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★ VirMach ★ Fashionably Late Black Friday & Cyber Week 2020 ★ Flash Deals ★ View inside ★ $7/Yr 512M

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  • @VirMach said:
    Okay I'm falling asleep, let's do something exciting.

    You have 30 minutes to vote.
    https://strawpoll.com/419ao3e2c

    You sneaky one! :tongue:

  • $13.25/yr
    KVM - 1 GIGABIT
    384MB RAM
    1 vCORE
    15GB SSD (RAID 10)
    389GB BANDWIDTH
    DALLAS, TX LOCATION
    1 DEDICATED IPv4

  • @VirMach said:

    @ddhhz said: Trying to access any product detail page returns 524 timeout as well, I guess it's one of those pages that is harder to load than others.

    Strange, I can't replicate that. Can you private message me the specific link/service and it's after 100 seconds of loading?

    Currently, "Critical Error, Could not connect to the database".

    Did you want to borrow a Virmach Windows RDP from Seattle so you can test from a machine outside your local network?

  • Where is the epic $8.8 :'( ?

  • Thanked by 1FAT32
  • $10.91/yr
    KVM - 1 GIGABIT
    640MB RAM
    1 vCORE
    10GB SSD (RAID 10)
    650GB BANDWIDTH
    DALLAS, TX LOCATION
    1 DEDICATED IPv4

  • 524524 524524524524.............always 524,so terrible

  • @merlinvn said:
    Where is the epic $8.8 :'( ?

    524

  • yep,always 524,so terrible...

  • only 524

    Thanked by 1greattomeetyou
  • KVM 524 :'(

    Thanked by 1corbpie
  • $19.61/yr
    KVM - 1 GIGABIT
    WINDOWS AVAILABLE
    1792MB RAM
    2 vCORE
    20GB SSD (RAID 10)
    1301GB BANDWIDTH
    DALLAS, TX LOCATION
    1 DEDICATED IPv4

  • 我的狗喜欢从阴囊里舔花生酱

  • $24.91/yr
    KVM - 1 GIGABIT
    WINDOWS AVAILABLE
    1792MB RAM
    2 vCORE
    30GB SSD (RAID 10)
    1340GB BANDWIDTH
    LOS ANGELES, CA LOCATION
    1 DEDICATED IPv4

    Circulating deals now.

  • brueggusbrueggus Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @blackpoor said:
    524524 524524524524.............always 524,so terrible

    @ravenchad said:

    @merlinvn said:
    Where is the epic $8.8 :'( ?

    524

    @zhouyang said:
    yep,always 524,so terrible...

    @beibei said:
    only 524

    In the meantime, I'll let you have a look at my $8.88-special:

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2020-11-20                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Thu Dec  3 02:03:47 EST 2020
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : QEMU Virtual CPU version (cpu64-rhel6)
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 2499.998 MHz
    AES-NI     : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 1.8 GiB
    Swap       : 256.0 MiB
    Disk       : 44.0 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 70.71 MB/s   (17.6k) | 711.68 MB/s  (11.1k)
    Write      | 70.90 MB/s   (17.7k) | 715.43 MB/s  (11.1k)
    Total      | 141.62 MB/s  (35.4k) | 1.42 GB/s    (22.2k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.01 GB/s     (1.9k) | 1.10 GB/s     (1.0k)
    Write      | 1.07 GB/s     (2.0k) | 1.18 GB/s     (1.1k)
    Total      | 2.09 GB/s     (4.0k) | 2.28 GB/s     (2.2k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 1.16 Gbits/sec  | 1.23 Gbits/sec 
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 445 Mbits/sec   | 1.00 Gbits/sec 
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 1.08 Gbits/sec  | 929 Mbits/sec  
    Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | busy            | busy           
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 1.82 Gbits/sec  | 1.47 Gbits/sec 
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 2.09 Gbits/sec  | 2.33 Gbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 7.03 Gbits/sec  | 3.12 Gbits/sec 
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 407                           
    Multi Core      | 788                           
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5128282
    

    Mmmmmmh, juicy!

    Thanked by 2dTQzBen8 Chronic
  • @brueggus said:

    @blackpoor said:
    524524 524524524524.............always 524,so terrible

    @ravenchad said:

    @merlinvn said:
    Where is the epic $8.8 :'( ?

    524

    @zhouyang said:
    yep,always 524,so terrible...

    @beibei said:
    only 524

    In the meantime, I'll let you have a look at my $8.88-special:

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2020-11-20                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Thu Dec  3 02:03:47 EST 2020
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : QEMU Virtual CPU version (cpu64-rhel6)
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 2499.998 MHz
    AES-NI     : ❌ Disabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 1.8 GiB
    Swap       : 256.0 MiB
    Disk       : 44.0 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 70.71 MB/s   (17.6k) | 711.68 MB/s  (11.1k)
    Write      | 70.90 MB/s   (17.7k) | 715.43 MB/s  (11.1k)
    Total      | 141.62 MB/s  (35.4k) | 1.42 GB/s    (22.2k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.01 GB/s     (1.9k) | 1.10 GB/s     (1.0k)
    Write      | 1.07 GB/s     (2.0k) | 1.18 GB/s     (1.1k)
    Total      | 2.09 GB/s     (4.0k) | 2.28 GB/s     (2.2k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 1.16 Gbits/sec  | 1.23 Gbits/sec 
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 445 Mbits/sec   | 1.00 Gbits/sec 
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 1.08 Gbits/sec  | 929 Mbits/sec  
    Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | busy            | busy           
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 1.82 Gbits/sec  | 1.47 Gbits/sec 
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 2.09 Gbits/sec  | 2.33 Gbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 7.03 Gbits/sec  | 3.12 Gbits/sec 
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 407                           
    Multi Core      | 788                           
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/5128282
    

    Mmmmmmh, juicy!

    Still waiting my pending $8.88. :neutral:

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited December 2020

    @jtcx said:

    @Edmond said:
    It was just working.... and now 524: Timeout... rip Virmach. :(

    Yep... we like these deals too much. This WHMCS software sounds like something a middle school kid put together for a science project or something. Nobody actually pays for this crap, right? (j/k)

    WHMCS is fine for what it was designed for... It's just not built for high-concurrency scenarios. For example I don't think it does any locking or concurrency control so it's easy to sell more stock than you actually have if multiple people are placing orders at the same time. That's usually fine 99% of the time, when you don't have thousand of people trying to buy hosting at the same time. Something built for high concurrency would use semaphores during the order flow, or at least a FIFO queue, in order to only allow one order at a time per hosting package, but that's non-trivial in PHP given it has barely any shared memory primitives (just APC). And once you bring in something like Redis, your system gets quite a bit more complicated.

    tl;dr building something that works well with a large number of concurrent users is hard, so WHMCS took the easy approach that satisfies the 99% use case.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • codydobycodydoby Member
    edited December 2020

    @codydoby said:

    @VirMach said: I can't replicate your situation, you'll have to provide more details. I assume if you're not close to the server's location it may time out sometimes but you should eventually be able to achieve interactions with the website.

    I am on one of the Windows 2012 server bought last year from Virmach. It tells me this when I am trying to login in my Virmach accounts. What is more, it is more than 12 hours.

    Same as yesterday, even more serious

  • @VirMach Hello, I see flash shopping has been going on, but the website account can't be opened normally. What's the meaning of continuing flash shopping

  • @luyunlong said:
    @VirMach Hello, I see flash shopping has been going on, but the website account can't be opened normally. What's the meaning of continuing flash shopping

    Stress testing

  • there's no way this continues, we are missing a lot of good deals :s

  • @VirMach, credits where credits due. While i still view the billing and client area are shitty beyond any recognition, as per many previous comments i made, i am not retrack back any of those comments. However my service had been provisioned and i finish setting up and using it right now. Yes, the server quality is good, really good. It is very awesome for the price. I am going to keep the server instead looking for a refund.

    Yes, for what its worth, i am being critical about the qaulity of the website and client area, and your sacarsm while KEEPING the server as the end product is good. Call me anything you want but i believe it is only responsible for me to reply directly to you about my decision the same place where i bashing you for my disatisfaction.

  • And even after 10 hours I still can't pay my bills yet because of this flash sale hogging the billing panel 😑

  • tuctuc Member
    edited December 2020

    i paid for two vps 36 hours ago, which are listed in my account but yet unable to use as well as to check them from the list of services.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    @forces said: Yes, for what its worth, i am being critical about the qaulity of the website and client area, and your sacarsm while KEEPING the server as the end product is good. Call me anything you want but i believe it is only responsible for me to reply directly to you about my decision the same place where i bashing you for my disatisfaction.

    This is pretty much 100% confirmed to be due to WHMCS and the new way the user system works in the latest version.

    We're waiting on advice from WHMCS and it's been difficult as they initially blamed us and our configuration, and said they could not replicate it in their test environment. Of course, this is because it works perfectly fine if you do not have hundreds of thousands of users. So to answer you less sarcastically, the reason our website is like this and other hosts' aren't during their sale is most likely due to the fact that we have 6 years of users in a big table and WHMCS recently decided to (and don't quote me on this, I've barely slept but everything appears to point to this) change the user system, resulting in them running this query every single time a client is involved in any way.

    Here's a sample, it's not actually the real syntax because Cloudflare won't let me post it.

    select tblusers.*, tblusers_clients.client_id as pivot_client_id, tblusers_clients.auth_user_id as pivot_auth_user_id, tblusers_clients.created_at as pivot_created_at, tblusers_clients.updated_at as pivot_updated_at, tblusers_clients.owner as pivot_owner, tblusers_clients.permissions as pivot_permissions, tblusers_clients.last_login as pivot_last_login from tblusers inner join tblusers_clients on tblusers.id = tblusers_clients.auth_user_id where tblusers_clients.client_id = ? and owner = ? order by tblusers.id asc limit 1

    This happens every time a client is mentioned. So if you're logged in, on every page. Any ticket we open, pretty much anything.

    @Daniel15 said: WHMCS is fine for what it was designed for... It's just not built for high-concurrency scenarios. For example I don't think it does any locking or concurrency control so it's easy to sell more stock than you actually have if multiple people are placing orders at the same time. That's usually fine 99% of the time, when you don't have thousand of people trying to buy hosting at the same time. Something built for high concurrency would use semaphores during the order flow, or at least a FIFO queue, in order to only allow one order at a time per hosting package, but that's non-trivial in PHP given it has barely any shared memory primitives (just APC). And once you bring in something like Redis, your system gets quite a bit more complicated.

    tl;dr building something that works well with a large number of concurrent users is hard, so WHMCS took the easy approach that satisfies the 99% use case.

    We can deal with that issue you described, which does exist, but it seems like the real culprit is the user system change I described above and it's all fine and dandy until you have more than something like 30,000 customers.

    Previously they didn't do it this way, they "improved" it and this happened for us.

    It was manageable when we didn't also have thousands of these customers online, yes, but we saw some issues with it already before this sale (at the time it was inconclusive.) That's why we had to disable our customers' review page, because every time it referenced a customer it did one of these queries.

  • VirMachVirMach Member, Patron Provider

    Flash sales are being ended temporarily in the hopes that it calms down. We'll be back with the flash sales on Friday, let's say around 6PM PST.

    We'll update with more information on the flash sale page.

    Thanked by 3RecD tuc user123
  • @VirMach said: This happens every time a client is mentioned. So if you're logged in, on every page. Any ticket we open, pretty much anything.

    I feel filthy just reading this. At the scale of WHMCS, one would hope they would be able to afford half-decent programmers.

    Thanked by 2yoursunny VirMach
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    @VirMach How about those 5 custom deals :(

    Anyway please read PM thanks

  • NeoonNeoon Community Contributor, Veteran

    Well, the system needs to verify if a logged in session is still valid, so a query every time does not sound wrong.
    However, the query looks way to complex for just verifying that.

    Of course if you have a big database, it may suck a lot when you have a slow query getting executed every time someone is logged in.

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