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BuyVM - Allegation of Trouble, Lies, Slabs, Hosts Servers in Basement
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And so does stabbing with CC, etc
welp, looks like we lost another one, jcaleb's been assimilated into the machine
You already know it was not CC which gave you the ban, someone working there did.
It was only extended because you immediately cried foul and threw a hissy fit instead of contacting their CEO and legal department and try to explain the situation.
That is a lie and you know it. He asked me to "remove that crap" without specifying what crap was and the signature has been reduced per request to 4 lines (besides being written with almost invisible font), has been cleared of any names (since he said it was personal), as well as any links (that could have been controversial since you locked the thread you made with a mock title where we were solving past problems). He STILL didnt tell me after MANY TIMES asking what was the issue with it, AND punished me (after all those concessions), besides giving the warning, by making me rMember_No_Signature. You also added another layer by making me unable to edit my posts, even tho as it was only one hour window so it would have been impossible to edit older posts as you claim.
Dont try to spin it by beating around the bush, the real issue is that YOU, as in the board admins, did not like my signature and started to look for reasons to remove it. You didnt find any, so you added a rule where you say that members must agree with admins, basically. Even so the rule was added post-factum, so, the original attack against me was still baseless.
@texteditor - jcaleb is great guy. I wish to be able to say the same about some others...
It's extremely hard to have own opinion about some things without being part of anti-CC bashing machinery today. Raindog said above: "Further evidence that LET is more about CC marketing than community discussions". What evidence? The funniest (or maybe sad?) thing is that everyone talks more about CC at this forum than CC employes themself.
Who's doing marketing here?
http://lowendtalk.com/categories/offers
http://lowendtalk.com/categories/providers
To me, solely as reader, can be sometimes extremely annoying to read about same things in every random non related thread from same people all the time. I had a chit-chat conversation with jcaleb today. It was about random forum related things but also about how nicer this place would be without people who come here just to repeat about same crap all the time but do not contribute to anything.
It's not problem with CC here or atleast I don't feel it as they barely post anything at LET at all, but all this poisonous crap we readers need to go through on daily basis from same mannduderized people all the time.
counterpoint - this thread, with the false sensationalist title, which remains unsunk...
texteditor and +100 non related derailment posts aimed toward same old CC, Chris, etc.. (because yes, we need to read the same things all over again, right?) -> as usually, insted with topic.
It would be better if it didn't try to pretend to be a 'community' anymore, and just honestly labeled itself as a forum for colocrossing to shill for their companies and slander everyone who isn't their customer
Also would probably be better with neutral mods, but too late for that one
I will take your comment serious and ask you to show me all those colocrossing shilling threads:
http://lowendtalk.com/categories/offers
http://lowendtalk.com/categories/providers
btw. when have you been neutral last time at LET?
guess which matters more to the search engines and the non-native english speaking lurkers who check for deals and such - my shitty whitenoise posts, or your shitty thread title?
Congrats on being completely complicit in the dishonest behavior that allows these scum to exist while legitimately undermining decent providers like Fran
Who cares, I'm not the one who can delete/edit the comments of anyone I want
Heh. Classic.
I'm just trying to be in the middle. Huge amount of posts in LET are anti-CC.
When people trash about a new hosts and making them look stupid, no one complains to close or sink the thread. When people trash about CVPS, how many people complain to close the thread too?
And every occasion, even remotely related, someone will try to insert anti-CC comment. Honestly, I prefer to read posts about p-enlargement and viagra than these. It's too spammy.
Edited title, added "Allegations of".
You know why? Because a lot of the business practices of CC-related companies are very underhanded, and honestly companies like CVPS and UGVPS could not be successful without some kind of information vacuum...which I guess, is the job of Spirit and mpkossen, to constantly delete threads and information that is negative about CC, while leaving threads like this one going, kinda like how a ton of the front page offers go to CC-related companies, vetted or not, compared to non-CC companies.
For those of us already aware, well, we don't buy their products. But people like me aren't their target market - people that live in such an information vacuum, like those new to LE*, or customers from southeast-asia centric forums where LE* deals get mirrored (but comment sections from ere can't reasonably be copied for review purposes) assume that due to LET's old reputation makes it a reliable source for deals, it still could be one. That makes them easy targets.
Maybe CVPS_Chris isn't lying about "25,000 customers", because the only way his business works is if there is a constant flow of new, uninformed customers that haven't learned not to buy from him to replace the outflow of customers that learned a hard lesson.
Go ahead though, @jcaleb, keep helping CVPS_Chris, Biloh, and failed shell companies like UGVPS take advantage of low-information new customers. If you don't, their businesses would fall apart
My heart goes out to the non-English forums who mirror deals from here and their members who aren't as lucky as I am to be able to natively read the bad reviews that aren't scrubbed or have the spare disposable income that allows me to make more mistakes
How marginally less biased of you...
I shall say this. While I've exchanged words with @spirit to the point where I at least know that there is no misunderstanding about how either of us think of the other right now, @jcaleb is a better man than me any day.
Yes I agree if this thread was about any other provider it would have been sunk or locked and the person playing the role that Chris is would have been told "you obviously aren't going to get an answer so stop trying to cause more drama." However, I am glad that this thread isn't and I'll explain why.
You can accuse the administration of the site of holding a double standard with their administration technique easily, but now you have a bookmark reminder of why they can't close another thread for the same reasons that they didn't close this one while still maintaining any semi reasonable argument as to why this forum is inhabitable. Which is a big deal considering the income it generates, not just pennies at all.
This thread is accountability to the administration here for their future actions. They are setting a standard right here and the moment they break it they will get a shit storm that you and I won't even have to be a part of, we can just watch. But that won't happen, because they're all honest and fair people and they'll never close a thread again because someone is demanding truth like a broken record. Right?
I know I have some double standards in the eyes of some. Like if you're a friend to me and you display kindness to me at every turn, I'm going to treat you better than others. Thus explains my limited outrage in this post. Shocking right? Doesn't mean I won't work to add people to that list. And like you said, I don't have the ability to moderate, and that's probably a good thing
As for "the administration" those who fit that know if I'm talking about them. I'm not talking about all of them.
I NEVER deleted thread and information that is negative about CC. Neither site owners requested this or anything at all from me. Not even once.
Perfectly humane.
@texteditor you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect them.
I don't help anybody jbiloh, cvps or ugvps. I don't even sign up with them anymore because of the bazillion negative reviews guys write here about them.
If I am biased, it is obvious from my post history. I am biased towards prometeus, catalysthost, and hostigation because i love their service. cvps, ugvps, cc? i don't care even 1 cent about them. they can go bankrupt tomorrow i dont care.
Why does your title say member?
The major problem I have with this bit here is that CC/CVPS/GVH/whatever cc brand is popular at the moment are the people "mannduderizing" this forum, not the people coming from vpsBoard. Were there not constant allegations towards BuyVM and the people at vpsBoard (which there has been blatant and purposeful attempts to stoke this drama between the boards by members from LE* over at vpsBoard and here) then I believe you wouldn't be seeing this crap here. This why @Francisco stopped responding, which he should have just done from the beginning, I don't think he owes anyone here an explanation. If you need an explanation of something I am sure if you ask him in person he will be happy to fill you in.
The FUD machine for CC is generating this stupid crap, hell, GVH can't even go a week without putting out a press release to say "Sorry" or "we are acquiring another business even though we can't support our own yet", etc. This type of shit is far from an accident or a coincidence. It is called #WINNING by any means necessary (all press is good press) and they have been practicing this for a long time now here.
I would be willing to bet if there was to be a stop to the attacks on BuyVM and the people at vpsBoard you would see a lot less of this drama here (which would reduce the influx of readers here I have a feeling, so I don't see anything actually changing as this whole place is about $$). I am fairly certain the people like @Manndude, @Francisco, etc have much better things to do with their time then to have to come and defend their reputation here, but in the same breathe if I was either of them I wouldn't want to leave unfounded accusations unanswered either, thus their responses here.
You want to put a stop to this? Put a stop to the CC FUD machine that is running rampant here and I think you will do a lot to end this drama. (But wait, this would mean no more #WINNING and less money in CC's pocket, funny how that works huh?)
If you are going to blame something, don't blame the people at vpsBoard, blame CC and their poor decisions with what they are allowing to become all to common here. Allowing CVPS, GVH or the flavor of the week to come here and make drama is their choice. Nip the issue in the bud and I am sure you will see a lot less of this crap.
Cheers!
this is so off topic already. let's continue in cest pit. im closing this thread.