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I hate those people arguing for control everywhere, LET is not USSR. If you want some people to decide what you can do or not go to North Korea and be happy.
And I think most of the shitty hostings deserve some chances if they improve their services or you are dumb enough.
It's the same old argument about "doing your research". Fine. Some of us are (almost) indiscriminately buying cheap hosts and some will disappear, that is easy to accept.
But if we're talking about hosts that aren't even hosts (i.e. no hosting given) then surely there's a distinction to be made. At that point, it seems you'd be willing to accept any advertising here as long as they look like a web host.
If the barrier is that low, I'll just source them from elsewhere with less garbage around.
@Maounique Why you are here posting on the forum?
To learn and help others. If you are non productive just go to google and do your research the way you said it, you dont need to post here, or this is your diary and you are writing your thoughts every day?
@shrubbles we are not talking about shitty hosts, we are talking about scam hosts so everything you have said is invalid.
@ricardo thumbs up
They've been around for a long time, it's not like they never provide services. This is terrible, shitty service but it's not a scam. It's an error or an oversight.
Look at OPs screenshot. Two months between "install ubuntu for me" and "server is down". Obviously they received service.
I'd rather not have you than have you moan about the same thing ad nauseam. If you can't be arsed to google then you deserve to loose every penny, especially after the number of times you've been over this now.
Well your requirement for whatever it is you do may be 2 or 3 hosts and that's fine. You pick the ones that the community spout undenying love for and you won't have a problem.
If you're after hundreds of hosts you will come into this problem more often. Do you have direct experience of this?
Basically all you're implying in your post is that the hosts around here are generally crap and that it's people's fault for buying them.
Pretty much. You can still get burned but it'll happen less often.
Yes, many years ago I thought it was worth it to save a few $$. It's not. Your time is money and the time it takes to restore what was lost or the time you spend fixing it in tickets is worth way more than the $1 or $2 savings for unstable specs.
Couldn't of worded that part better myself, basically all of them are garbage. There's a few worth going with and I sing their praises often.
It's not all about new or old either, once you're used to doing the research you'll be able to pick up with a pretty good success rate who is going to succeed and who isn't by looking at the way they talk to people, the uniqueness of their service, the funding or people behind it and the prices of their plans.
So you're agreeing there's many useless providers at LET that basically this is a big time wasting exercise?
I was their client from 08/29/2011 to 02/28/2014.
Experience with server: mostly up and running
Experience with staff: almost nonexistent
As long everything work as it should there's mostly no issue with this host (and NY1 node was damn stable), but god help you when something go wrong. Their extremely slow (it can take a weeks) support response was main reason why I finally cancelled service with them.
Crappy host, but not scam - that's my experience. Everything about them was written numerous times. @vladimir and @ricardo what's your experience with them? Did they just stole your money or something?
It'd be interesting to hear the difference between "crappy host" and "scam". I suppose a cut-n-shut car is "crappy" but "scammy" by another person's definition.
I'll leave you chaps to it and your researching of providers. With a bit port scanning, and WHOIS of IPs and digging of domains you can build up a really nice list of providers. IIRC I found 12,000 last time I tried it. I guess that list is no worse or no better than anything put out here.
No? I agree they're crap but I don't think the staff here have to dedicate their lives to making sure you don't pis away your money. As well as an open market unless you've been openly scamming there's also open discussion here and a search function so you're also free to share experiences and find out what other people think of them.
If you want somewhat vetted offers, go to LowEndBox or start your own highly moderated forum. Bad providers were advertising here before you came and they'll be advertising here after you leave too, it's the natural order of things here, the same way it's natural for impulsive idiots to lose their money.
There's a wealth of bad experiences and fall outs here and on every other hosting forum on the web. It is your fault for not knowing the industry but expecting to pay bare minimum pricing.
Want to be sure they're reliable? Put the cash up and go with someone like WiredTree, RackSpace etc. It's a trade off.
Did you read any of my post, I have not even once mentioned their name/company, the conversations flared after someone said its alright to have scam host in the advertising section.
Just so you know, when DO came out I heard the same thing, there must be a catch, its unreliable for production, its this or that. Now people are swearing in it. So no need to go to RackSpace or WiredTree and throw unnecessarily money for stability trade.
DigitalOcean had a unique service at the time, it was obvious they wouldn't disappear overnight. Add to that the $3.2Million they raised last year in funding and almost $40Million they have raised this year through venture capital and it's pretty easy to see why you should trust DigitalOcean over someone like AlienVPS.
Once you get used to doing research you should also develop your bullshit radar.
@AThomasHowe DO didn't have that the 3.2M raised at that time, and how would you separate a unique service from scam then?
I think its easier to unwrap the shit and wrap it in a new fancy package and someone will buy it for sure.
research aside
This is a hosting community and scams should not be promoted through it, just like you dont promote malware trough a security community. End of story.
And as the moderator confirmed scam is not allowed in the ads section, no need for you or anybody else to claim anymore that we need to do our research before we press the ad link.
Who said that?
AThomasHowe, I'd like to hear more about how you went about buying lots of hosts, it'd be interesting. TBH though I get the impression from your responses that you're winging it in your replies.
I think vladimir has it right, in my opinion.
I think this was pretty self explanatory, and if you have read my previous posts you would not make such a dick post.
So do you expect from site administration to have on their desk financial report, know background, and so on... of every company which advertise here and vouch for their service and quality?
I am sorry, but no one on internet will do this work for you.
The same is with "z0mg, that's scam" screamers - it's just about personal experience. Write it, introduce it here, but don't expect from forum staff to intervene in your personal affairs. We simply can't be judge and jury in every private matter.
I will quote one of my older posts for better understanding:
This dick post was because it seems like you made a decision about things you're not familiar with and preach them as a fact. Anyway, there's no one who can guarantee for 3rd party companies - is this so hard to understand? All what you (and I) have are reviews from a people who actually use those service. This is what this comuniy is about. From there you're on your own.
If you purchase from them or don't.. I don't care. It's your money. Your responsibility. But I will appreciate if you write review later for the rest of us who actually do some homework before we spend our hard earned money. Like said - that's what this community is about.
Custom panel, hourly billing at low end prices, lots of locations, people experienced in the industry
That's true, but...
...you're not describing scam hosts, you're describing shitty hosts. You can't not provide services here and run off with peoples money. You can give shitty support, shitty service and shitty uptime.
Let's go through some of your bad experiences. For a start you've had shitty service with AlienVPS for a while. This is proof AlienVPS aren't worth your time, look at peoples replies in that thread.
Issues with BlueVM.
http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/17528/soo-bluevm-is-down-again
http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/653533/#Comment_653533
Comments in this thread http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/645787/#Comment_645787
http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/644893/#Comment_644893
These guys aren't a scam by far but it's clear you shouldn't be hosting your production stuff on them.
Fastbox.net
Almost nothing on these guys but stuff about free hosting... but let's look at their site.
http://www.fastboxes.net/vpshosting.php
All the plans are the same? Or they don't care about their site? Probably not a good choice then. It's at least been this way for weeks, probably longer.
LowEnd.co
We all could have done more research on this one but Michael had deadpooled before.
Considering hostfly.in
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1157658
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1056594
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1045140
Not to mention you have 70 boxes as per that thread. These are just from your posted threads.
What providers do I use? Inception/LowEndSpirit (and I guess Ransom IT), i83, Vultr, SecureDragon, DigitalOcean, a free box at Virtua Club and one box that's meh over at GVH that I picked up knowing what I was getting in for.
Some of these threads may not have existed when you went with them but they were just examples, you should do more research. Don't expect people to hold your hand every step of the way, you're an adult with control and responsibility for your own money.
Alienvps = Scam.
To rewind it a little, several members here have signed up to AlienVPS and has ranged from not getting a service at all, to poor quality service, to no service at all after X amount of time.
The OP has suggested they shouldn't be allowed to advertise because clearly, they're not up to the job (unless someone has a use for a host that has nowhere near 90% uptime). I think they have a fair point in suggesting this.
The prevailing answer is "do your research" or "don't expect others to do it for you". Well we're dealing with direct experience of people using this host. Obviously for people to "do their research" they require people with direct experience. Obvious logic there.
@Spirit Ok to end this, I was not posting about the host (that's why i gave you a tip to read my previous posts), I posted about the member who said its ok to have scam running in the ads.
hope this makes it clear.
A potential problem is that people might see the ads as implicit endorsement from the site (these providers are legitimate, you can consider them for your next vps needs) and the sometimes grey area between incompetence and scam (e.g. a week or more delay before provisioning, in the meantime the neglected customer doesn't know how long to wait or has already gone to a forum and called scam. If the customer waited long enough maybe he'll eventually receive vps, it goes on record as poor support. If he made a chargeback, no vps, is it a scam?)
Generally I think people should check for reviews before purchase. Considering the DIY element to unmanaged services, I would have expected most of the audience to already do this. However, it may be in the interests of LEB to feature providers with (mostly) good reputations, at least on LE*, as poor service of providers advertised could reflect negatively on LEB by association (one or a few mediocre or suspect ones and people become wary of the ones they haven't heard of on display, maybe less likely to click.)
I haven't checked, but if LEB already has a standard disclaimer sort of statement to cover itself (basically, the hosts in articles or any advertising are provided as a directory service, use at your own risk, we encourage you to give feedback on any of the providers, etc.) then it's not the website's fault if people went straight in without getting others' feedback or checking the provider TOS.
Maybe I overlooked something, but I really couldn't find this statement by anyone.
I don't believe we've ever been in such strong agreement.
@souen We understand that, but when you go to a community who exposes and bust's scam do you expect them to advertise scam in the ads? Sure no, you can do your research about the service quality but its not acceptable to have KNOWN scam in the ads.
As for this provider, I dont know the rules on let about entitling someone as scam but if this provider is confirmed as one at some point I hope the link form the ads will be removed.
This is where it slips into grey area and criteria for what will be considered a "scam". The ones "busted" are often ones where there is evidence (inconsistent provider information, multiple identities to make it look like different people operating and other such practices) to mark the company as highly suspect. As others have noted, I doubt LEB would knowingly feature such providers.
More often, it's just a few negative voices, or one person's claim against another, is it enough? There are also people who see that feedback and still take the risk anyway. The most LE* could probably do is make the data and feedback available and let people decide.
LEBs are risky. There ARE some top notch providers and anyone is free to pick one and enjoy. Linode, ramnode, etc, you name.
LET's Advertising Sidebar, is like Craigslist
LET's Quarterly Top Providers Poll, is like CARFAX
If repeatedly negative feedback gets spread about a specific provider in one of the ads then wouldn't it be wise to disallow them to advertise further? Providing shitty hosting services ruins the paid-for expected experience for a customer, it is not weird that people will feel ripped-off/scammed in such case. Nobody likes a bad service right?