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How did this occur? Sydney VPS suddenly became United States, without any notification

i12hi12h Member
edited December 2023 in Help

@virtono said: Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺 IPv4: 80.97.44.2 - syd-au-ping.virtono.com IPv6: 2a0e:1d80:24:000e:0000:0000:0000:0001 - 6syd-au-ping.virtono.com

https://i.ping.pe/C/5/img_C5cBRYyI.png

About 3 days ago, I suddenly noticed that the Sydney VPS I purchased from @virtono had its network switched to the United States, without any announcement or notification.

The latency to United States(Los Angeles) is actually just 1 ms, and to Australia is 181 ms.

I submitted a ticket a day ago and am still waiting for a response.

The question I want to ask here is:
Under what circumstances would such an incredible thing happen?
Has anyone encountered this before?

Thanked by 1amj
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Comments

  • 🤑

    Thanked by 1raza19
  • AI auto relocate to nearest

  • @cybertech said:
    AI auto relocate to nearest

    Always the gippity

  • OwnTNOwnTN Member, Patron Provider

    Quite likely your VM was cloned to a hypervisor in the US, and then the IP route was re-announced to the upstream in US.

  • @OwnTN said:
    Quite likely your VM was cloned to a hypervisor in the US, and then the IP route was re-announced to the upstream in US.

    But the same goes for their looking glass. :#

  • @cybertech said:
    AI auto relocate to nearest

    So AI meaning Anti-intellectual?
    :D

  • OMG my one too :innocent:

  • brueggusbrueggus Member, IPv6 Advocate

    I checked some of their locations in Europe and a handful of them look pretty fishy:

    0 ms latency between a Virtono VPS in Copenhagen and their test IP for Oslo?? Seems like they're using HostSolution's no-latency tunnel technology.

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt                                  Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   37.120.194.137                            0.0%    10    5.6  22.1   5.6  59.0  18.2
      2. AS9009   osl-no-ping.virtono.com (194.102.175.2)   0.0%    10    0.4   6.7   0.3  50.9  15.8
    

    Their test IP for Copenhagen is hosted in the same subnet as my VPS:

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt             Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   85.120.84.3          0.0%    10    6.9   0.9   0.2   6.9   2.1
    

    Then I checked M247's test IP for Oslo, Norway. This traceroute makes much more sense:

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   37.120.194.137                                     0.0%    10   20.7  29.7   7.7 116.7  32.9
      2. AS???    ???                                               100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      3. AS???    be-1-3101.bb1n.cph1.dk.m247.ro (37.120.220.144)    0.0%    10    6.8   6.5   0.9  49.9  15.4
      4. AS???    xe-3-0-1-0.bb1.osl2.no.m247.ro (217.138.223.173)   0.0%    10   52.0  13.9   8.2  52.0  13.6
      5. AS???    ???                                               100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      6. AS???    146.70.0.237                                       0.0%    10   58.0  30.8  21.3  58.0  13.1
      7. AS9009   speed.no.m247.ro (37.120.149.2)                    0.0%    10   13.6   9.3   8.2  13.7   2.3
    

    What else do we have? Let's check Virtono Belgrade, Serbia => M247 Belgrade (speed.rs.m247.ro):

    HOST: beg01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   45.15.20.1                                            0.0%    10  3913. 4029. 3822. 4309. 146.8
      2. AS9009   vlan1925.core1.fra4.de.m247.ro (193.9.115.178)        0.0%    10    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.3   0.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  40.0%    10    0.7   1.3   0.7   3.8   1.2
      4. AS???    be-999.core1n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.128.156)       40.0%    10   18.3  18.4  18.3  18.5   0.1
      5. AS9009   xe-0-0-1-0.bb1.beg1.rs.m247.ro (212.103.51.226)       0.0%    10   18.4  19.0  18.1  24.5   2.0
      6. AS9009   vlan1916.as16.nyc1.us.m247.ro (77.243.185.51)         0.0%    10   35.5 352.9  27.5 1536. 504.9
      7. AS9009   speed.rs.m247.ro (152.89.160.34)                      0.0%    10   18.5  18.4  18.4  18.5   0.0
    

    18 ms latency from "Belgrade" (or should I rather say "Frankfurt"?) to Belgrade.

    Virtono Prague, Czech Republic => M247 Prague (speed.cz.m247.ro). Note that their VPS in "Prague" share the same gateway with "Belgrade":

    Start: 2023-12-18T14:46:26+0100
    HOST: prg01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   45.15.20.1                                            0.0%    10  1170. 2506. 1170. 3826. 970.9
      2. AS9009   vlan1925.core1.fra4.de.m247.ro (193.9.115.178)        0.0%    10    0.3   1.4   0.2   6.3   2.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  10.0%    10    0.7   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.0
      4. AS9009   te-1-5-11.bb1.prg.cz.m247.ro (77.243.185.11)          0.0%    10   15.4  20.2  15.3  47.9  10.9
      5. AS???    ???                                                  100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      6. AS9009   89.238.186.98                                         0.0%    10   16.5  16.5  16.5  16.6   0.1
    

    Latency from Virtono "Dublin" to London is much lower than to Dublin:

    "Dublin" => Dublin:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                              0.0%    10   17.5  32.5  11.8 102.2  36.2
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                              0.0%    10   21.4  29.9   8.1 117.8  31.5
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                             0.0%    10    6.6  16.7   5.1  90.3  26.1
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                            20.0%    10    0.8   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      5. AS???    hundredgige0-0-3-0.bb1n.lon1.uk.m247.ro (146.70.1.126)   0.0%    10   10.9  10.7  10.5  11.0   0.2
      6. AS???    te-0-0-0-47.core2.dub1.ie.m247.ro (193.27.15.207)        0.0%    10   10.6  10.6  10.4  10.8   0.1
      7. AS???    be-2.edge1.dub1.ie.m247.ro (146.70.1.24)                 0.0%    10   10.4  10.4  10.2  10.5   0.1
      8. AS???    146.70.1.23                                              0.0%    10   10.7  10.6  10.5  10.8   0.1
      9. AS???    irb-3101.agg1v.dub1.ie.m247.ro (146.70.1.17)             0.0%    10   42.4  39.1  29.2  52.5   7.2
     10. AS9009   91.90.124.1                                              0.0%    10   10.3  10.3  10.1  10.4   0.1
    

    "Dublin" => London:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                       Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                    0.0%    10   20.7  17.5  11.8  22.8   4.2
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                    0.0%    10   37.9  36.1  15.8  91.8  24.8
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                   0.0%    10   31.8  32.6   3.7 167.7  50.1
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                  20.0%    10    6.8   1.5   0.7   6.8   2.1
      5. AS???    be-102.pe1n.lon2.uk.m247.ro (37.120.220.205)   0.0%    10   13.4  34.7   6.8  71.2  19.7
      6. AS9009   speed.uk.lon.m247.ro (176.10.82.138)           0.0%    10    6.4   2.3   0.3   7.1   3.1
    

    They have great peering (1 ms latency!) to Clouvider in London, though:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                              0.0%    10   21.3  16.2  11.5  21.3   3.9
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                              0.0%    10   15.3  12.1   2.2  19.4   4.8
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                             0.0%    10   27.4 889.5   2.9 2145. 843.7
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                             0.0%    10    0.7   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      5. AS???    hundredgige0-0-3-0.bb1n.lon1.uk.m247.ro (146.70.1.126)   0.0%    10    1.2   1.1   0.9   1.5   0.2
      6. AS???    port-channel101.pni1.lon1.uk.m247.ro (83.97.21.87)       0.0%    10    0.4   0.4   0.4   0.5   0.0
      7. AS???    lonap.thn2.peering.clouvider.net (5.57.81.172)           0.0%    10    0.6   0.7   0.5   0.8   0.1
      8. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      9. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
     10. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
     11. AS62240  h185-145-200-86.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.86)   0.0%    10    1.0   1.1   0.9   1.4   0.1
     12. AS62240  h185-145-200-87.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.87)   0.0%    10    4.0  13.3   3.1  85.4  25.4
     13. AS62240  h185-42-223-63.reverse.clouvider.net (185.42.223.63)     0.0%    10    1.1   1.0   1.0   1.3   0.1
    

    Let's head south... Milan, Italy. How's the latency to my MrVM NAT VPS hosted in Milan?

    HOST: mil01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   80.96.45.1                                            0.0%    10   23.7  20.9   2.7  80.2  21.6
      2. AS???    146.70.0.46                                           0.0%    10    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.3   0.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  40.0%    10    0.8   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      4. AS???    be-102.edge1.fra2.de.m247.ro (146.70.1.221)           0.0%    10    1.1   0.9   0.8   1.1   0.1
      5. AS3356   195.122.181.153                                       0.0%    10    0.9   1.0   0.9   1.8   0.3
      6. AS3356   ae2.3201.edge1.Milan2.level3.net (4.69.143.114)       0.0%    10    9.6  11.8   9.6  13.9   1.8
      7. AS3356   213.242.125.42                                        0.0%    10   74.2  16.0   9.4  74.2  20.5
      8. AS20836  217.171.38.134                                        0.0%    10   10.1  11.0  10.0  15.4   1.7
      9. AS34971  virt-it01.mrvm.net (193.234.225.89)                   0.0%    10    9.4   9.5   9.4   9.6   0.1
    

    Interesting. Let's ping my one of my other Virtono VPS in Frankfurt:

    IPv4:

    # ping -4 vps215.brueggus.de
    PING vps215.brueggus.de (194.102.37.236) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=38.5 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=180 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=88.7 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=56.4 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=122 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=135 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=196 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=8 ttl=63 time=110 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=9 ttl=63 time=192 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=10 ttl=63 time=73.3 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=11 ttl=63 time=74.4 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=12 ttl=63 time=68.9 ms
    ^C
    --- vps215.brueggus.de ping statistics ---
    12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 11012ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 38.529/111.309/195.999/52.091 ms
    

    IPv6:

    # ping vps215.brueggus.de
    PING vps215.brueggus.de(2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6)) 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=61 time=44.2 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=2 ttl=61 time=43.2 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=3 ttl=61 time=0.415 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=4 ttl=61 time=0.358 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=5 ttl=61 time=0.372 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=6 ttl=61 time=0.537 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=7 ttl=61 time=0.420 ms
    ^C
    --- vps215.brueggus.de ping statistics ---
    7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6081ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.358/12.786/44.207/19.555 ms
    
    

    <1 ms latency over IPv6 and 30-200 ms latency over IPv4. Weird.

    I've done more tests between locations but locations, routes and latencies just don't make sense in some of their "locations". I suspect that their servers in "Belgrade" and "Prague" are hosted in Frankfurt instead. "Brussels" seems to be The Hague, NL instead. "Oslo" appears to be Copenhagen, "Dublin" appears to be London. And "Milan" is a bit weird, but I suspect that's Frankfurt as well.

    Needless to say that their "29 Neutral Datacenters Around the World" seems to be a pile of marketing bs.

    Good news: My servers in Bucharest, Budapest and Copenhagen do not show weird routing and latencies (yet).

  • It has been 72 hours without a reply of the ticket.
    :'(

  • JabJabJabJab Member
    edited December 2023

    Disabled locations for buying from:
    Dublin, IE
    Oslo, NO
    Stockholm, SE
    Prague, CZ
    Zurich, CH
    Belgrade, RS
    Sofia, BG
    Sydney, AU

    There is Wayback Machine website copy from 7th of December - same locations disabled, previous one is from 23rd November and everything is selectable.

    So this seems kinda little planned? :D

  • brueggusbrueggus Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @JabJab said:
    So this seems kinda little planned? :D

    Possibly... I have received this (unspecific) announcement a week ago. Could be related.

    We want to inform you that we are currently undertaking urgent maintenance on the server hosting your services. This is a proactive step to address some hardware issues and ensure that we continue to provide you with the high-quality service you deserve.
     
    Please be assured that our team is working diligently to enhance your experience and minimize any inconvenience. As part of this process, it may be necessary to turn off your VPS temporarily. We understand the importance of your operations and are committed to completing this maintenance as swiftly and efficiently as possible.
     
    Your trust in us is paramount, and we are dedicated to maintaining the reliability and performance of your services. We appreciate your understanding and patience during this time.
     
    Should you have any concerns or need assistance, please do not hesitate to reach out to our support team, who are here to help around the clock.

    Some more Virtono "locations" and where they really are:

    • "Madrid" = Paris
    • "Stockholm" = Copenhagen
    • "Oslo" = Copenhagen
    • "Sydney" = Los Angeles
    • "Montreal" = New York City
    • "Sofia" = Bucharest
    • "Warsaw" = Frankfurt
    • "Vienna" = Frankfurt
  • i12hi12h Member
    edited December 2023

    @brueggus said:
    I checked some of their locations in Europe and a handful of them look pretty fishy:

    0 ms latency between a Virtono VPS in Copenhagen and their test IP for Oslo?? Seems like they're using HostSolution's no-latency tunnel technology.

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt                                  Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   37.120.194.137                            0.0%    10    5.6  22.1   5.6  59.0  18.2
      2. AS9009   osl-no-ping.virtono.com (194.102.175.2)   0.0%    10    0.4   6.7   0.3  50.9  15.8
    

    Their test IP for Copenhagen is hosted in the same subnet as my VPS:

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt             Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   85.120.84.3          0.0%    10    6.9   0.9   0.2   6.9   2.1
    

    Then I checked M247's test IP for Oslo, Norway. This traceroute makes much more sense:

    HOST: cph01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   37.120.194.137                                     0.0%    10   20.7  29.7   7.7 116.7  32.9
      2. AS???    ???                                               100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      3. AS???    be-1-3101.bb1n.cph1.dk.m247.ro (37.120.220.144)    0.0%    10    6.8   6.5   0.9  49.9  15.4
      4. AS???    xe-3-0-1-0.bb1.osl2.no.m247.ro (217.138.223.173)   0.0%    10   52.0  13.9   8.2  52.0  13.6
      5. AS???    ???                                               100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      6. AS???    146.70.0.237                                       0.0%    10   58.0  30.8  21.3  58.0  13.1
      7. AS9009   speed.no.m247.ro (37.120.149.2)                    0.0%    10   13.6   9.3   8.2  13.7   2.3
    

    What else do we have? Let's check Virtono Belgrade, Serbia => M247 Belgrade (speed.rs.m247.ro):

    HOST: beg01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   45.15.20.1                                            0.0%    10  3913. 4029. 3822. 4309. 146.8
      2. AS9009   vlan1925.core1.fra4.de.m247.ro (193.9.115.178)        0.0%    10    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.3   0.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  40.0%    10    0.7   1.3   0.7   3.8   1.2
      4. AS???    be-999.core1n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.128.156)       40.0%    10   18.3  18.4  18.3  18.5   0.1
      5. AS9009   xe-0-0-1-0.bb1.beg1.rs.m247.ro (212.103.51.226)       0.0%    10   18.4  19.0  18.1  24.5   2.0
      6. AS9009   vlan1916.as16.nyc1.us.m247.ro (77.243.185.51)         0.0%    10   35.5 352.9  27.5 1536. 504.9
      7. AS9009   speed.rs.m247.ro (152.89.160.34)                      0.0%    10   18.5  18.4  18.4  18.5   0.0
    

    18 ms latency from "Belgrade" (or should I rather say "Frankfurt"?) to Belgrade.

    Virtono Prague, Czech Republic => M247 Prague (speed.cz.m247.ro). Note that their VPS in "Prague" share the same gateway with "Belgrade":

    Start: 2023-12-18T14:46:26+0100
    HOST: prg01.dnscry.pt                                           Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   45.15.20.1                                            0.0%    10  1170. 2506. 1170. 3826. 970.9
      2. AS9009   vlan1925.core1.fra4.de.m247.ro (193.9.115.178)        0.0%    10    0.3   1.4   0.2   6.3   2.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  10.0%    10    0.7   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.0
      4. AS9009   te-1-5-11.bb1.prg.cz.m247.ro (77.243.185.11)          0.0%    10   15.4  20.2  15.3  47.9  10.9
      5. AS???    ???                                                  100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      6. AS9009   89.238.186.98                                         0.0%    10   16.5  16.5  16.5  16.6   0.1
    

    Latency from Virtono "Dublin" to London is much lower than to Dublin:

    "Dublin" => Dublin:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                              0.0%    10   17.5  32.5  11.8 102.2  36.2
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                              0.0%    10   21.4  29.9   8.1 117.8  31.5
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                             0.0%    10    6.6  16.7   5.1  90.3  26.1
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                            20.0%    10    0.8   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      5. AS???    hundredgige0-0-3-0.bb1n.lon1.uk.m247.ro (146.70.1.126)   0.0%    10   10.9  10.7  10.5  11.0   0.2
      6. AS???    te-0-0-0-47.core2.dub1.ie.m247.ro (193.27.15.207)        0.0%    10   10.6  10.6  10.4  10.8   0.1
      7. AS???    be-2.edge1.dub1.ie.m247.ro (146.70.1.24)                 0.0%    10   10.4  10.4  10.2  10.5   0.1
      8. AS???    146.70.1.23                                              0.0%    10   10.7  10.6  10.5  10.8   0.1
      9. AS???    irb-3101.agg1v.dub1.ie.m247.ro (146.70.1.17)             0.0%    10   42.4  39.1  29.2  52.5   7.2
     10. AS9009   91.90.124.1                                              0.0%    10   10.3  10.3  10.1  10.4   0.1
    

    "Dublin" => London:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                       Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                    0.0%    10   20.7  17.5  11.8  22.8   4.2
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                    0.0%    10   37.9  36.1  15.8  91.8  24.8
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                   0.0%    10   31.8  32.6   3.7 167.7  50.1
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                  20.0%    10    6.8   1.5   0.7   6.8   2.1
      5. AS???    be-102.pe1n.lon2.uk.m247.ro (37.120.220.205)   0.0%    10   13.4  34.7   6.8  71.2  19.7
      6. AS9009   speed.uk.lon.m247.ro (176.10.82.138)           0.0%    10    6.4   2.3   0.3   7.1   3.1
    

    They have great peering (1 ms latency!) to Clouvider in London, though:

    HOST: dub01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   81.181.68.1                                              0.0%    10   21.3  16.2  11.5  21.3   3.9
      2. AS???    146.70.4.26                                              0.0%    10   15.3  12.1   2.2  19.4   4.8
      3. AS???    146.70.4.100                                             0.0%    10   27.4 889.5   2.9 2145. 843.7
      4. AS???    146.70.4.127                                             0.0%    10    0.7   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      5. AS???    hundredgige0-0-3-0.bb1n.lon1.uk.m247.ro (146.70.1.126)   0.0%    10    1.2   1.1   0.9   1.5   0.2
      6. AS???    port-channel101.pni1.lon1.uk.m247.ro (83.97.21.87)       0.0%    10    0.4   0.4   0.4   0.5   0.0
      7. AS???    lonap.thn2.peering.clouvider.net (5.57.81.172)           0.0%    10    0.6   0.7   0.5   0.8   0.1
      8. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
      9. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
     10. AS???    ???                                                     100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0
     11. AS62240  h185-145-200-86.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.86)   0.0%    10    1.0   1.1   0.9   1.4   0.1
     12. AS62240  h185-145-200-87.reverse.clouvider.net (185.145.200.87)   0.0%    10    4.0  13.3   3.1  85.4  25.4
     13. AS62240  h185-42-223-63.reverse.clouvider.net (185.42.223.63)     0.0%    10    1.1   1.0   1.0   1.3   0.1
    

    Let's head south... Milan, Italy. How's the latency to my MrVM NAT VPS hosted in Milan?

    HOST: mil01.dnscry.pt                                              Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
      1. AS9009   80.96.45.1                                            0.0%    10   23.7  20.9   2.7  80.2  21.6
      2. AS???    146.70.0.46                                           0.0%    10    0.3   0.3   0.2   0.3   0.0
      3. AS???    be-403-3903.core2n.fra2.de.m247.ro (37.120.220.135)  40.0%    10    0.8   0.7   0.6   0.8   0.1
      4. AS???    be-102.edge1.fra2.de.m247.ro (146.70.1.221)           0.0%    10    1.1   0.9   0.8   1.1   0.1
      5. AS3356   195.122.181.153                                       0.0%    10    0.9   1.0   0.9   1.8   0.3
      6. AS3356   ae2.3201.edge1.Milan2.level3.net (4.69.143.114)       0.0%    10    9.6  11.8   9.6  13.9   1.8
      7. AS3356   213.242.125.42                                        0.0%    10   74.2  16.0   9.4  74.2  20.5
      8. AS20836  217.171.38.134                                        0.0%    10   10.1  11.0  10.0  15.4   1.7
      9. AS34971  virt-it01.mrvm.net (193.234.225.89)                   0.0%    10    9.4   9.5   9.4   9.6   0.1
    

    Interesting. Let's ping my one of my other Virtono VPS in Frankfurt:

    IPv4:

    # ping -4 vps215.brueggus.de
    PING vps215.brueggus.de (194.102.37.236) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=38.5 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=180 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=88.7 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=56.4 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=5 ttl=63 time=122 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=6 ttl=63 time=135 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=7 ttl=63 time=196 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=8 ttl=63 time=110 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=9 ttl=63 time=192 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=10 ttl=63 time=73.3 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=11 ttl=63 time=74.4 ms
    64 bytes from 194.102.37.236 (194.102.37.236): icmp_seq=12 ttl=63 time=68.9 ms
    ^C
    --- vps215.brueggus.de ping statistics ---
    12 packets transmitted, 12 received, 0% packet loss, time 11012ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 38.529/111.309/195.999/52.091 ms
    

    IPv6:

    # ping vps215.brueggus.de
    PING vps215.brueggus.de(2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6)) 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=61 time=44.2 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=2 ttl=61 time=43.2 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=3 ttl=61 time=0.415 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=4 ttl=61 time=0.358 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=5 ttl=61 time=0.372 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=6 ttl=61 time=0.537 ms
    64 bytes from 2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6 (2a0e:1d80:2:d0b::2b7:d4f6): icmp_seq=7 ttl=61 time=0.420 ms
    ^C
    --- vps215.brueggus.de ping statistics ---
    7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6081ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.358/12.786/44.207/19.555 ms
    
    

    <1 ms latency over IPv6 and 30-200 ms latency over IPv4. Weird.

    I've done more tests between locations but locations, routes and latencies just don't make sense in some of their "locations". I suspect that their servers in "Belgrade" and "Prague" are hosted in Frankfurt instead. "Brussels" seems to be The Hague, NL instead. "Oslo" appears to be Copenhagen, "Dublin" appears to be London. And "Milan" is a bit weird, but I suspect that's Frankfurt as well.

    Needless to say that their "29 Neutral Datacenters Around the World" seems to be a pile of marketing bs.

    Good news: My servers in Bucharest, Budapest and Copenhagen do not show weird routing and latencies (yet).

    I'm afraid these are not the only strange things. Virtono is always full of surprises.

    For example, the routing latency values for certain locations is always changing, the difference between the beginning of the month and the end of the month may be several times.

    Another issue is with "Port Speed". I purchased a limited-edition event product that claimed to be 2.9Gbps. In actual testing, it couldn't even reach 1Gbps. Even the local network couldn't reach it, let alone 2.9Gbps.

    I submitted a ticket at that time, and they responded saying:

    "Unfortunately, not all ISP's networks have good connectivity and it depends a lot on their interconnections with other important ISPs. The download and upload speed depend on what server are you choosing for the test."

    Almost speechless. but this kind of response is quite classic. o:)

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  • @JabJab said:
    Disabled locations for buying from:
    Dublin, IE
    Oslo, NO
    Stockholm, SE
    Prague, CZ
    Zurich, CH
    Belgrade, RS
    Sofia, BG
    Sydney, AU

    There is Wayback Machine website copy from 7th of December - same locations disabled, previous one is from 23rd November and everything is selectable.

    So this seems kinda little planned? :D

    That's why I'm asking here :)

    I am also worried that they are well aware of this matter.
    I still have a little hope, otherwise even the basic trust will be gone.

  • brueggusbrueggus Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @i12h said: I am also worried that they are well aware of this matter.
    I still have a little hope, otherwise even the basic trust will be gone.

    I am 100% sure they are well aware. Servers don't just teleport themselves to different data centers.
    I've had some downtimes in different locations and network issues recently (default gw unreachable), which have been resolved via ticket. I've just checked my Smokeping graph and it seems like these downtimes correlate with recent latency changes between the Virtono VPS and my Smokeping nodes.

    I am wondering if resellers like @greenwebpage are aware of this. They are still selling VPS in "Dublin" or "Madrid".

  • Obviously, there are geopolitical changes going on in the world.

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  • Brings a new meaning to airport chickens

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  • Chickens have evolved the ability to fly. Your chickens flew to the US

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  • @brueggus said:

    "Brussels" seems to be The Hague, NL instead.

    Are you sure? It would explain why they are so cheap. A vps in my home country Belgium is not cheap.

  • @jenkki said:
    Obviously, there are geopolitical changes going on in the world.

    :D
    It seems that the VPS layout has already been affected.

  • @brueggus said:

    @i12h said: I am also worried that they are well aware of this matter.
    I still have a little hope, otherwise even the basic trust will be gone.

    I am 100% sure they are well aware. Servers don't just teleport themselves to different data centers.
    I've had some downtimes in different locations and network issues recently (default gw unreachable), which have been resolved via ticket. I've just checked my Smokeping graph and it seems like these downtimes correlate with recent latency changes between the Virtono VPS and my Smokeping nodes.

    I am wondering if resellers like @greenwebpage are aware of this. They are still selling VPS in "Dublin" or "Madrid".

    I feel that it is necessary to have a blacklist in order to avoid encountering suppliers who act arbitrarily and self-righteously. :'(

    It takes a lot of effort and time. It seems that next time I'll have to choose something that requires spending money instead.

  • @Moopah said:
    Chickens have evolved the ability to fly. Your chickens flew to the US

    They can't just fly away on their own without asking for my opinion. >:)

  • @i12h said:

    @Moopah said:
    Chickens have evolved the ability to fly. Your chickens flew to the US

    They can't just fly away on their own without asking for my opinion. >:)

    It appears they did, good sir.

  • Its summer and very hot in Australia now. Chickens prefer the cold winters in the US.

  • @emgh said:

    @i12h said:

    @Moopah said:
    Chickens have evolved the ability to fly. Your chickens flew to the US

    They can't just fly away on their own without asking for my opinion. >:)

    It appears they did, good sir.

    I'm really useless, so I am flogging a dead horse here. o:)

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  • @rattlecattle said:
    Its summer and very hot in Australia now. Chickens prefer the cold winters in the US.

    Good one, I like it. <3

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  • HosteroidHosteroid Member, Patron Provider

    @jbiloh @DP @FAT32 yet another scam?

  • I don't understand, it's good thing for you or just bad? 🤔😁

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