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As was I with my post
These chips are dirty cheap now.
Check http://www.ebay.com/itm/262118101167
And same applies to the ECC RAMs.
I'd say good price, but not dirty cheap though.
The amount of Delimiter hate just confirms how good these are.
They're cheap. Hardware costs are lower, but they're quite expensive to run.
There's definitely hate, but it's not coming from our end
Yep, definitely no hate whatsoever!
You're mistaking facts for hate.
They are not mutually exclusive kiddo. There is more in depth information posted here in a matter of hours than Delimiter managed to scrounge together for its multi-day outage post mortem.
We're quite familiar with these machines
Obviously, the Delimiter guys have more than enough reason to point out flaws in competition, but they have shared some information that is good to know. My thought is that if you have to attack the person, it's probably because you lack the ability to attack their words. Consider for a moment that this might mean that their words were a reasonable contribution to this thread, regardless of intent.
@mikeyur so what ? I feel jealousy in your and @MarkTurner 's posts.
this is how I read your messages:
"We wanted to use these servers. But after long hours of thinking and exploring these servers, we thought that they were not suitable in hosting environment, and we can not trust ourselves that we can deal with these servers, so we did forgot them, although they were ultra cheap to own. But now WSI @AaronW bought a lot of them and managed to offer services building around them , and having great feedback here.. What have we done.. But , But ,, we found them first.... "
you both are like kids whose toys are taken away from them
next time you found something in the wild, be the first one to deliver it to masses. This time WSI beat you up. Acknowledge your mistake and show some respect
You're free to read into my posts however you like. I was not the first to address the issues in this thread, but I did expand on them.
If that's how you perceive the Delimiter rep's replies then that's all you'll see them as.
I, as someone who is currently a customer of WSI and was previously a customer of Delimiter welcome their knowledge and experience to this thread. They're pointing out ways these machines are going to be a hassle for both WSI and the end user. They are not bagging WSI at all for going for these systems, in fact if you pop over to the $10 WSI thread you'll see Mark offering the WSI rep suggestions on how to get certain OS's and Kernal's running.
You also need to remember that this is a non-official offer thread, it wasn't posted by the WSI rep. Merely by another user, all members of the forum should be allowed to contribute.
More in-dept knowledge is always a good thing. It's personal attack we should all avoid. Arguing point to point is always fine.
Delimiter has all retired enterprise level gears from its parent company and managed to fit them in to LET budget. Where as WSI is expert to make non-standard DC hardwares stable enough in a large scale.
Both of them has good products delivered to us with good price, even though they done that by totally different approach.
As a lowend consumer, I am happy to see more variety of product available and willing learned and accept different point of views.
Wouldn't tagging your switch port solve this issue? Pretty normal to do that...
So a benchmark thread turn into a drama then...
I was considering one, but 1 drive maximum? they need to give themselves a shake.
Of course they are, it's standard practice for them to slag anything their competitors offer and spam their sigs all over the threads. Official offer thread or not, the practice is disappointing.
Waiting for all of the WSI sucks threads mentioning the items the Delimiter folks pointed out.
I remember some posts on other forums talking about the issues mentioned here months ago by early adopters of the systems.
These are new with WSI so let's see how things play out in a few months.
These only make sense as part of a pure Linux compute cluster.
Would be a great deal if purchasing 3-4 with private vlan.
I am toying with the idea of a rpi3 kubernetes cluster at home.
Open source commodity Cluster technology is HERE.
I bet you are.
Don't they sell extra ips? Because there is no option
Anyone know if they allow VMware ESXi or Windows Server 2012 r2 install? This seems to be a good deal. Maybe we can use these boxes for our addition virtual infrastructure.
To add some clarifications - we have seen these machines, we were offered quite a few when they were ripped out of Facebook about a year ago.
We tested them for suitability for hosting and they were deficient in many ways:
Lets translate this into real world customer terms:
These units are selling for $100/unit right now, add a couple of E5-2670 $50/proc, some RAM $50-75 and for $250 you have a 'server'. They are cheaper than every system we use, so if we believed they were suitable for hosting services - trust me we'd be buying them.
As compute nodes in a private datacentre, these are a fantastic buy, you are not going to find a cheaper system. But for public dedicated hosting, the functionality is not there and the lack of kernel compatibility is a real pain.
IMHO, it's perfect for computing grid. R, Matlab, stream processing, Hadoop worker node etc.. So many software is now having redundancy built on server node level and they were designed to run on "commodity hardware". These type of hardware is perfect for that use case.
Myself also have bad experience on used fb servers, one chassis power half die and causing the cluster under my managed offline for 2 days. Then I learned never build a cluster on a single rack of used server only.
Where can you actually buy those units?
eBay.
This is a quality post. Maybe you should stick to this account. I am curious then, for customers like me, why hosts are not more excited by these prospects. As a cash strapped startup, if we're going to spend $10k/mo on spark/memsql/redis clusters, we have to stretch that as far as we can. The absolute amount of spend may not be "low end" but we are certainly low end customers (in that we prioritize price over ancillary services and reputation). We started deploying at OVH because WSI didn't have inventory, but just a comment on the market needs, you are going to see a lot more people wanting these machines. They worked at Facebook for a reason, and they will work for other customers...and arguably at more than $99. They may not be great for your average summer hosts or Minecraft server, but the world is bigger than LET.
Also, are the units that were ripped out of Facebook still trading at those prices? Would you be able to get your hands on some? My issues with Delimiter aside, at the end of the day we are trying to minimize our price/performance metric. If you could get some, I might be interested in a colo deal.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XQuanta+E5-2670.TRS0&_nkw=Quanta+E5-2670&_sacat=0
All my posts are high quality
We won't be using these units, despite how cheap they are. They have no place in a public facing datacentre.
They worked at Facebook because their infrastructure is private (trusted networking), when a box fails, there are another 24,999 to take over. They booted over PXE for the majority of them so there were no local workloads. The local disks from what I heard were scratch disks but all OS/data was pulled over the network as required.
In the scale-out environment, you cut a lot of cornes on the product because its about ultra-high volume with regular failure an expectation which is built into the deployment formula.
Windmill v1 (these units) were Facebooks first mass implementation of OCP, for their application these were fine ie for private datacentre where you can factor in failure. But in smaller deployments the loss of one or more servers can be catastrophic and you have no way to investigate that failure when it happens.
Forgive me for being blunt, but I don't see how anyone can be so hard on cash that they're willing to risk any single part of their startup to this:
I'm sorry @iwaswrongonce but that's not about budget, that's simply absurd to accept that kind of risk as an acceptable situation. No matter what that machine is doing or how public it's data is, there can be no scenario in which the system is this vulnerable, performs any production task (redundant or not), and has no potential to impact your service/product when compromised.
That's pure carelessness well beyond the typical LET mindset of "Well it's cheap so it's worth the risk." Most people act like that toward downtime if it's cheap, not blatant security vulnerabilities.
If you're purchasing this, you should demand a detailed explanation of how WSI has mitigated this concern. Ignoring it is definitely a huge mistake.
They clearly worked at Facebook because they weren't rented out to third parties, every tenant could trust the other because there was only one tenant.