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Yes I can confirm that VirMach is owned and operated by ColoCrossing.
That might explain why they have so many Buffalo NY VPS for sale during BF?
Thanks for clarifying this!
Sorry, maybe a relatively noob question but: are you with Virmach or with ColoCrossing or based on what can you make that statement?
VirMach isnt owned by ColoCrossing, at all. Its an independent business. The owner is a terrific guy and has many plans for VirMach. I highly doubt he would ever sell it.
This thread is useless.
I am with everyone including Microsoft, Apple, Sony etc.
I can confirm that Colocrossing owns everyone including the house opposite you
Thanks. Oh and: please tell the people on the other side of the street to keep the heavy metal volume a bit lower past midnight.
Finally a voice of reason.
On the other hand, if it's true that VirMach is secretly owned by CC, then it would be a secret (naturally), and it's doubtful that @MikePT would think that VirMach is owned by CC.
Thanks for the discussion and insights of the past.
Thanks for clarifying.
I haven't seen so far cc ghost to use other dc's then owned by cc, or have eu locations and ipv6. While Virmach use ServerHub for EU and some of the US locations are also on ServerHub. Or perhaps CC went with other strategy give customers ipv6, who knows
It is not so much a pattern among other things, it is more that if it is not owned either legally or unofficially or by nudge nudge wink wink I scratch your back you fill my pockets, it is that they would be the only brand ever to be the exception, hence my mild skepticism and saying that if a dog bits you 9 times if you put your hand out, why would you think it wont on the 10th time?
What @MikePT says is true and fair also however, exactly the same was said about HVH for a meaningful period of time, either way I don't see any bubble bursting, they do not seem even remotely similar, few crazy deals but overall they seem to offer good service and public opinion is high!
edit: And also at this point in this history of CC/LET/LEB ... who really cares.
The result is the same: If CC wants Virmach to close shop, it's game over.
Should I remind all of you that HiFormance also had servers with non-CC providers (QN)? So obviously that means nothing.
Perhaps I missed something, but I don't think that the conclusion was that HF was owned by CC.
Really? I mean I definitely could be wrong,but I was super sure that it is a CC shadow company..
My goodness this place has turned into a poop eating phrenzy.
That wasn't the main point of the thread on HF, nor did people seem to be suggesting this conclusion.
HF was a shady CC-reseller (not exclusively CC), and CC tried to "protect" them by deleting their offers from LEB after they deadpooled.
Ah, gotcha. Well by either supporting a scam host or running it - they are still knee deep into it, maybe thats what caused my confusion. Thanks for the clarification.
Stop this obsession please.
I dont know, I don’t care. Cheap servers, that’s all I care.
For now, until you accidentally stumble into a server on their network and find out just how god awful it is and try to ticket and it doesn't go your way. Then you will be back here to call the host a scam and all the sudden you will miraculously care a lot more about it.
People who an issue doesn't affect rarely care about the issue until it has some effect on them as well.
ColoCrossing has a lot of very shady practices and businesses. The best part is, if they are doing their job right, you won't know your on a CC provider until you figure out your server is down, the support is incompetent and your not getting your money back without a fight (coming to LET to beg). Then and only then will you have had the full ColoCrossing experience.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
Without obsession, mankind would have gone extinct.
I don't quite get it. From what I know, being associated with CC is considered a big minus. So why do some here willfully associate Virmach with CC?
Is there any factual basis for that?
You don't need to get it. Just go with the flow, em, whatever flow that is.
The buffalo is nigh.
Well, minimally, VirMach resell CC-servers (but not only CC-servers), so this is a clear association between VirMach and CC.
But some people (not me) appear (to want) to believe that the association is deeper: that CC secretly own VirMach (and want to hide this fact from the LET community). I at least don't see any reason to believe that this is the case (but I concede that it would be more intriguing if it were the case).
Considering how many deals during Black Friday.it is probably owned by CC. I don't have any doubts about it because you cannot fake ipv4 used. People should be happy. It means they won't go bankrupt. I wouldn't use them for business though.
Lol. I think it's time to get the water tested.
At transcedental level, the existence of Virmach relies on love from community, combined with a very small margin of profit springing from owner's passion for Information Technology. To this complex aspect of emotional and logical value, we may also add the intents of ColoCrossing to evolve their increasing greedy and charismatic profits by acquiring a thriving reseller such as Virmach.
Therefore, in respect for Virmach, and without being in any way good at my small attempt to emit suppositions, I consider Virmach would not be sold any time soon, simply because of that deep-down love for servers, driven from interest burning the owner deep inside with that obvious passion mentioned earlier, and proven on LET throughout time.
At spiritual level, karma will not allow such transaction to happen, or angels and demons will turn back on ColoCrossing with great might and with great power within LET community, to smite down what was once a great company.