Tor-friendly VPS in Romania

Mainfrezzer · September 4

@forest said:

@Mainfrezzer said:

@forest said:

@Mainfrezzer said: But how much will you trust a service that has this on their website.

About as much as one that says:

Seedbox Allow
Allow plex or others
Public torrents Allow
ADULT Websites Allow
Web 3.0 / Free Speech Allow
Allow Tor Exit/Relay/Bridge

They allow a lot, but not everything:

NO!! CP, DDoS, Spoofing,
Ransomware,SPAM

Their ToS is pretty straight-forward too:

NO DDOS ATTACKS / IP SPOOFING / SPAM OR ANY THINGS WHAT PUT OUR IPS IN BLACKLIST
NO KIDS PORN , OR AI WITH KIDS PORN , OR DEAD KIDS PHOTOS FROM WARS OR DRUGS/WEAPONS OR OTHER SIMILAR THINGS , WE CONTACT IMEDIATLY POLICE

There wasn't even an attempt at effort in that ToS excerpt. If one already doesn't give a fuck there, how can you expect that at other parts 🤣

It's a god damn contract.

Fruits and vegetables.

it s allow

The 🍅 is legally a vegetable in the United States despite being obviously a fruit...

It's not like I don't believe the claims, its just awful enough to not consider any "official" business with it.

Now privately, under the table, sure, I would hand him cash. Same as the drug dealer downstairs.

forest · September 4

@Mainfrezzer said: The 🍅 is legally a vegetable in the United States despite being obviously a fruit...

Vegetable is a culinary term whereas fruit is both culinary and biological. So it's kind of both.

@Mainfrezzer said: It's not like I don't believe the claims, its just awful enough to not consider any "official" business with it.

Same. I wouldn't host prod with iHostArt, but it's good enough for what I use it for. Or would have stayed so if not for the price increase and discontinuation of their cheap storage plan.

deafcon · September 4

@forest said:

@Mainfrezzer said: The 🍅 is legally a vegetable in the United States despite being obviously a fruit...

Vegetable is a culinary term whereas fruit is both culinary and biological. So it's kind of both.

@Mainfrezzer said: It's not like I don't believe the claims, its just awful enough to not consider any "official" business with it.

Same. I wouldn't host prod with iHostArt, but it's good enough for what I use it for. Or would have stayed so if not for the price increase and discontinuation of their cheap storage plan.

He announced on their discord that the 3TB plan is staying, but it's going up to 30 Euros. Still a heck of a price hike for an unreliable and oversold service, but...

rpqu · September 4

@forest said:
OR DEAD KIDS PHOTOS FROM WARS

Huh? Is this illegal?

forest · September 4

@rpqu said:

@forest said:
OR DEAD KIDS PHOTOS FROM WARS

Huh? Is this illegal?

Very, and he will contact imediatly police

War journalism, it s not allow

William · September 4

@rpqu said:

@forest said:
OR DEAD KIDS PHOTOS FROM WARS

Huh? Is this illegal?

Its a post communist country so probably, but then again porn is legal in RO (and bestiality in HU) so who knows

concept · September 4

@WiFi said:
So it looks like we need to work with M247 directly. They seem to be largely indifferent to abuse complaints. They simply forward the reports to the customer, and that is apparently the end of it.

However, M247 has moved away from the VPS business and now sells only dedicated servers directly, typically in the €300-500 price range. At least, that is what their sales department says when asked about purchasing a VPS. The VPS247.com website is no longer current and is expected to be shut down or restructured.

And yes, the M247 network is full of questionable traffic. I see 2-5 attacks per day against my website originating from their network. Apparently, the business model works something like this: M247 sells a dedicated server, someone sets up a VM host on it, then sells VM guests to other customers, and those VM guests end up generating all kinds of threats, attacks, and other malicious traffic across the Internet.

You submit an abuse report, receive a response saying, "We have forwarded this to our customer," and then nothing else happens.

That is actually what attracted me to them.

A lot of VPNs use M247 network.

William · September 5

Intovps in Cluj-Napoca, also some other ISP there i forgot, maybe starting with V, same DC also

WiFi · September 5

@concept said: A lot of VPNs use M247 network.

Absolutely correct! According to my site stats, M247 networks are the #1 source of attacks, including vulnerability scans and WordPress attacks. IONOS, DigitalOcean, AWS, Alibaba, and others are far behind in the statistics.

forest · September 5

@WiFi said:

@concept said: A lot of VPNs use M247 network.

Absolutely correct! According to my site stats, M247 networks are the #1 source of attacks, including vulnerability scans and WordPress attacks. IONOS, DigitalOcean, AWS, Alibaba, and others are far behind in the statistics.

Which pretty much means any Tor exit in Romania I use will have to have M247 upstream!

Tange · September 15

@WiFi said:

Absolutely correct! According to my site stats, M247 networks are the #1 source of attacks, including vulnerability scans and WordPress attacks. IONOS, DigitalOcean, AWS, Alibaba, and others are far behind in the statistics.

any competitors to M247? it's much better than those so called "DMCA ignored" provider

WiFi · September 15

@Tange said: any competitors to M247? it's much better than those so called "DMCA ignored" provider

I’m not sure what you mean by competitors. M247 itself only sells dedicated servers now. VPSs are sold by partners, and their policies add another layer of risk on top of M247’s own policies.

Tange · September 15

@WiFi said:

I’m not sure what you mean by competitors. M247 itself only sells dedicated servers now. VPSs are sold by partners, and their policies add another layer of risk on top of M247’s own policies.

i mean any other dedicated server provider treat abuse like M247 ( just forward the abuse email to customer and no more actions ) ??

i checked their site, the bandwidth is so expensive, 1900+ euros for 10Gbps

WiFi · September 15

@Tange said: i mean any other dedicated server provider treat abuse like M247 ( just forward the abuse email to customer and no more actions ) ??

i checked their site, the bandwidth is so expensive, 1900+ euros for 10Gbps

There are some discussions about this on the forum, but the budget is €500-1,200 per month, and I’m not sure what port speed you would get for that.

William · September 15

1900€ for 10G of abusive traffic is an absolute steal, you have no idea.
Bulletproof BGP blends right now sell for 100€/Mbit but you dont need that, any Ecatel reseller wont care.

cloromorpho · September 15

@William said:
1900€ for 10G of abusive traffic is an absolute steal, you have no idea.
Bulletproof BGP blends right now sell for 100€/Mbit but you dont need that, any Ecatel reseller wont care.

Novogara?

William · September 16

Yes, i will never use that name.

NovogaraNL · September 16

Just to clarify, since Novogara was mentioned her; we would not accept this type of customer or traffic.

So William, you don’t have to worry about ever using our name. We wouldn’t want yours on our customer list either.

forest · September 17

@NovogaraNL said:
Just to clarify, since Novogara was mentioned her; we would not accept this type of customer or traffic.

Tor exits are completely legal in most countries, and they only serve to help with privacy and anonymity on the internet.

nadir20016 · September 17

The problem is that you're using a lot of traffic for what you want to do, and in Romania, data costs are a bit of an issue.....

For example, Digi charges €300 plus VAT for every 1,000 Mbps.

SquireAu · September 17

Well this is the best deal I have found after searching for many months

rpqu · September 17

@nadir20016 said:
The problem is that you're using a lot of traffic for what you want to do, and in Romania, data costs are a bit of an issue.....

For example, Digi charges €300 plus VAT for every 1,000 Mbps.

Huh? That's very expensive

nadir20016 · September 17

@rpqu said:

@nadir20016 said:
The problem is that you're using a lot of traffic for what you want to do, and in Romania, data costs are a bit of an issue.....

For example, Digi charges €300 plus VAT for every 1,000 Mbps.

Huh? That's very expensive

Yaa, I have attached their offer below; 21% VAT is added to that price

https://postimg.cc/gallery/N5f0QC8

rpqu · September 17

@nadir20016 said:

@rpqu said:

@nadir20016 said:
The problem is that you're using a lot of traffic for what you want to do, and in Romania, data costs are a bit of an issue.....

For example, Digi charges €300 plus VAT for every 1,000 Mbps.

Huh? That's very expensive

Yaa, I have attached their offer below; 21% VAT is added to that price

https://postimg.cc/gallery/N5f0QC8

That's insane. How the fuck it gets that expensive? Can't connect directly with other T1?

nadir20016 · September 17

@rpqu said:

@nadir20016 said:

@rpqu said:

@nadir20016 said:
The problem is that you're using a lot of traffic for what you want to do, and in Romania, data costs are a bit of an issue.....

For example, Digi charges €300 plus VAT for every 1,000 Mbps.

Huh? That's very expensive

Yaa, I have attached their offer below; 21% VAT is added to that price

https://postimg.cc/gallery/N5f0QC8

That's insane. How the fuck it gets that expensive? Can't connect directly with other T1?

At our location in Tulcea, Digi is the only provider offering high capacity, so they take advantage of that

OpaqueRegistrant · September 17

@torchbyte said:

@JohnFilch123 said:
Let's try to tag @torchbyte there is nothing in relation to Tor in their T&C, who knows.

Thanks for the tag

TOR relays are generally allowed on our services if we don't see lots of unhandled abuse reports regarding that

What do you mean by handled? You know Tor relays attract junk abuse reports, but you require the customer to click "acknowledge" on every junk report anyway or you'll ban them?

@NovogaraNL said:
Just to clarify, since Novogara was mentioned her; we would not accept this type of customer or traffic.

So William, you don’t have to worry about ever using our name. We wouldn’t want yours on our customer list either.

How come when I search Novogara, it brings up forum posts saying it's the best place for various kinds of shady activities, but you don't allow Tor exits which are the least shady shady activities?

forest · September 17

@OpaqueRegistrant said: How come when I search Novogara, it brings up forum posts saying it's the best place for various kinds of shady activities, but you don't allow Tor exits which are the least shady shady activities?

tl;dr they're a "bulletproof" provider that, after being in the spotlight too many times, renamed and rebranded. They used to be called Ecatal and were pretty famous. They're still very lenient but not as much as they used to be. I suspect they're just trying to appear more legit, but of course we know the truth.

Not that we mind of course.

rpqu · September 17

@forest said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: How come when I search Novogara, it brings up forum posts saying it's the best place for various kinds of shady activities, but you don't allow Tor exits which are the least shady shady activities?

tl;dr they're a "bulletproof" provider that, after being in the spotlight too many times, renamed and rebranded. They used to be called Ecatal and were pretty famous. They're still very lenient but not as much as they used to be. I suspect they're just trying to appear more legit, but of course we know the truth.

Not that we mind of course.

Brand name is like pseudonym we used on the internet. And I'm sure 99% of people on LET goes by different alias.

forest · September 17

@rpqu said:

@forest said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: How come when I search Novogara, it brings up forum posts saying it's the best place for various kinds of shady activities, but you don't allow Tor exits which are the least shady shady activities?

tl;dr they're a "bulletproof" provider that, after being in the spotlight too many times, renamed and rebranded. They used to be called Ecatal and were pretty famous. They're still very lenient but not as much as they used to be. I suspect they're just trying to appear more legit, but of course we know the truth.

Not that we mind of course.

Brand name is like pseudonym we used on the internet. And I'm sure 99% of people on LET goes by different alias.

My first alias was tundra.

rpqu · September 17

@forest said:

@rpqu said:

@forest said:

@OpaqueRegistrant said: How come when I search Novogara, it brings up forum posts saying it's the best place for various kinds of shady activities, but you don't allow Tor exits which are the least shady shady activities?

tl;dr they're a "bulletproof" provider that, after being in the spotlight too many times, renamed and rebranded. They used to be called Ecatal and were pretty famous. They're still very lenient but not as much as they used to be. I suspect they're just trying to appear more legit, but of course we know the truth.

Not that we mind of course.

Brand name is like pseudonym we used on the internet. And I'm sure 99% of people on LET goes by different alias.

My first alias was tundra.

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