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Don't think you tagged enough of your current ISPs.
I remember you pushing HVH dedicated for a while in numerous threads whenever they were mentioned, so par for the course.
It seems like everyone is admitting that Delimiters sales is their Achilles heel. Hopefully they will get it under control.
Exactly. If I like a provider I defend them. Just like my customers do for me. I've been in business for almost 10 years and have not had a single customer leave.
I don't advertise here or anywhere for that matter.
I use @QPS, @Ernie, and have also used @VolumeDrive and never had a complaint from customers.
As long as the provider communicates issues to me so I can relay the info to customers then I don't care about issues coming up.
Like I said. All of the above providers do that for me. You're welcome to like or hate whomever you want. This is just my opinion.
Understood. Just felt a bit off when you tagged VD 5 times in one post, QPS 3.
The trade off of hands-on support with a sub-optimal network is more than worth it for some.
Did not mean to imply anything else. Have always felt there is no 'best host' in general, it will vary customer per customer.
@Kris fair enough. I just am used to mentioning people when I am referring to them just so they and everyone else knows.
Like I said the network at VD does need work but Josh is actively trying to get it resolved.
The poo slinging between them and Delimiter is stupid but I would be mad too if someone like @MarkTurner was here talking trash when his brand isn't even properly represented here because Steve is too much of an ass hat to show up to work.
It's so bad that Mark had to come here and help out because Steve is so bad at his job.
Do I get 1$ back if the server is down for the whole month?
It was just yet another VolumeDrive/QuadIX outage thread until they invited us to play. I accepted their invitation.
Its not 'poo slinging', the fact is they were decimated by our last refugee offer. They are hemorrhaging badly.
If they had done their job right and actually dealt with their non-stop power and network issues then there would be no cause for a refugee offer. Its not some wanton attack on them, if we wanted to do that there are far more lucrative targets to be had. The prices these servers are being offered at make our Atom servers look profitable! You can pull their business records if you want to see their profit margin, its negligible.
Study the ICC's filed against them and look what they are leasing, almost anyone on here would just pay cash for that type of equipment. Its not worth leasing, the ROI with cash would be 3-6 months, with leasing I doubt it will be nothing more than a pittance. Leasing 4GB memory modules? CPUs? These are pocket change items and they are not buying 20,000 units, its single and double digits.
The fundamentals of a hosting company is to provide a server with as close to 100% uptime as possible. That requires reliable power, reliable and a properly dimensioned network before you worry about anything else. That ultimately is the product.
If I rented a car that was breaking down as much as this, I would change company; just as renting a server if it keeps breaking down then you would also change company.
Of course there are outages in any business, but the outage has to be investigated and the cause dealt with. The core issue here is the events keep happening and nothing improves. These are not my words but a summary of the words I received from their former customers.
There are better deals in the market with proper levels of uptime. You have mentioned a few and there are plenty of others.
In business these issues are not acceptable, there has to be a procedure to deal with your business deficiencies especially when it prevents your clients from making full use of the product they have bought. Its tantamount to negligence, they knew about the deficiencies and failed to remedy them.
Its the same mentality that caused them to be taken to court for $150,000 in some leasing issue in 2013. You should take the time to read the proceedings its quite sordid. I would suggest you do that, then you know who your name is endorsing.
PacketLoss is one big thing i worry about them. Rest are ok.
Just for some perspective, here's some info on the E3 box I just received yesterday
HDD 1
HDD 2
Here's the standard freevps.us benchmark
The drives are somewhat slow, but after I spoke to @VolumeDrive they said they would get my drives swapped out.
Pretty good customer service in my opinion.
Refugee to fucking Deskstars. Thats actual bullshit. I have just been put off volumedrive even for backups
Just find a new provider as its usually thing for it to go off from time to time
Thought I would just update my benchmark. The guys at @VolumeDrive noticed my drives may have been having issues and completely replaced them for me.
Because of the drive issues, I was supplied with a 250GB SSD and a 3TB HDD. I'm happy with the servers performance. Honestly it's running a wordpress blog and an instance of owncloud. Nothing insanely critical but it's all running without issue.
Here's an updated benchmark
Thanks @VolumeDrive and more specifically Josh and Dominick.
Nice... If I needed good hardware and I didn't care if the server went down be it power or internet then I would choose them. I could NEVER use them for anything remotely production based as they're just too unreliable.
As I said in my previous post... They're bragging about TWO months uptime when other hosts have a couple years uptime minus network maintenance's...
@IThinkUFailed they do need to work on the network, however their customer service game is pretty on point. Still can't go wrong for the price.
Oh I agree you can't go wrong for the price as long as you're aware you'll have problems on a monthly basis regarding network and power and will be having to claim SLA each month...
Personally I'd rather just buy the hardware and colo with somebody far more competent network wise or possibly see contact a provider and see if they can offer something with a similar price-point per month but small setup fee added on.
Generally I feel from what I've seen users experience I'd rather not deal with QuadIX support nor network related issues. For your use case it might be fantastic and no bother at all but personally I'm not interested in needing to chase SLA each month or having to call up and find out what's going on and keep pushing for information... Heck they blamed their power supply like four times for network downtime a couple months back.
@agoldenberg can you run SMART on both disks?
@TinyTunnel_Tom will do shortly
Are you a sales person for them? Why would you buy an E3 to only host wordpress and owncloud?
Seriously this was the whole point of VPS. Access to high quality RAID backed systems for less than the cost of a similarly built dedicated server.
To be honest - I pretty much do the same but I run cPanel on the server as no shared hosting worked out for me. I use the box for a fair few other bits and bobs aswell though.
@jarland I'm a programmer. I have proxmox running on it and spin up test VPSes as needed. What does it matter what I got it for?
It's $30 not $300 and I think that's what people fail to realize.
I experiment with various operating systems, packages, etc.
My hosting companies servers are all E3 systems as well so I can also test out configs on this e3.
It's obviously your choice just... You could be doing this on a RAID10 backed VPS node without monthly outages for half or less. I'm not even self promoting, use Lunanode to spin up at hourly rates for far less.
I'm taking the unpopular position of declaring VPS the next dedi replacement for everyone buying cheap single disk dedis to replace their VPS, forgetting why we all bought VPS in the first place. At some point, regardless of the decreasing cost of low end dedis, I predict people going down this path will once again transition to the still less expensive option for the things they're not needing dedicated CPU cores for.
Dedis are more exciting right now but VPS still exist for the things many people are over spending for on dedis.
To be honest programmers/developers is what DigitalOcean and Vultr were made for.
No those are for production scalable infrastructure
Single disk/budget dedis are not for production. They're for hobbyists and people who need dedicated CPU at low cost. Which, admittedly, many of us fit those bills, but VPS can also be for hobbyists and cost far less.
I wouldn't pay $30/m for a VPS that goes down every month, so I sure as heck wouldn't pay it for a dedi to do things I could be doing on a VPS at half or less of the cost without the constant outages.
Noisy neighbor syndrome, lack of best practices, no IPv6 in some cases, each has their draw back.
Bare-metal + no possibility of some div taking down your instance is great.
Sometimes devops and programmers doesn't know what blkiotune or how to keep the inmates from running the asylum, and hypervisors can be slowed down to a grind by noisy neighbors.
VPS when done properly is nice, but it's all about numbers for the empty suit CEOs who don't realize 100+ guests per machine does not a stable hypervisor make.
/rant.
@agoldenberg it is amazing how the more you suck theirs the more they suck yours. The more you stick up for them, the more presents you seem to get.
Your experience with their support and Josh is humorous to me as I can remember the reason I never went with Burstnet/Volumedrive to begin with back in the Scranton days was that the guy would never return any phone calls. I think I waited a month to get a quote back then? Maybe it is better now, but personally it would not surprise me that he is taking your calls with priority because of this thread and him wanting to turn you into their paid sponsor (which is actually what this thread reads like to me).
While @MarkTurner comes and states the facts you find a way to continue to say, "Well sure there are problems, but who cares, they are awesome and he has no idea what he is saying"
As Mark said, they are grasping at straws to make ends meet after continuous problems with network and hardware vendors in their past. If they weren't, their prices would be more realistic, they would have more support employees than 1 guy to answer you calls, they would take better care of their networking and power equipment and do proper infrastructure maintenance. The issue here is, at the rate they are selling their product, they can't afford to do most/any of those things reliably. As someone who rents/colos a fair amount of servers and as someone who knows what realistic pricing is for these kits, I can tell you, I wouldn't rent from them with any expectation of quality (for use in production).
Now, if you just need a server for your own little website or your torrents and want cheap bulk network with a network and power setup that is marginally/poorly taken care of and are willing to put up with a several down times, from issues cause by such poor care multiple times a year, then hey, this is the perfect product for you. It won't break the bank and as the thing your running isn't production you won't have 50 people calling and screaming at you every other month/week when there is issues, so shouldn't be a big deal, right?
TL;DR:
For hobby use, VD/QuadIX is probably 'Okay'. If you need something for production however, you would be crazy (looney tunes) to host it with them as they do not provide a production ready network/DC as can be seen from the many threads about them and issues they have had here over only the past year, not to mention further back than that in their original days.
@agoldenberg let us know how many licks it takes to get to the warm gooey center of that tootsie-pop.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
Free HDD + SSD upgrade with every positive review!
Free un-racking and re-racking when the next lessor catches up with them too.
/s
@TheLinuxBug I defend people that are at least trying to improve. That's it that's all. I posted the smart data, they noticed and approached me.
@jarland I would use a VPS if I trusted these companies to not mess up my stuff, or sit me on an overloaded node or accuse me of course abuse. I used dedicated servers for a few reasons.
1) only I have the keys.
2) No neighbors to worry about.
3) the resources are mine and nobody else's.
4) I can afford it.
I'm not worried about downtime here or there and to be honest I think the expectations here for $7 a month rock solid service are laughable.
There are providers who do this, however the majority of them here end up dead pooling and at least with a dedicated I have daily backups of my entire vm instance and moving is as simple as vzmigrate.
@TheLinuxBug you can accuse me of sucking someone off all you like. Ok not here to make friends with you or impress you. I shared my experience.
You don't think other people here have preferential treatment from certain hosts? Perhaps you're delusional?
Anyways thanks for all the input about who you think I should spend my money with, but last time I checked I was a grown ass man with a house a car a business and a career with hundreds of happy customers.
Sorry you're here to try and bring me down on the Internet.
Well I was more referring to the fact you can set them up in mere seconds and destroy them just as quick for quick and easy use to test things.
@agoldenberg Bring you down? I prefer to think of it as I'm pulling you up. I don't care who you spend your money with, waste it on booze and hookers for all I care. It is more like a wake up call. You are telling people that VD is good for production when it really isn't, and it shows you must realize this as you state you seem to be 'Okay' with downtime. In a real business, downtime is not just 'Okay', grown ass man or not, if I pay for a service where the service delivered is power, cooling and network for my server and the person I am paying it for can't handle that, I am not going to force my customers to put up with that and tell them that it is 'Okay' to have constant outages and down times like it is something they should just accept.That would be irresponsible to say the least. Have you noticed how every host that has come to LEB and tried to use a VD server as a hypervisor has eventually stopped selling the location? This is what any responsible host would do when they see constant outages on their infrastructure, they wouldn't use the location.
Sure, as you said, will be great for your 'Hobbies' and maybe for development, but putting production customers on a server there would be irresponsible. My argument here is not about your experience but your willingness to be a sheep and start telling other that its something they should look to for production, which is pretty obviously not the case based on past reviews of their services.
I mean honestly, I hope it works out great for you and is your most favorite server ever. I also hope you end up feeling that you got a good deal. However, for the love of all things realistic, please stop suggesting QuadIX as a place to put production equipment and telling us about how they have given you all kinda of cool upgrades and have bent to your whim, it just looks like they are paying you to be their advertising troll (which you have taken on gladly it seems).
And hey, maybe you like sucking off people, there are people out there that do, so maybe you welcome the opportunity, I don't know. However, per your 'sharing' here it sure seems like you have taken it up as a past time, in the least. I just hope it is as good for you as it is for them.
Hey, have a happy new year and don't let me be the one to get you down on your self!
my 2 cents.
Cheers!