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You used the services of PP to make payment to the seller, then defrauded the money from PP, who was selling you a service (money transference) for a fee.
Well, I suppose we can split hairs and say it's fraud and not theft, so that makes you a fraudster instead of a thief.
And of course you're the judge and executioner society bestowed justice upon, right? Justifications dude, justifications.
That's right, that's fraud too.
I don't do that because I don't like defrauding others. You do that because you find it right within your moral code.
What does this mean? The action itself is fraud - there's no gray area here. From there on, we just have different values. What I'm saying is that you should be proud of being a thief if that's aligned with your values and not try to justify your theft.
What part of "consumer protection" law is interpreted as "fraud is ok" by the courts?
I see that, yes.
Okay we can agree to disagree then.
My morals are telling my inner self I am using the law to my advantage in order to “get even” with those greedy crapulous corporations.
I will gladly accept that you refer to me as a fraudster or a fraudulent individual. Not as a thief or a criminal though.
Case settled rather than closed.
That is fraud. Literally the definition of it.
I do not understand how this is eluding you.
Fraud is a criminal offense, you are a criminal. Simple.
Okay then let’s reverse the things here and get back on track with the next example, shall we?
This is the year 2021, HiFormance owners are back in the scamming business under a new identity and everything is going well for them until fictious forum user named RandomDude spots them, walks over to the DC they operate their new scamming malpractices off and manages to walk away with half the hardware they operate their new scamming operations on.
Who’s the thief here? Is it RandomDude or is it HiFormance?
Who will you stand with in the aforementioned scenario?
Has justice been served to you?
PS: This scenario works well with Joshua Prout as well, it’s not just HiFormance.
It's fraud.
You're doing a fraud, since from the Apple terms:
Apple [...] warrants the Apple-branded iPhone [...] against defects in materials and workmanship when used normally in accordance with Apple's published guidelines for a period of ONE (1) YEAR [...] Apple’s published guidelines include but are not limited to information contained in technical specifications, user manuals and service communications.
You're not taking advantage of a "flawed" system, you're just a moron.
This is the year 2019 instead, and the "Eye for an eye" rule has already been deprecated a couple thousands of years ago.
When is enough is enough? When do you stop talking? Being such a bad ass (dumb ass) to random people on a forum cool? Yes I don't want a admitted fraudster here. He is in the same boat as Mr. Prout! Enjoy the holiday!
@hckhenrique So you didn't refund your clients? So you made money off this and trying to get the orginal money invested in it. You don't deserve the refund in my book. It is the cost of doing business. Anyways good luck on the matter.
neither fish nor fowl ... nor thief, nor troll?
Just because you got scammed, it doesn't mean you should scam others to recover.
Geez, it looks like a scam host attracted a bunch of potential scammers.
@hckhenrique claimed already to have refunded his clients here:
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/2930963/#Comment_2930963
Was meant at tcp6 more than OP actually.
I didn't like the dude when he cried foul for missing out a BF deal and eventually got the deal. BF is, what, 3 months past?
@deank yeah i see
I agree.
Everything will come back at some point.
These "angel" people throwing stones as if they're saints. 😂😂 gtfo.
An opportunity to remind about the importance of backups.
Also don't forget the backups of backups and the backups of backups of backups.
I did it... I posted an answer before. I gave all the money back and I offered them 1 year of free service. They knew where it was hosted and I have them ftp access.
But reading the comments I just see people saying that I am the wrong here. How could I know that they would steal my money and close the server?
You all say that know we shouldnt host a client simple website on it. Why? Isnt that the wrong part? Did you know these clients asked for a cheap host? Also, why cheap host needs to be understanding as it will close after 3 weeks? how can I still be the wrong here for 100% of your comments? Why this website where we are right now exists? if for all of you is reasonable we lose 3 weeks after we buy a 3 years service if we buy something from here?
I really dont know... your comments make me sad.
So ok, I was wrong and I am the vilan. Hiformance was totally right and you guys are amazing!
In part, the fault still lies on you. You were the one responsible for everything including backup in case of fuckup as well as your choice to use that host that bailed on you, the host that had several warning signs all over.
You basically cheaped out too much and it backfired. Don't learn from this.
Seriously?
Being hiformance a scam company, does not rely you from your responsibilities. YOU were the one chose to host CLIENTS on an EXTREMELY cheapo service. YOU chose to go with a company WITHOUT any background or reputation, because you just saw an online ad on a random forum (LEB) that already has crappy reputation over the last years because of promoting mostly crappy hosts. YOU put there clients for profit without even taking constant backup and having a disaster plan.
It;s 100% of your fault about your business and your clients. 100%!
Please, could you tell us some details?
He paid 26, I believe.
26 for 3 years. That should have rang the alarm.
In Brazil we get vacations from christmas to new year. We call that collective vacations.
So I wasnt here when they put the server off.
They were 3 clients. One didnt care that much. Other post a bad review on my office fanpage on Facebook. The third one got pretty bad.
The backup itself is not a big deal. They were all wordpress themes. And we could easily replace the data. They were angry about the website to be offline.
Since they bought the service from me, I know my responsibilities... That is why I told you guys that I gave the money back (about $120 one year) and I promised them give a free service for another new year. (my idea was moving them to my Linode instances, where I keep my real clients [ e-commerces, erps, cms, etc... ]), but one of them (the facebook review guy) didn't like the idea.
I know better than anyone, my clients bought the idea to have their websites online. And I didnt give that to them, so it is my fault, as you know I am paying the price.
But that doesnt give any GOOD REASON for Hiformance delete the server after 3 weeks that is how you people are making that look.
Not sure about your country, but here when you go to buy a product or a service and you see... Oh, its this hardware. its this ram memory, this harddisk, this network connection,
it is for 3 years, they are giving me a 100mb file to check the speed. We have a deal,
we should receive that. The server could be horrible in speed, that is not a big deal
all these 3 websites together doesnt get 10 visits/day, the problem was... They be offline.
So can you people stop saying how wrong I am, and give Hiformance a little bit of guilty on this?
Ps. sorry any english mistake, I didnt re-read that, so good chances I wrote wrong words.
Stop crying.
Move on.
No hope, I see.
Yes move on. This is a misadventure, but it happens. Learn from "your" mistakes, learn from the mistake made by "others", use this to enhance your business / service. As for bad reviews, this happens too, some might be legitimate, other not. Just move forward, try your best.
So 360 * 3 clients= 1080$ vs 26$/3y and you can't afford backup solution or at least a reputable provider (like linode as you have one). What a deal.
So, here's what happened:
We are not defending Hiformance here. We all know how bad they are (were). We are criticizing "providers" like you: really incapable, ignorant, cheapo, amateurish and childish.
Plz, u r raping him. Show him some mercy.