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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @jlet88 said: Best of luck.

    >

    Thanks friend.

    See you there.

    Francisco

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  • emghemgh Member

    @Francisco said:

    @jlet88 said: BTW, I can't recall if you have recently mentioned a rough launch timeframe? Anything more you can share?

    Paper work with ICANN was officially sent as of mid march. They were paid their application fee a couple days later. They said its around ~4 months or so turn around, so we're mid way through.

    For the absolute immediate we'll likely just use Logicbox's registrar API to provision. This will still be under our registrar branding/direct, it's just we use them to register. This'll allow us to sell domains immediately. We eat a small fee on each domain, but that'll just be something we absorb for the time being.

    I'll then start working on our own integrations with the registrars. The initial system will just be WHMCS w/ our integrations/changes, but in time we'll build the "Stallion of Domains" I guess.

    Francisco

    What languages is the Stallion backend built with?

    It’s okay if you don’t wanna share

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @emgh said: What languages is the Stallion backend built with?

    It’s okay if you don’t wanna share

    PHP.

    Everything is PHP with us. Its what I feel the most comfortable in.

    Maybe we'll look into something more hipster for Namecrane like NodeJS, but I still expect us to stick to PHP.

    Francisco

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  • emghemgh Member

    @Francisco said:

    @emgh said: What languages is the Stallion backend built with?

    It’s okay if you don’t wanna share

    PHP.

    Everything is PHP with us. Its what I feel the most comfortable in.

    Maybe we'll look into something more hipster for Namecrane like NodeJS, but I still expect us to stick to PHP.

    Francisco

    Lol, NodeJS hipster?

    Do some combination of Postgres, Next/or Nuxt and I’ll be worried

  • @Francisco said: NodeJS

    don't. check out python flask, its really simple and non-bloated.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    don't. check out python flask, its really simple and non-bloated.

    @emgh said: Lol, NodeJS hipster?

    Do some combination of Postgres, Next/or Nuxt and I’ll be worried

    Not going to get into this :P I'll think on it once we get to that point. The immediate will be heavy PHP just because of WHMCS.

    Thanks,

    Francisco

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  • pacopaco Member

    @4pple5auc3 said:

    @treesmokah said:
    I'd give Tucows/Hover a shot, they are being resold by countless anon domain registars claiming to offer freedom of speech and have fairly good track record.

    They are Canadians though.

    They also openly said they don't give a shit unless you are hosting obviously illegal content(CP, Malware etc) and only react to court orders.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210419095044/https://tucows.com/blog/2017/12/15/why-tucows-doesnt-take-down-domains-for-website-content-issues/

    From "exotic" registars;
    https://nicenic.net/ - Chinese, they do not care about absolutely anything, even spamhaus.
    https://www.reg.ru/ - Russian, will be fine unless you talk bad words about russia, so not complete freedom of speech, but depends on hosted content.
    https://eranet.com - Chinese, should not care about anything.

    I'm pretty sure Eranet (Hong Kong/China) and some Russian registrars killed off KiwiFarms and DailyStormer. I believe they both only did so after getting contacted though by their own governments. So even Russia and China will sometimes give in to the mob even if the site isn't relevant to their country. Granted, lots of pharma, phishing, piracy, spam, and other similar domains seem to be relatively bulletproof in those places.

    Unfortunately EPIK was one of the few refuges left for many free speech websites and now that company looks to be going under and losing their accreditation due to horrible mismanagement of customer funds.

    Iceland registrars are pretty bulletproof for whistle blower and left leaning politics, but due to their country's laws about hate speech, they still aren't great for all free speech issues.

    I think people need to wait for Fran to launch his or hope someone on LET becomes rich enough to get some FU money and make their own.

    Register your domains in China at your own peril, speaking as someone who can legally do so. Every country has its pet peeves and historically or culturally specific aversion to something that catches those who aren't really on the up and up in history and law blindsided. Offshore to China is porn site hosting, for example, since the CCP has solidified its grasp in a manner where political speech is almost a joke at this point in the public sphere. However, their blindspot is their own authoritarian tendencies when it comes to either the ends of the horseshoe or ethnofascism writ large. They will absolutely kill off anything with a whiff to WWII that portrays it in a way that doesn't fit the CCP's official stance, which is specific and mostly centered on Japan except that the KMT did have German assistance, lumping them in as well (John Rabe excepted). You can call it a mob, but uh, are you really surprised that a country with the endonym of "central country" rejects speech that challenges their own ethnocentric notions of supremacy? Can't speak for Russia, but China literally teaches a K-12 class that is focused on propaganda. No mob required, it's the popular will, since the whole curriculum is based on anti-axis and to a smaller degree, anti-western rhetoric (although ironically, entirely based on Westphalian concepts of sovereignty, possibly the last major nation that still sticks to it). The CCP derives its legitimacy from being "anti-imperialist" and "anti-fascist", and although how they define it isn't how it's defined in the west, enough of it overlap that you are free to phish (or even post Phish bootlegs) but as the joke goes, the only riots you can legally have in China are the ones that are caused the National Men's Soccer Team losing to Japan. And even the Chinese don't think of themselves as having free speech, so any connection there is, well, downright funny, tbh.

    Before Francisco gets his stuff up I'm parking at nja.la for now. I also managed to get ahead of the curve and buy up a bunch of ENS domains and IPFS is always an option, but it's not commonly used enough for anything outwards facing, but at least the barriers are coming down there as well with a more robust IPFS infrastructure than even 1-2 years ago.

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  • treesmokahtreesmokah Member
    edited June 2023

    @paco said: I'm parking at nja.la

    I do not recommend.
    Especially for parking, as you leave the domain completely in their hands, they own it on paper and can legally run away with it.

    And considering that they've done it in the past, maybe not the best idea.

  • @Francisco Good luck with NameCrane, I really hope you succeed.

  • @SiteCrane said:
    @Francisco Good luck with NameCrane, I really hope you succeed.

    were you inspired by his name?
    Updated Date: 2023-06-05T23:32:13Z
    Creation Date: 2023-06-05T22:17:42Z

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  • @treesmokah said:

    @SiteCrane said:
    @Francisco Good luck with NameCrane, I really hope you succeed.

    were you inspired by his name?
    Updated Date: 2023-06-05T23:32:13Z
    Creation Date: 2023-06-05T22:17:42Z

    NameCrane is a smart and cool name, I just hope there be no confusion when we launch our web hosting.

  • can't wait for summer with *crane family.

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  • EasyDNS for free speech. Although at $25/year (including privacy), you probably don't want to put too many domains on that.

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  • @SiteCrane said:

    @treesmokah said:

    @SiteCrane said:
    @Francisco Good luck with NameCrane, I really hope you succeed.

    were you inspired by his name?
    Updated Date: 2023-06-05T23:32:13Z
    Creation Date: 2023-06-05T22:17:42Z

    NameCrane is a smart and cool name, I just hope there be no confusion when we launch our web hosting.

    Let's see it happen. Until that point, you're just a troll.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @malignify said: Let's see it happen. Until that point, you're just a troll.

    The crane things a bit odd for others to use given our use of it stems from a Frantech/BuyVM meme about a hardware shipment.

    Good chance they're hoping to just catch people that might be looking for us, and find them instead, and the person thinks both brands are related.

    We got quite a bit of that when we first started BuyVM and would have our 'sold out in 10 minutes' sales at 2AM. We'd get people logging extremely angry support tickets screaming about how we scammed them, etc. We ask them "how?", they tell us their service was provisioned and it doesn't work blah blah. The funny part is they dont have a service with us and instead had one with someone that was similarly named.

    Francisco

  • emghemgh Member

    @Francisco said:

    @malignify said: Let's see it happen. Until that point, you're just a troll.

    The crane things a bit odd for others to use given our use of it stems from a Frantech/BuyVM meme about a hardware shipment.

    Good chance they're hoping to just catch people that might be looking for us, and find them instead, and the person thinks both brands are related.

    We got quite a bit of that when we first started BuyVM and would have our 'sold out in 10 minutes' sales at 2AM. We'd get people logging extremely angry support tickets screaming about how we scammed them, etc. We ask them "how?", they tell us their service was provisioned and it doesn't work blah blah. The funny part is they dont have a service with us and instead had one with someone that was similarly named.

    Francisco

    I honestly don’t think that’s the case

    I think it’s an uncreative attempt to start a business, probably a low-effort reseller hosting based WHMCS + cPanel that’ll start just in time for summer

  • is kiwifarm still down? when will these degens leave

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  • kaitkait Member

    They have a really bad reputation.

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  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @kait said:

    They have a really bad reputation.

    I appreciate that njal.la is listed in this thread about freedom of speech registrars, although it's not a service I'm personally using for many reasons, some of which have been mentioned. Freedom of speech overlaps quite a bit with privacy too, and abstracting ownership an additional level, so there are use cases for certain situations where njal.la would be useful for some people. But yes, I agree, njal.la has some problematic aspects and it would be wise for someone to do their own research and assess the risk factors -- "bad reputation" is one way of putting it. But technically, out on the outer edges of freedom of speech, njal.la has a role. So I appreciate it was mentioned.

  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @MarcMartin said:
    EasyDNS for free speech. Although at $25/year (including privacy), you probably don't want to put too many domains on that.

    Yes, thank you, I'm checking this out as an option for some critical domains. Price worth it if they really do deliver better protection of freedom of speech. Canada has some legal issues though, but good to see another Canadian company step up. I salute Canadian providers! Although I do like Fran's approach of opening Namecrane in Wyoming, where there will be better protection, in theory. But yes, EasyDNS is an option.

  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @niknar1900 said:
    Orangewebsite?

    FYI - Orangewebsite uses Internet.bs to register domains AFAIK. Orangewebsite is indeed a freedom of speech provider with a good reputation in Iceland, as many of us might be aware, but they are not ICANN accredited.

    Anyone have experience with Internet.bs? That is Bahamas-based if I read correctly, but it also looks like it is owned by CentralNic, which is UK-based. So to evaluate Orangewebsite's domain services in the context of freedom of speech, we need to look at Internet.bs and CentralNic.

  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @alt_ said:
    Netim

    Netim is French - anyone able to compare them to Gandi for freedom of speech issues?

  • sandozsandoz Veteran

    @jlet88 said:

    @niknar1900 said:
    Orangewebsite?

    FYI - Orangewebsite uses Internet.bs to register domains AFAIK. Orangewebsite is indeed a freedom of speech provider with a good reputation in Iceland, as many of us might be aware, but they are not ICANN accredited.

    Anyone have experience with Internet.bs? That is Bahamas-based if I read correctly, but it also looks like it is owned by CentralNic, which is UK-based. So to evaluate Orangewebsite's domain services in the context of freedom of speech, we need to look at Internet.bs and CentralNic.

    Bahamas was bought, run away.

    Easydns is the way. You have nicevps (i don't know which registar they use) and nicenic.net

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  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @jlet88 said:
    Anyone have experience with Internet.bs?

    Apologies, I forgot Fran already commented on Internet.bs - the scenario he mentioned a few pages back is a concern of mine. I think I'll avoid Internet.bs.

  • jlet88jlet88 Member

    @sandoz said:

    @jlet88 said:

    @niknar1900 said:
    Orangewebsite?

    FYI - Orangewebsite uses Internet.bs to register domains AFAIK. Orangewebsite is indeed a freedom of speech provider with a good reputation in Iceland, as many of us might be aware, but they are not ICANN accredited.

    Anyone have experience with Internet.bs? That is Bahamas-based if I read correctly, but it also looks like it is owned by CentralNic, which is UK-based. So to evaluate Orangewebsite's domain services in the context of freedom of speech, we need to look at Internet.bs and CentralNic.

    Bahamas was bought, run away.

    Easydns is the way. You have nicevps (i don't know which registar they use) and nicenic.net

    Yes, Easydns is on my short list for more research, thank you.

    I'll check nicevps, also thank you.

    But nicenic.net is a hard pass for me. I appreciate the mention though. I think someone else mentioned it too. From Nicenic's website: "Hong Kong TOP Data Center, Alibaba Cloud, Baidu Cloud, Tencent Cloud cooperated Hosting & Server Provider, founded in 2006, based in Hong Kong, China" - AND "The laws of China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region will govern this Agreement..."

    Nicenic might be fine for some forms of freedom of speech and lax enforcement in some cases, and I appreciate you mention it though. But I'll take governing jurisdiction of Canada (Easydns for example) with all its flaws, over "China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region" any day of the week in the current global political climate. But others may asses their situation differently based on what they need, and I respect there are different needs, for sure. Thank you for mentioning!

  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran

    They just resell Tucows or whoever.


    Very few domain registrars are actually ICANN accredited. What Fran is doing is rare.

    We'll just resell Namecrane and our existing mix, depending on who is offering what the cheapest at the time. I'd like to think we'd be his biggest reseller, unless @Francisco drops his KYC requirement, then there will be little point in us offering domains as well.

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  • MannDudeMannDude Host Rep, Veteran
    edited June 2023

    @jlet88 said:

    @jlet88 said:
    Anyone have experience with Internet.bs?

    Apologies, I forgot Fran already commented on Internet.bs - the scenario he mentioned a few pages back is a concern of mine. I think I'll avoid Internet.bs.

    Shit happens. Many companies have slipped up in the past. I'd still recommend IBS, even if one company had an issue with them some time ago. Not sure if they have a history of issues like Fran experienced, but i'd still consider them an option.

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  • @treesmokah said:

    @paco said: I'm parking at nja.la

    I do not recommend.
    Especially for parking, as you leave the domain completely in their hands, they own it on paper and can legally run away with it.

    And considering that they've done it in the past, maybe not the best idea.

    nja.la is just as unadvisable as floki.net

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  • @MannDude said:

    They just resell Tucows or whoever.


    Very few domain registrars are actually ICANN accredited. What Fran is doing is rare.

    We'll just resell Namecrane and our existing mix, depending on who is offering what the cheapest at the time. I'd like to think we'd be his biggest reseller, unless @Francisco drops his KYC requirement, then there will be little point in us offering domains as well.

    incognet and domains from namecrane ... a dream wedding

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