t being sold nor are the IP’s or power.

    It’s not that I didn’t value the customers I had, I did. I’m very grateful for the customers that decided to do business with me, thank you! At the end of the day however, decisions need to be made and it’s just business.

    As for the ARIN updates, yes there are plans. As of right now, I have the rack space just don’t have the free power. The plan as of right now, nothing official, is that I’ll be bringing a few nodes online for a 24 hour period then cycle with the same pattern until all the nodes have had their last day. What I’m waiting for is OVH to approve the BYOIP orders as I figure, it’d be wise to have some form of basic DDoS protection. Once the nodes come online, people can rsync the data off if needed, however the same restrictions as before apply i,e. no outbound SSH, so my advice would be to change the SSH port of the remote host now to avoid any delays when the node comes online. OVH states up for 3 weeks, so tick tock. We all wait.

    For the node that was a total loss, it will be repaired and brought back online so you can recover your data if needed.

    So which node is loss?

  • hbjlee17hbjlee17 Member, Host Rep

    @ehhthing said:

    @kevinds said:

    @greentea said:
    I really liked supporting an independent Canadian Provider, they are so hard to come by in our country. Hopefully someone will take their place.

    FreeRangeCloud fits that and has provided good services.

    I spun up some Vultr systems yesterday though, to temporarily take some of the stuff I had at Limewave until I find a new home..

    If you're fine with pure Cogent, Lunanode is good.

    We are peered with TorIX now

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @raindog308 said:

    @a1195992737 said: If anyone is willing, I am happy to turn this into a class action lawsuit.

    No lawyer is going to take this...not enough money at stake.

    Hire @deank as your lawyer.

  • He should have been banned.I don't really want to read another one of his thousand words of trash talk.

    bruh, I would have expected at least one lie related to a car accident,ICU or the shit.

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  • bruh, I would have expected at least one lie related to a car accident,ICU or the shit.

    a couple of us had privately speculated and hoped that it wasn't related to a health emergency or something equally as bad. his response is utter dogshit imo

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  • @Dvo said:
    The problem with exit scams is that fortunately, they don’t exist anymore. What fueled the exit scams was the fact PayPal never allowed refunds for virtual goods or services, today however they are both covered. You may want to go read PayPal’s terms of service. Not sure how I’m running away with people’s money when they’ll get a refund and then PayPal and I will settle later on, it’s not like the money was spent, it’s sitting in a CIBC account since both accounts (PP/Stripe) get dumped almost daily. When dealing with annual accounts, it not wise to put services not rendered on the books i.e. the prepayment, as it’s actually classified as a liability. Who knew?!

    I’m not going to be proactive in refunding, simply because of all the drama with the refunds themselves. If people think paying $12/yr for a service, using the service for 6 months, then charging back the full $12 when they’re only lawfully entitled to a $6 refund, I’m not going to sit there and fuck around with arguing with people. Let them get their $12 refund, I’ll tack on a $200 administrative fee, a $50 charge back fee, the balance due and the interest, then fire the account off to collections. Problem solved.

    Regardless of what people want to believe, the company was profitable. Profitability however isn’t the only metric used when forecasting a company’s future. People need to stop using the word owner and start using the word investor. For me this was an investment and while profitable, the company never hit any of its quarterly targets. Not hitting the targets makes it difficult to forecast the future in terms of its value i.e.putting more resources into a.k.a. what this investment is worth to me.

    It’s also important to understand why those targets failed. It’s not one single issue, it’s multiple issues overall. Yes, the economy isn’t the greatest, yes, we have inflation. Are people’s wages going up? The reason why I say this is because the company never had a strong commercial/corporate customer base, it was mostly hobby companies and VPN users i.e. residential. While I’m not going to complain as revenue is revenue, as people struggle trying to make ends meet, and let’s be honest, if you had to decide between two VPS’s i.e. Limewave or Vultr/DO, you’ll always pick the most established provider and drop the other. That’s fine, business is business. There have been a few, larger providers, very vocal about lack of growth and the economy. Kinda odd for me to bring up struggling customers, isn’t it? 62% of the customer base never paid their bill on time (and yes I did remove the $0.50 late fee), not knocking them, however if you can’t pay a $1.85/mo service on time, it’s either because a) money is tight – OK, not everyone lives in a country where they make a lot of money, I get it or b) the service wasn’t a priority. Now if the service wasn’t a priority, that’s a slight problem, no?

    HE losing their SEA<>Tokyo run didn’t help things either. It’s hard to compete in markets where the company actually found a niche (not that I planned to be a provider in those markets), however the MJJ’s love HE. HE, HE, HE, fuck NTT fuck Cogent. The amount of “can I get single homed HE” tickets was actually surprising, had I known I was going to be a VPN (I mean VPS) host in that market and their love for HE, I never would’ve signed Cogent. I’m sure I could’ve picked up v6 Cogent routes off Wowrack cheap. Meh. But now with the 40-60 ms of additional latency, whatever monthly customers the company had in that market, well… let’s just say 24 hours after HE shit the bed, there was a decent number of cancellations.

    Having a DC tech fat finger some shit in the rack didn’t make things go any smoother. However the work was being done to upgrade the network and add additional power. People ticket in “network is shit” – “I know…”. I can’t pull a fucking rabbit out of my ass and “problem solved”. Doing the upgrade was a huge and I mean HUGE pain in the ass, however once complete, I hate to say it, the last 2 months or so have been probably the best in terms of performance and reliability.

    Now there were some plans made in November to try a small pilot, nothing big, however I did find a deal on some E3-1245v3’s and was planning on doing a dedicated servers out of Seattle. When the network was built, there was never any plans for colocation or dedicated servers meaning the physical infrastructure for the backend was never there. So yes, it’s gonna be a hit or miss in regards to whatever automation solution I picked (pay attention now – the project never got that far) and working out the bugs, the additional power going in was for these servers.

    What it comes down to is that regardless of the capital that went into this location, $43K to launch and another $10K in November, the numbers weren’t there. If people want to believe it was an exit scam, that’s fine. The decision to cease operations wasn’t on the table until the end of the fourth quarter, which is the end of December.

    But let’s be honest, if I’m struggling for cash and need to pump accounts to pay carriers and colocation bills, why in the fuck would I spent two grand on old shit servers? Why pick up (and carry) the additional power? As of right now, they’re still sitting unpackaged and that kinda sucks, because I was looking forward to seeing how things would’ve turned out.

    If I was struggling for cash, why not sell the ports? How many providers here would be interested in, pot luck special, FLAT 10g ports - $200/mo for one and $300/mo for the other – pick your rate and I’ll tell you if it’s Cogent or HE. Anyone in wowrack want my 10g FLAT SIX port, it’s only $75/mo, $550/mo retail btw. I got a killer deal on 40 amps if anyone’s looking for a deal. Anyone looking for a /21 of IPv4 non 4.10, make me an offer. The ports aren’t being sold nor are the IP’s or power.

    It’s not that I didn’t value the customers I had, I did. I’m very grateful for the customers that decided to do business with me, thank you! At the end of the day however, decisions need to be made and it’s just business.

    As for the ARIN updates, yes there are plans. As of right now, I have the rack space just don’t have the free power. The plan as of right now, nothing official, is that I’ll be bringing a few nodes online for a 24 hour period then cycle with the same pattern until all the nodes have had their last day. What I’m waiting for is OVH to approve the BYOIP orders as I figure, it’d be wise to have some form of basic DDoS protection. Once the nodes come online, people can rsync the data off if needed, however the same restrictions as before apply i,e. no outbound SSH, so my advice would be to change the SSH port of the remote host now to avoid any delays when the node comes online. OVH states up for 3 weeks, so tick tock. We all wait.

    For the node that was a total loss, it will be repaired and brought back online so you can recover your data if needed.

    you're just a cunt with good typing skills.

  • nmslnmsl Member
    edited February 2024

    @Dvo If you had said this a week ago, I think I would have largely accepted your rhetoric, but today, man, you sound like a thief who gets caught and blames the victim for compensation.

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  • Wait so you get 10G ports for 75$ from cogent?

  • @Francisco said:

    @khajiit said:
    so it's happened again lol

    Ah so that’s why KF is down.

    Francisco

    What is KF?

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