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A TOS DISPUTE with hostbrr, need help!

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  • barbarosbarbaros Member

    @detavern said:

    @tentor said:

    @detavern said:

    @tentor said:
    What was your point then?

    Meanwhile, I still believe the provider bears responsibility for escalating this matter further instead of treating a reasonable concern in a fair and measured way.

    Problem is, if you didn't participate in this transfer, this situation would not even arise. Can't point fingers if you are guilty.

    At least this is what consensus here is. However, you are free to not agree with it.

    I maintain my position. I believe I have already provided sufficient evidence in the ticket, and I can say responsibly that I have not hidden any relevant information.

    From my perspective, the provider did not make a genuine attempt to resolve the issue. This does not align with the claim that the situation was simply due to an account hacked, as they suggested.

    And what’s your expectation at this point?

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  • detaverndetavern Member

    @barbaros said:

    @detavern said:

    @tentor said:

    @detavern said:

    @tentor said:
    What was your point then?

    Meanwhile, I still believe the provider bears responsibility for escalating this matter further instead of treating a reasonable concern in a fair and measured way.

    Problem is, if you didn't participate in this transfer, this situation would not even arise. Can't point fingers if you are guilty.

    At least this is what consensus here is. However, you are free to not agree with it.

    I maintain my position. I believe I have already provided sufficient evidence in the ticket, and I can say responsibly that I have not hidden any relevant information.

    From my perspective, the provider did not make a genuine attempt to resolve the issue. This does not align with the claim that the situation was simply due to an account hacked, as they suggested.

    And what’s your expectation at this point?

    Too late, apply for a pause.

  • toftof Member
    edited May 16

    So what are the "basic facts" of the story?
    Is it possible to "partially" change ownership of an account?

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @tof said:
    So what are the "basic facts" of the story?
    Is it possible to "partially" change ownership of an account?

    • OP failed to change password + 2FA after he purchased the goods
    • The honorless nodeseek merchant change the account password, reinstall the machine, OP locked out.
    • OP doesn't hesitate to share the details -> Good MJJ
    • OP failed to disclose the PayPal dispute -> Bad MJJ
    • OP doesn't want to admit transferring account is bad because host didn't consent
    • @labze permit service transfer
    Thanked by 2tof JasonM
  • If I take hacking in to account example, if someone's account got compromised, then provider should suspend that account and given the proof of ownership, reinstate or ask the user to move to another account (such as in this case).

    In this case, refund the amount for the rest of the period and be done with it. Since OP doesn't mind knowingly breaking which is standard rule for violation of terms and conditions, the refund should be the last transaction that the provider should have with OP.

    Part ways and end the drama.

  • detaverndetavern Member

    @rpqu said:

    @tof said:
    So what are the "basic facts" of the story?
    Is it possible to "partially" change ownership of an account?

    • OP failed to change password + 2FA after he purchased the goods
    • The honorless nodeseek merchant change the account password, reinstall the machine, OP locked out.
    • OP doesn't hesitate to share the details -> Good MJJ
    • OP failed to disclose the PayPal dispute -> Bad MJJ
    • OP doesn't want to admit transferring account is bad because host didn't consent
    • @labze permit service transfer
    • NO, as I said, I did change the password after the purchase. In any case, that is not really the main point, since the account had already been transferred multiple times. It would actually be unusual if none of us had changed it.

    • Regarding the PayPal dispute, the case was closed within about 5 minutes after I filed it, so I assume it was handled automatically.

  • JasonMJasonM Member

    @labze said: Then I may deal with another person panicking that he lost his server.
    I don't know what the deal was. Maybe OP paid for the service in return for feet pics?

    you are right here. It's OP's fault.

    Just a simple ticket before making a move could have solved the issue.
    IDK people have so much time to start threads and the drama rather than making an inquiry with the provider. A two lines of email is better than assumptions and further wastage of time in writing posts in various forums.

  • lirrrlirrr Member

    Direct admin on Singapore location is down
    and term page on hostbrr website still not has valid cert
    wtf is @labze doin

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  • detaverndetavern Member

    @labze said:

    @emperor said:
    IMHO just delete the account and refund the money spend for renewing the service - the fees. Time lost on this is not worth..

    Then I may deal with another person panicking that he lost his server.

    I don't know what the deal was. Maybe OP paid for the service in return for feet pics?

    I mean what do I know. This is why you don't do shit like this, and why I simply cannot refund the service and cancel it. There's two sides to every story, and in this case also a third.

    I genuinely do not understand what else I could reasonably provide to prove that I made the payment.

    I have already:

    • shared the payment details,
    • provided the PayPal transaction ID,
    • and provided the transaction ID from your side as well.

    I believe that is sufficient to demonstrate that a real transaction took place.

    So what is your position regarding the original owner?

    Should they simply be allowed to continue using the service as if nothing happened?

  • detaverndetavern Member
    edited May 16

    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

  • yoshikiyoshiki Member

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    Thanked by 3rpqu SunMi skorous
  • detaverndetavern Member

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

  • detaverndetavern Member
    edited May 16

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    • The count is 23 yesterday
    • At the time I referenced it in the ticket, the count should have been around 26–27

    So you could see my point at the very beginning.

  • edited May 16

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    The first screenshot shows when it was working (April 14th), the second screenshot shows it broken (April 26th).

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @detavern said: @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot

    Thanked by 2barbaros zejjnt
  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited May 16

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

  • detaverndetavern Member
    edited May 16

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    Open your 2nd link, it is 29 too.
    But in my screenshot, it is 23.

    Please note the difference.

  • nghialelenghialele Member

    I have a million question for you OP, are you retarded enough to not understand 6 pages of people trying to tell you are in the wrong?

    Thanked by 2zejjnt dsbnoob
  • detaverndetavern Member

    @nghialele said:
    I have a million question for you OP, are you retarded enough to not understand 6 pages of people trying to tell you are in the wrong?

    As I said, I committed my mistake and willing to take my responsibility.

    But that still does not justify the provider altering or removing Wayback Machine records, especially while a PayPal dispute was actively ongoing from his side.

    Can you see my point?

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited May 16

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    Open your 2nd link, it is 29 too.
    But in my screenshot, it is 23.

    Please note the difference.

    You mean the number of captures? WaybackMachine did it all the time because their infrastructure is a clusterfuck (which is a good and bad thing)
    Now, the explanation:
    Normally waybackmachine has 7days or sometime >30 days of delay before the snapshot appear on the /web/*/url/* or even be reachable through /web/[timestamp]/url. So, the N of captures is not deterministic, as in the actual numbers of snapshot waybackmachine has (and if you think they should improve it, then donate. They're running at PB scale on shoestring budget)
    Edit x6: formatting

  • detaverndetavern Member

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    Open your 2nd link, it is 29 too.
    But in my screenshot, it is 23.

    Please note the difference.

    You mean the number of captures? WaybackMachine did it all the time because their infrastructure is a clusterfuck (which is a good and bad thing)
    Now, the explanation:
    Normally waybackmachine has 7days or sometime >30 days of delay before the snapshot appear on the /web*/url/* or even be reachable through /web/[timestamp]/url. So, the N of captures is not deterministic, as in the actual numbers of waybackmachine has (and if you think they should improve it, then donate. They're running at PB scale at shoestring budget)

    PLEASE, the latest archives was April 14 YESTERDAY.
    Today, the archive of April 26, May 14, May 15 suddenly come out.

    The total archives change from 23 to 29

    I'm sure that the archives of April 26, May 14 is exist the day before yesterday when I navigated to the site.

    How could the actual number change from 26–27, to 23, and then to 29?

    PB cluster won't do that.

  • timmmytimmmy Member

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    Open your 2nd link, it is 29 too.
    But in my screenshot, it is 23.

    Please note the difference.

    You mean the number of captures? WaybackMachine did it all the time because their infrastructure is a clusterfuck (which is a good and bad thing)
    Now, the explanation:
    Normally waybackmachine has 7days or sometime >30 days of delay before the snapshot appear on the /web*/url/* or even be reachable through /web/[timestamp]/url. So, the N of captures is not deterministic, as in the actual numbers of waybackmachine has (and if you think they should improve it, then donate. They're running at PB scale at shoestring budget)

    PLEASE, the latest archives was April 14 YESTERDAY.
    Today, the archive of April 26, May 14, May 15 suddenly come out.

    The total archives change from 23 to 29

    I'm sure that the archives of April 26, May 14 is exist the day before yesterday when I navigated to the site.

    How could the actual number change from 26–27, to 23, and then to 29?

    PB cluster won't do that.

    i deleted them sry

    Thanked by 2zejjnt SunMi
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @rpqu said:

    @detavern said:

    @yoshiki said:

    @detavern said:
    Now the archives on the wayback machine magically came back.


    @labze I still do not understand the reasoning behind altering or removing the Wayback Machine snapshot in this manner.

    Especially considering that you already confirmed a PayPal dispute was ongoing at the time, it naturally raises questions about the purpose of doing so.

    Dude. You actually think he has the power to "alter" Archive.org snapshots? Are you dumb on purpose? Those are two different dates, April 14 and April 26.

    You can clearly see the captures count has changed from.23 to 29 on the left of the banner.

    • The first screenshot shows how it appeared yesterday.
    • The second screenshot shows how it appears now.

    Look at the url, different timestamp

    The count of the captures represent the total saves
    You can have a check yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    First:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260414173949/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/
    2nd link
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260426024827/https://hostbrr.com/terms-conditions/

    Open your 2nd link, it is 29 too.
    But in my screenshot, it is 23.

    Please note the difference.

    You mean the number of captures? WaybackMachine did it all the time because their infrastructure is a clusterfuck (which is a good and bad thing)
    Now, the explanation:
    Normally waybackmachine has 7days or sometime >30 days of delay before the snapshot appear on the /web*/url/* or even be reachable through /web/[timestamp]/url. So, the N of captures is not deterministic, as in the actual numbers of waybackmachine has (and if you think they should improve it, then donate. They're running at PB scale at shoestring budget)

    # How could the actual number change from 26–27, to 23, and then to 29?

    As I said, it's non deterministic. That's the reality! Face it!
    Internet archive won't change the snapshot count because @labze asked.

  • fifofifo Member

    @detavern said: PLEASE, the latest archives was April 14 YESTERDAY.
    Today, the archive of April 26, May 14, May 15 suddenly come out.

    The total archives change from 23 to 29

    I'm sure that the archives of April 26, May 14 is exist the day before yesterday when I navigated to the site.

    How could the actual number change from 26–27, to 23, and then to 29?

    PB cluster won't do that.

    I'm curious. From your point of view, how do you think labze is modifying the archive?

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  • nghialelenghialele Member

    @detavern said: But that still does not justify the provider altering or removing Wayback Machine records

    What even the fcking point of this after you admitted you are in the wrong here?

    Are you crying? Butthurt? Or something else entirely affect your health?

  • nghialelenghialele Member

    @detavern said: So what is your position regarding the original owner?

    He have a contract with the original owner because the original owner bought from him?

    Who you?

  • nghialelenghialele Member

    And boy stop crying about the TOS and the WaybackMachine it's make 0 point and send you straight up top of the MJJ chart.

  • toftof Member

    @detavern said:

    @labze said:

    @emperor said:
    IMHO just delete the account and refund the money spend for renewing the service - the fees. Time lost on this is not worth..

    Then I may deal with another person panicking that he lost his server.

    I don't know what the deal was. Maybe OP paid for the service in return for feet pics?

    I mean what do I know. This is why you don't do shit like this, and why I simply cannot refund the service and cancel it. There's two sides to every story, and in this case also a third.

    I genuinely do not understand what else I could reasonably provide to prove that I made the payment.

    I have already:

    • shared the payment details,
    • provided the PayPal transaction ID,
    • and provided the transaction ID from your side as well.

    I believe that is sufficient to demonstrate that a real transaction took place.

    So what is your position regarding the original owner?

    Should they simply be allowed to continue using the service as if nothing happened?

    The merchant needs to determine whether the modified account(new user) was obtained through a transaction with you (the paying user) or through hacking.
    Is it possible to "partially modify" the account ownership?

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