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had me hoping there
@diwakerd Pretty cool
Thanks for sharing.
Francisco
I have been testing the new system for a little over a month. It is Francisco's pet project and he really puts lots of love to it.
The filtering, compared to SpamExperts (which I have been using for a few years) is at least as good, I have been pleasantly surprised a few times with how well it detects spam without any training. After a bit of training, I get very few messages in quarantine, most are either delivered or rejected, with extreme accuracy.
But what's best is the usability of the new tool. It reminds me of MailScanner (RIP), only it is much much better. Clear views, intuitive interface, good explanations built in about what each option does.
And Francisco is very responsive. In fixing minor bugs or in implementing entire new features, literally 5 minutes after these were suggested
I am managing email for over 100 domains. Very few of them have administrators who were able to log into SpamExperts and perform basic settings. I am in the process of handing the keys to the new system to these few and have already started receiving positive feedback. I should soon be able to involve less technically able people and am optimistic about it.
And the reseller view of the system is terrific. You have full control (like SpamExperts admin) and a very intuitive UI (unlike SpamExperts).
Very happy with the new toy
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I'm NOT seeing this even though I'm only using SmarterMail's spam filtering (ie NOT using SpamExperts)... I can see that there was some message marked as Spam but can't find or retrieve it from anywhere in SmarterMail's interface
This isn’t inside smartermail, it’s a standalone thing like spamexperts. You route right to the node so your email is handled there.
If you’re wanting to use the new stuff I’ll gladly setup an account/domains for you.
Francisco
Haha, they don’t bother since they’re the top provider here, so there’s no need for them to know how to develop anything. Customers will buy any products from them, even with failing service, and still be satisfied with it! I use provider with entreprise grade email filtering.
Other way around -- imgur blocks UK users as a "commercial decision" (source).
Hopefully the same applies in reverse too? e.g. you mentioned that the UK POP is being replaced by NL -- but I hope that doesn't imply that shared hosting in the UK will be going away?
I mean, SpamExperts is enterprise antispam, they charge the price for it too.
We also agreed, the interface is difficult to work around, and thats why we've been working on this.
Francisco
Glad to hear it and thanks for helping us build out!
Francisco
Not spam filter related, but you should consider how much information your error messages expose.
Currently, your website reveals far too much information. For example, if I visit the following URL directly: mxfilter.namecrane.org/_boost/browser-logs, it reveals the supported request types, URLs, PHP version, Laravel version, and even raw PHP code.
Attackers will likely attempt to exploit this, especially if POST request errors reveal the same level of detail.
This is still beta, debugging is enabled so we can see if we hit snags, things like that
Thank you for the concern, but once we're good to go we'll flip it into 'production' mode.
Francisco
I understand the purpose of the new system you implemented, and that it is similar to SpamExperts (ie separate from and alongside SmarterMail)...
What I meant is I also cannot retrieve any email that's marked as spam by SmarterMail, which you made it sound like only SpamExperts does (ie make it impossible to recover spam messages). All I'm seeing in SmarterMail is statistics (ie so many spam messages along with the day and hour) but nothing gets sent to the Junk mail folder.
Am I mistaken, and is there a possibility to retrieve marked-as-spam messages from SmarterMail?
Thanks for keeping up the good work on the product!
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I assumed it moved emails to
Junk, it didn't nuke unless you have a rule that says to do so.Francisco
They are not in the Junk folder, and nowhere else to be found. Should I open a ticket?
My apologies, it looks like spam marked by SmarterMail makes its way to the Junk folder after all (missed it myself).
Wow. Too stupid to realize you're posting in a thread for something in beta, already developed.
Why so butthurt?
not even a customer but this is a big deal, good call man.
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Developed elsewhere, I initially tried to sign up with NamewhatEverCrane, but the support was ridiculous. My email matched the same domain on PayPal along with all the other busness info, yet the only way to get accepted was to provide ID or pay via crypto. How am I supposed to explain to Inland Revenue that the provider is a pain in the neck and accepts crypto payments, making it not a valid business expense to purchase the crypto? These guys are completely out of touch with reality.
You need to stop whatever white powder you’re taking to see reality. Being a top provider here doesn’t mean they’re right or allowed to ignore the GDPR or any privacy laws in the USA.
Wtf are you talking about? The second sentence in OP is:
The whole post is about Spam Experts sucking so they are replacing it with their own. You've got reading comprehension issues, bro.
But at least you explained why you're butthurt. You're offended you're a security risk and so you think you're entitled to shit in any NameCrane thread irrelevant to fraud and abuse policies at NameCrane. You weren't willing to provide ID verification, sounds like they detected you correctly as sketchy AF.
no clue what they are on. Just look at all their comments.
I really want to know if NameCrane is a legit provider. Is their support reliable? I contacted NameCrane in April, but never received any reply from them.
That's honestly in my queue then, sorry. Sales is only really done by Mike & I and we've been just trying to get these last few projects across the line.
I'll likely widen sales to the boys.
You can ticket me if you have any questions, or send me the ticket ID.
Francisco
What this post is about is the filtering we've been building. We've been working on it with our Discord users for over a month now, and they've helped guide us some.
If you're still interested in our products you can PM me a ticket or email and I can look. I can then wave you through if I think thinks are fine.
Thanks for the interest.
Francisco
Can one expect this new spam program to be better at actually learning from "release and train" commands?
Yes, its quite perfect at that
Training takes you training 50 messages HAM, and 50 as SPAM, before it starts affecting your filtering, otherwise you'll be using our global filtering database until then.
Ticket if you'd like to take part and I can get you setup pretty quick.
Francisco
Sorry if this has been answered:
If the new sauce requires a change to MX records, and if it will also replace SpamExperts, does it imply that everyone who uses SpamExperts now will have DNS changes coming when NameCrane decides to finally kill SpamExperts?
Whenever we replace SE we will move the existing records over and it should be very seamless.
Francisco
Hello Everyone!
Some recent improvements:
The scoring change means you can make better choices with scoring tweaks and not a 'shot in the dark'.
Francisco