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  • 0xbkt0xbkt Member
    edited December 2023

    Guess I have had enough victimization for the rest of my life, man. Thank you for your continued effort in further victimization, but what I have had thus far would be way more than enough.

  • @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    They do not receive service from us, we have made the necessary explanations in the upper sections, the company received their devices and stopped receiving service from us.

    Isn't this your network?
    Traceroute from repuc server

    Tracing route to 85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
    1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr [45.81.114.1]
    2    11 ms    20 ms     7 ms  10.255.16.37
    3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.16.233
    4     8 ms     7 ms     6 ms  10.1.99.101
    5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    

    Otherwise I'd like to point out that my repuc server is offline again and no longer appears in the panel.
    As I expected, it didn't last long.

    "oh no repuc stole our network!"

    Thanked by 2host_c fart
  • @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    They do not receive service from us, we have made the necessary explanations in the upper sections, the company received their devices and stopped receiving service from us.

    Isn't this your network?
    Traceroute from repuc server

    Tracing route to 85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
    1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr [45.81.114.1]
    2    11 ms    20 ms     7 ms  10.255.16.37
    3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.16.233
    4     8 ms     7 ms     6 ms  10.1.99.101
    5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    

    I did this traceroute yesterday when my server was available.

    Otherwise I'd like to point out that my repuc server is offline again and no longer appears in the panel.
    As I expected, it didn't last long.

    We do not have such an ip address, it is used by different companies within the same data centre, this ip address is rented by the datacenter to the companies for a fee.

  • @awmbilisim said:

    @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    They do not receive service from us, we have made the necessary explanations in the upper sections, the company received their devices and stopped receiving service from us.

    Isn't this your network?
    Traceroute from repuc server

    Tracing route to 85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
    1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr [45.81.114.1]
    2    11 ms    20 ms     7 ms  10.255.16.37
    3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.16.233
    4     8 ms     7 ms     6 ms  10.1.99.101
    5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    

    I did this traceroute yesterday when my server was available.

    Otherwise I'd like to point out that my repuc server is offline again and no longer appears in the panel.
    As I expected, it didn't last long.

    We do not have such an ip address, it is used by different companies within the same data centre, this ip address is rented by the datacenter to the companies for a fee.

    weird, if it so then why different companies within the same datacenter would use your gateway except if they are using your network?

    Thanked by 1totally_not_banned
  • @awmbilisim said:

    @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    They do not receive service from us, we have made the necessary explanations in the upper sections, the company received their devices and stopped receiving service from us.

    Isn't this your network?
    Traceroute from repuc server

    Tracing route to 85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
    1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr [45.81.114.1]
    2    11 ms    20 ms     7 ms  10.255.16.37
    3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.16.233
    4     8 ms     7 ms     6 ms  10.1.99.101
    5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    

    I did this traceroute yesterday when my server was available.

    Otherwise I'd like to point out that my repuc server is offline again and no longer appears in the panel.
    As I expected, it didn't last long.

    We do not have such an ip address, it is used by different companies within the same data centre, this ip address is rented by the datacenter to the companies for a fee.

    So the servers were moved to the same datacenter? To another rack?
    That's the new explanation?

  • /24 Our ip address is rented to customers registered in our profile on ipxo belongs to us /24 As we stated, the person received their devices, did not receive their ip address, the ip address belongs to us.

  • @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:

    @remy said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    They do not receive service from us, we have made the necessary explanations in the upper sections, the company received their devices and stopped receiving service from us.

    Isn't this your network?
    Traceroute from repuc server

    Tracing route to 85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
    1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr [45.81.114.1]
    2    11 ms    20 ms     7 ms  10.255.16.37
    3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  172.16.16.233
    4     8 ms     7 ms     6 ms  10.1.99.101
    5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  85.153.142.163.pendns.net [85.153.142.163]
    

    I did this traceroute yesterday when my server was available.

    Otherwise I'd like to point out that my repuc server is offline again and no longer appears in the panel.
    As I expected, it didn't last long.

    We do not have such an ip address, it is used by different companies within the same data centre, this ip address is rented by the datacenter to the companies for a fee.

    So the servers were moved to the same datacenter? To another rack?
    That's the new explanation?

    There's obviously some mysterious third guy now reselling @awmbilisim to @repuc. What a shitshow...

    Thanked by 2dahartigan fart
  • The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

  • There is no logic in what you say, it is not our business where the company moves its servers, we have stated that they will receive service from a different company, it does not concern us much, the path of the person who wants to exit is open as with every customer.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited December 2023

    @dev_vps said:

    @awmbilisim said:

    We met Fatihhan Durukan thanks to a friend of ours, we were looking for an employee, he suggested him and Fatihhan Durukan came and started working with us and a certain period of time passed, the person was dismissed at the end of the day due to the fact that he did not leave the habits of coming late to work and postponing the work and did not work with him again.

    @awmbilisim said:

    I guess the necessary explanations did not convince you, what kind of explanation are you still waiting for? We do not understand why our clear and transparent explanation still does not convince you, should we lie to convince you?

    Did Mr. Durukan worked for you for the duration of 2 years or more?

    if Yes, please share the duration
    if No, why his LinkedIn profile still shows your company as employer

    @awmbilisim
    Are you willing to answer these questions

  • Asl4nAsl4n Barred
    edited December 2023

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    This IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But this IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    Thanked by 2remy SinV
  • @dev_vps said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @awmbilisim said:

    We met Fatihhan Durukan thanks to a friend of ours, we were looking for an employee, he suggested him and Fatihhan Durukan came and started working with us and a certain period of time passed, the person was dismissed at the end of the day due to the fact that he did not leave the habits of coming late to work and postponing the work and did not work with him again.

    @awmbilisim said:

    I guess the necessary explanations did not convince you, what kind of explanation are you still waiting for? We do not understand why our clear and transparent explanation still does not convince you, should we lie to convince you?

    Did Mr. Durukan worked for you for the duration of 2 years or more?

    if Yes, please share the duration
    if No, why his LinkedIn profile still shows your company as employer

    @awmbilisim
    Are you willing to answer these questions

    We have worked with the person 2 times, there have been short periods, there have not been long periods, if we add up the average 2 periods, he has worked with us for 1.5 years.

  • @KaanArs said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    This IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But this IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    I suggest you do some research on the formation of the Pendc data centre, it would be nice for you to be a little more knowledgeable on both sides because at least you will make informed comments and you know 2 different companies and you can do very simple research and reach the result directly because you are Turkish, but as we mentioned, who will defame someone different or who will make a bad comment, I hope no one will take your task away from you and you know that we are 2 different and unconnected companies.

  • Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

  • kenjing789kenjing789 Member
    edited December 2023

    @Maelstrom36 said:
    Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

    Should ask @remy who got server up , the one i have (4 ip cuz he replaced my vds 4 times) owned by @awmbilisim but it never alive after @repuc got crash so i believe he telling the truth

  • @awmbilisim if I were you I would just go away for a while, maybe a few months? This is becoming super embarrassing.

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited December 2023

    @awmbilisim said: You have no right to put the photos of my employees and the person named Fatihhan durukan does not actively use the profile

    How do you know that he isn't actively using it? You know what I'll ask someone to post this bullshit on r10.net so everyone will be aware of you doing a scam.

    It'll just take some time until Paytr or any processor that you've used will receive a few thousand chargebacks that are on their way already.

    Enjoy!

    @awmbilisim said:
    Even 1 of our customers is not complaining about the service we provide, we are doing honest and correct trade, we have not yet understood why you still have a bad approach.

    How old are you?

    Your friend is just 21 years old and you know who have helped him? It's you, lol!


    LET is Amazing, so many scammers nowadays.
    Repuc was incorporated on
    21 November 2023 https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/15298621

    Fatih did get his VAT on 14.11.2023
    Image redacted by Moderator.

    [...]

    Content redacted by Moderator.

  • @KaanArs said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    These IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But these IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    @kenjing789 said:

    @Maelstrom36 said:
    Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

    Should ask @remy who got server up , the one i have (4 ip cuz he replaced my vds 4 times) owned by @awmbilisim but it never alive after @repuc got crash so i believe he telling the truth

    Sorry, the server is no longer online.
    The tracert command I ran was from yesterday.

    I don't think I'll be able to access it again to investigate further.

  • @DP said:
    Despite the ongoing discussion, @repuc remains largely uninvolved and has not shown any signs of attempting to address the issues as we're still seeing reports of services not being deployed, tickets unanswered, ticket deleted, orders and account(s) being deleted (?) etc.

    Not trying to be Judge Dredd or anything, but to be honest, I don't want to drag this any further nor do I have the time to thoroughly "investigate" these individuals and what their intentions may be, but based on what has been shared and gathered so far, a lot of it just don't make any sense.

    In light of this, and in the best interest of the community, I have made the decision to prohibit both companies, @repuc and @awmbilisim, from conducting further business on this forum.

    @remy said:

    @KaanArs said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    These IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But these IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    @kenjing789 said:

    @Maelstrom36 said:
    Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

    Should ask @remy who got server up , the one i have (4 ip cuz he replaced my vds 4 times) owned by @awmbilisim but it never alive after @repuc got crash so i believe he telling the truth

    Sorry, the server is no longer online.
    The tracert command I ran was from yesterday.

    I don't think I'll be able to access it again to investigate further.

    The war is over, you can return home now field reporter @remy

    Thanked by 1remy
  • @remy said:

    @KaanArs said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    These IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But these IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    @kenjing789 said:

    @Maelstrom36 said:
    Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

    Should ask @remy who got server up , the one i have (4 ip cuz he replaced my vds 4 times) owned by @awmbilisim but it never alive after @repuc got crash so i believe he telling the truth

    Sorry, the server is no longer online.
    The tracert command I ran was from yesterday.

    I don't think I'll be able to access it again to investigate further.

    Just list all IP you ever received from @repuc. Old or new, dead or alive.

  • remyremy Member
    edited December 2023

    @Maelstrom36 said:

    @remy said:

    @KaanArs said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    The ip addresses belonging to us are not open to uses other than our company, the company you specified receives service directly from the data centre, they do not receive service from us in active, you misunderstand and misinterpret everything we say.

    These IP class (85.153.142.0/24) is owned by datacenter, correct.

    But these IP class is not rented by you or a company that uses co-location service of you is a LIE

    If these ip addresses were used by a company that in same datacenter with you but different cabinette, then gateway IP addresses when you tracert any ip address in the class must be different, but at the moment it shows your gateway, which means these ip addresses are rented by your company.

    @kenjing789 said:

    @Maelstrom36 said:
    Which subnet does @repuc have their VPS servers in? Does anyone know?

    Should ask @remy who got server up , the one i have (4 ip cuz he replaced my vds 4 times) owned by @awmbilisim but it never alive after @repuc got crash so i believe he telling the truth

    Sorry, the server is no longer online.
    The tracert command I ran was from yesterday.

    I don't think I'll be able to access it again to investigate further.

    Just list all IP you ever received from @repuc. Old or new, dead or alive.

    Misread sorry
    45.81.114.53

    Online yersterday after server "relocation"

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited December 2023

    @awmbilisim said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @awmbilisim said:

    We met Fatihhan Durukan thanks to a friend of ours, we were looking for an employee, he suggested him and Fatihhan Durukan came and started working with us and a certain period of time passed, the person was dismissed at the end of the day due to the fact that he did not leave the habits of coming late to work and postponing the work and did not work with him again.

    @awmbilisim said:

    I guess the necessary explanations did not convince you, what kind of explanation are you still waiting for? We do not understand why our clear and transparent explanation still does not convince you, should we lie to convince you?

    Did Mr. Durukan worked for you for the duration of 2 years or more?

    if Yes, please share the duration
    if No, why his LinkedIn profile still shows your company as employer

    @awmbilisim
    Are you willing to answer these questions

    We have worked with the person 2 times, there have been short periods, there have not been long periods, if we add up the average 2 periods, he has worked with us for 1.5 years.

    Of course, you will continue to use certain periods to hide the details.

    So what actions, if any, are you planning to take against that person who still has YOUR COMPANY as his employer on his LinkedIn profile?

    After all, he is a close friend of yours who used to come late when working for you and you also claimed that he was a thorough unprofessional person.

  • alexvolkalexvolk Member
    edited December 2023

    Misread sorry
    45.81.114.53

    Online yersterday after server "relocation"

    @awmbilisim no relation at all now?

    https://bgp.he.net/AS47436#_prefixes

    Holy shit, only 6 IPs active from /24 subnet.

    Hostname IP
    16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr 45.81.114.1
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.3
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.4
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.5
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.6
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.10
  • Being banned from the forum or being unauthorised means nothing to us We have existing lowendtalk customers and they are all satisfied and we still respond to their requests and fulfil incoming orders I hope at the end of the day you believe what we say and realise we are different companies There is not much left to say anymore, we keep repeating the same things and there is not much left in a conversation. When the question was first asked to us, we talked about everything for the repuc, we gave the same answers and we still give the same answers. Nothing has changed for us, we have been serving under the name awmbilisim since 2018 and we will continue to serve our customers in a satisfied way, you will understand what we say in the future and you will agree. We do not need the money to come through Lowendtalk, we just wanted to serve every customer base globally. If you do research on the money that will come from here, you will understand that we do not need it. The only point that upsets us is that you make statements as if we have harmed you, but you have lost your money, you have been harmed, you are trying to find the person who harmed you, we understand, but we want you to know that we are not like that, that's all we want to say, we don't want to make too many explanations anymore because there are the same questions, we started making the same explanations and it started to be a little funny.

  • dev_vpsdev_vps Member
    edited December 2023

    @awmbilisim said:
    Being banned from the forum or being unauthorised means nothing to us We have existing lowendtalk customers and they are all satisfied and we still respond to their requests and fulfil incoming orders I hope at the end of the day you believe what we say and realise we are different companies There is not much left to say anymore, we keep repeating the same things and there is not much left in a conversation. When the question was first asked to us, we talked about everything for the repuc, we gave the same answers and we still give the same answers. Nothing has changed for us, we have been serving under the name awmbilisim since 2018 and we will continue to serve our customers in a satisfied way, you will understand what we say in the future and you will agree. We do not need the money to come through Lowendtalk, we just wanted to serve every customer base globally. If you do research on the money that will come from here, you will understand that we do not need it. The only point that upsets us is that you make statements as if we have harmed you, but you have lost your money, you have been harmed, you are trying to find the person who harmed you, we understand, but we want you to know that we are not like that, that's all we want to say, we don't want to make too many explanations anymore because there are the same questions, we started making the same explanations and it started to be a little funny.

    what actions, if any, are you planning to take against that person @repuc

    who still has YOUR COMPANY as his employer on his LinkedIn profile?

  • @awmbilisim said:
    Being banned from the forum or being unauthorised means nothing to us We have existing lowendtalk customers and they are all satisfied and we still respond to their requests and fulfil incoming orders I hope at the end of the day you believe what we say and realise we are different companies There is not much left to say anymore, we keep repeating the same things and there is not much left in a conversation. When the question was first asked to us, we talked about everything for the repuc, we gave the same answers and we still give the same answers. Nothing has changed for us, we have been serving under the name awmbilisim since 2018 and we will continue to serve our customers in a satisfied way, you will understand what we say in the future and you will agree. We do not need the money to come through Lowendtalk, we just wanted to serve every customer base globally. If you do research on the money that will come from here, you will understand that we do not need it. The only point that upsets us is that you make statements as if we have harmed you, but you have lost your money, you have been harmed, you are trying to find the person who harmed you, we understand, but we want you to know that we are not like that, that's all we want to say, we don't want to make too many explanations anymore because there are the same questions, we started making the same explanations and it started to be a little funny.

    you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence you say you can show proof where is your proof you say you will upload evidence where is your evidence

  • @alexvolk said:

    Misread sorry
    45.81.114.53

    Online yersterday after server "relocation"

    @awmbilisim no relation at all now?

    https://bgp.he.net/AS47436#_prefixes

    Holy shit, only 6 IPs active from /24 subnet.

    Hostname IP
    16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr 45.81.114.1
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.3
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.4
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.5
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.6
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.10

    ip addresses belong to awmbilisim company When the company named repuc left, it passed under the use of awmbilisim again ip address

  • @awmbilisim said:

    @alexvolk said:

    Misread sorry
    45.81.114.53

    Online yersterday after server "relocation"

    @awmbilisim no relation at all now?

    https://bgp.he.net/AS47436#_prefixes

    Holy shit, only 6 IPs active from /24 subnet.

    Hostname IP
    16--bursa-core5-gateway.awm.com.tr 45.81.114.1
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.3
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.4
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.5
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.6
    turkey.repuc.com 45.81.114.10

    ip addresses belong to awmbilisim company When the company named repuc left, it passed under the use of awmbilisim again ip address

    My server was online yesterday with this IP which belongs to you.
    How do you explain that?

  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

  • @dev_vps said:

    @awmbilisim said:
    Being banned from the forum or being unauthorised means nothing to us We have existing lowendtalk customers and they are all satisfied and we still respond to their requests and fulfil incoming orders I hope at the end of the day you believe what we say and realise we are different companies There is not much left to say anymore, we keep repeating the same things and there is not much left in a conversation. When the question was first asked to us, we talked about everything for the repuc, we gave the same answers and we still give the same answers. Nothing has changed for us, we have been serving under the name awmbilisim since 2018 and we will continue to serve our customers in a satisfied way, you will understand what we say in the future and you will agree. We do not need the money to come through Lowendtalk, we just wanted to serve every customer base globally. If you do research on the money that will come from here, you will understand that we do not need it. The only point that upsets us is that you make statements as if we have harmed you, but you have lost your money, you have been harmed, you are trying to find the person who harmed you, we understand, but we want you to know that we are not like that, that's all we want to say, we don't want to make too many explanations anymore because there are the same questions, we started making the same explanations and it started to be a little funny.

    what actions, if any, are you planning to take against that person @repuc

    who still has YOUR COMPANY as his employer on his LinkedIn profile?

    We do not actively use the Linkedin section, if you look at it, you will see that the person seems to have written and left it, and our former employees are still writing in their profile, so if you look at them, you will see that we do not follow much because we do not actively use them.

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