New on LowEndTalk? Please Register and read our Community Rules.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.
Comments
I made a really poor taste WWI/WWII joke- and you had to take it farther.
I like you, kid- you got Moxie!
@Francisco we need moar slices to stop this new Linode menace!
I know I must resist... Must resist...
LET. The forum that a thread about a new offer from a provider, can switch easily to discussion about abuse, then to DDoS mitigation and ends in talking about the differences of the european languages!
Exactly!
Fantastic thread by the way, thanks to @Maounique, @bsdguy and all those involved!
It achieves what it is intended to achieve. It is not my fault that some ranges are so poorly managed that I can't easily get allocation information at a finer detail than the /8. If you have IP addresses from a garbage provider like that contact them to fix the problem, don't come here and whine about it to me. I'll just tell you to do business with someone more professional, or to start using IPv6 already.
You're doing a poor job of it, so I suggest sticking to quoting. The fact remains that I am seeing direct abuse; everything I do is predicated on that. The problem would disappear if providers legitimately engaged in sufficient "prevention". But they do not. Spam is still an issue. WordPress/PHP exploit scans happen hourly. And that's even after I drop large ranges into my firewall. Instead of trying to vilify me for defending myself, turn your critical eye on the people who continue to allow the abuse.
Apparently they are, because you continue to characterize my "allowing" as an "active role". Quite the contrary. I explicitly stated what an acceptable active role might be (compensating victims), but you conveniently clip those parts. There are other actions that can be taken, but no amount of cleanup after the fact changes the reality that abuse was allowed to happened.
A related issue I take is with providers that respond to reports with shady answers like "we'll take whatever action we deem appropriate." I've seen that kind of nonsense for over 15 years. It hasn't stopped the spam problem. It's not stopping the PHP/WordPress exploit problem. It won't stop the increasing DDoS problem. If Linode does null route their own customers when they're a victim of an attack, they are a shit provider that doesn't even deserve $5.
Even by that measure, we get back to the original question of what this choice of business model "encourages". Are these types of offers likely to be used for abuse? My logs certainly say it's more than just likely! So, yes, even an active definition of "allows" covers what these providers are doing.
And, again, if you want to demonstrate to me you actually want reports of abuse, pay me for them. Stop trying to steal even more of my time before you act to stop the abusers you're helping. Police your own network.
Pot, kettle. You're the one who seems to be defending the actions of abusers rather than trying to find a real solution to the problem. I've dealt with too many people who think like you, and they're why abuse is only getting worse. I fully acknowledge that I engage in overkill when I use my firewall, but I really have little choice so long as the abusive actions of others is an expense on my books. Change the accounting if you want to change the results.
Trivia: all the words in English for fancy foods are Latin-derived (beef, veal, wine) while words for plain meats are German-derived (ox, sheep, mutton, ale, mead).
That pretty much explains the Anglo-Saxon experience for the first couple hundred years after 1066...Normans got the fancy meat, Saxons got slop.
Not at all (hostile). Actually you are among the people here whom I like to read, except for those where you seem to be ready to do just about anything to be funny.
I reacted pissed because the us-americans and many brits just take it for granted that everyone speaks english while they them themselves are not exactly known to speak other languages. Moreover they tend to mercilessly butcher pretty much everything phonetically. Zero respect for other cultures and languages, they intonate everything as if it was an english word.
While I'm happy to receive @jarland's compliment I also know that my english is far from perfect. What I (like any other non native speaker) achieved, is the result of lots of work and I find it reckless and ignorant to respectlessly push all those efforts into the dirt for a quick joke.
Moreover I still remember how tough and sometimes even (socially) brutal cociu was ridiculed and treated here for his english.
(Which btw also explains why I'm usually much friendlier to non brits or us-americans. If, say in France, you try to speak french, even if lousy, they do see the effort and they value it)
Dream on. Have that since years in my home office plus on C7 in the company. If you want to be really cool put Oberon on it. Until then you are just another beautiful blonde ...
Sure. In France they developed culture, science, and savoir vivre while the brits were busy killing people a over the world and the us-americans were busy killing the natives in "their" land.
But seriously, I get your point and you are right. I also sometimes wonder how life must have been for one or the other idiom to come up. Funny example: When drunk in france one is "black" while in germany one is "blue" while in the anglo countries one is probably not anymore capable to discern colours anyway *g
Not to mention that being "pissed" has different meanings: drunk or mad. We could probably go on all day...
I was under the impression that the opposite was true in France specifically, but I've never been there other than the airport alas. May be a myth.
When I've traveled to other countries - or just dealt with people from those countries - what you say is very true. A little language goes a long way.
Indeed, it's not just language...my minor in comparative religion has served me extremely well in IT.
I think the main thing is not to be the "ugly American" and treat people with respect...well, as they say, everything you really needed to know in life you learned in kindergarten.
If you're suggesting that I would post something solely for the purposes of making people laugh, why, that is an outrageous claim!
I'm still having issues with OVH and IPv6, since they don't advertise routes and setting a direct route to it is fairly oblique. It seems to work, but doesn't. I can ping the darn gateway so I know it's a routing issue, but 0/0 -> route/128 doesn't seem to work any better than anything else that I've tried.
That's totally normal. IPv6 was invented by clueless idiots for clueless idiots (not meaning to attack you). Why the hell should anything properly work with it?
Which one? OneSite or BitNinja?
None of the above - my Atom doesn't like the odd way OVH makes you setup a static route to the gateway first under OpenBSD. Fine with Linux and FreeBSD, looks fine with OBSD, but it's returning some rather bizarre data for the network routes. Got tired of playing with it for now.
This tutorial might be of some use with OpenBSD and OVH: https://www.tumfatig.net/20161124/encrypted-openbsd-6-0-in-the-ovh-cloud/
Uk, ok. I thought people mess with OpenBDSM and other
deviantsderivatives exactly for this kind of thrill when vanilla just doesnt cut it for them anymore.P.S. Still doesn't excuse you from not participing in OneSite thread. If laughter prolongs life, you will become immortal! Go go go.
Thanks, but it's not. The only issue that I haven't been able to figure out is how to get IPv6 work.
I can't seem to find my local link address for the damn gateway (which is outside of my network). Yeah, OVH is retarded at times.
No number of arps, ndp, et al have gotten me any closer to discovering the link address, and OVH won't be of much use.
I dunno. @Amitz gave me a playful warning (which I had asked for days ago), and I don't know if he was gently telling me to stop wasting so much bandwidth, or just playing along.
I'll tell you, though, I did feel a bit of joy outing that 2013 regdate fake Bayer Doctor last night.
Well, put up virtualbox or proxmox and you can give it an IPv6 in OBSD run as guest. Atom doesnt want to run natively? Punish it!
..that's a hell of a way to abuse a 2G machine that barely keeps up with itself. If I can't figure out how to extract this proper data, I'll throw it on the backburner. I'd like to get full IPv6 so I can get my nameservers off of Debian..
IPv6 is uncool and very yesteryear anyway. The future is IPv21 with 2^256 addresses.
Major advantages:
I don't see either esr writing crap, or anything in linux commits about IPv21 yet tho
We're going to run out of addresses with ipv21:
http://www.eoht.info/page/Number+of+atoms+in
Sure. So what? IPv73 is already in the planning. 512 MB long IP addresses.
But first we gonna milk IPv6 and then the IPv21 cow.
But you lit up a GREAT idea in my head! With all the money my cisco and juniper shares will earn me I will not start 3 but 17 competing free hosting providers - and in different universes!
And now I have to go back to work on my great plan, namely how to put porn videos in those IPv73 addresses.
Since you're all talking about BSD... I have a NetBSD VM in Promox that work perfectly fine on CC network (Virmach dedi). I've tried the same thing on OVH and can't get the gw to communicate properly (Network unreachable) even if I had set the MAC address properly in Proxmox. I've heard that's because the gw is outside the primary network? I didn't had this problem with FreeBSD. Anyway, the OVH network can be frustrating sometimes.
If it's indeed true that ovh hands out network masks that don't cover the gateway your server can obviously not reach the gateway.
Unlike what some think (and write) the network mask simply tells the OS what IPs are (potentially) reachable on what it considers its LAN (or multiple). Anything outside the/those LAN(s) must be routed (through a router with an interface within the LAN).
So, if the above statement about ovh is true, simply shit on what they give you as network mask and adapt it to include the gateway.
OMG I knew someone still had one...
I love the idea of NetBSD but it's been ages since I heard of anyone still running it. I've played with it but unless there's some hardware that only NetBSD supports, I never saw the point. Not to be all "BSD is dying" meme, but NetBSD seems to be dying.
Netcraft confirms it.
"it"?