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  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited April 8

    @whynotlearn said:

    @rpqu said:

    @Michal212 said:

    @emperor said:

    @Michal212 said: Any recommendations for such a vps?

    Budget and Location ?

    The cheapest option that exists... I don't have the exact amount. Location EU

    Tierhive, starting from $0.1~0.14/m, 1c, 128mb, 1G, 5 emails per day
    @backtogeek

    @backtogeek / tierhive is really really awesome but do they have port 25 opened? Aren't they NAT/ipv6 iirc?

    It's mail relay service addon

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • emperoremperor Member
    edited April 8

    @Michal212 said: Location EU

    If you want dedicated option, cheapest would be PrimCast 5 euro per month in Bucharest.. I have test it on this for same setup works great. Cpu is a little slow for installing but after that rock solid. Tested it for 3 months without any problems. If you want vps, probably can think of even cheaper options.

    Thanked by 1Michal212
  • zedzed Member

    @default said:
    A shared hosting plan can be used for email too. TNAHosting just dropped a great offer on LET.

    What a great idea thanks. I pinged him for more details, couldn't find any.

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • @emperor said:

    @Michal212 said: Location EU

    If you want dedicated option, cheapest would be PrimCast 5 euro per month in Bucharest.. I have test it on this for same setup works great. Cpu is a little slow for installing but after that rock solid. Tested it for 3 months without any problems. If you want vps, probably can think of even cheaper options.

    VPS

  • @default said:
    A shared hosting plan can be used for email too. TNAHosting just dropped a great offer on LET.

    indeed. i use all-inkl.com since more then 20y for email.

  • @emperor said:

    @Michal212 said: Location EU

    If you want dedicated option, cheapest would be PrimCast 5 euro per month in Bucharest.. I have test it on this for same setup works great. Cpu is a little slow for installing but after that rock solid. Tested it for 3 months without any problems. If you want vps, probably can think of even cheaper options.

    Tutorial for PrimCast?

  • Critical Error
    Could not connect to the database. @NovaCloudHosting

    Thanked by 1NovaCloudHosting
  • emperoremperor Member
    edited April 8

    @COLBYLICIOUS said: Tutorial for PrimCast?

    Press on that, start for 5$ . Setup fee of 13$ is pita, but if you go for long term, is not a big deal. For Bucharest price would be in euros. This in $ is for New York

  • @emperor said:

    @COLBYLICIOUS said: Tutorial for PrimCast?

    Press on that, start for 5$ . Setup fee of 13$ is pita, but if you go for long term, is not a big deal. For Bucharest price would be in euros. This in $ is for New York

    YABS?

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  • emperoremperor Member

    Search on LeS or here in yabs thread. Also @Saragoldfarb could give you fresh if still have it.

    Thanked by 1Saragoldfarb
  • NovaCloudHostingNovaCloudHosting Member, Patron Provider
    edited April 8

    Should be resolved, thanks for pointing out.

    Thanked by 1whynotlearn
  • @Obelous said:

    @Nyr said: It works good, it is the industry leader in the west, and it is well integrated with Android.

    Google Workspace is really good but the price increases haven't been very fun.

    Started in 2019 at €5 to €6.50 to €8.63 to now €10.13.

    One reason I'm still with them is that I realized you can't convert a Workspace account to a regular Google account so when you cancel Workspace you've lost everything bound to that account (in my case, stuff like Play Store purchases).

    You don't lose your domain, just forward your store email to your gmail account through cloudflare or registrar service.

  • @whynotlearn said:
    Google workspace has some of the most nightmare stories that I have heard. Even just to cancel Google workspace you can't scroll with your mouse, you have to use the browser scroll bar on the side to scroll down to cancel (someone had made a vid about it too)

    Wow, what a fucking nightmare! Never mind those services you have to call and talk to multiple people and fill out a survey to cancel, that scrollbar is definitely a nightmare!

  • @rpqu said:

    @Michal212 said:

    @emperor said:

    @Michal212 said: Any recommendations for such a vps?

    Budget and Location ?

    The cheapest option that exists... I don't have the exact amount. Location EU

    Tierhive, starting from $0.1~0.14/m, 1c, 128mb, 1G, 5 emails per day
    (100 emails per day +$0.3/m)

    @backtogeek

    Is this just for SMTP or are you receiving mail inbound too via NAT somehow?

  • NoctNoct Member

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @Noct said:

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

    Not to confuse a forum as in a piece of software (in this case Vanilla Forum) with a community of people. With that in mind, Vanilla is behind, but at least the community got used with this green aspect of LET.

  • MannDudeMannDude Patron Provider, Veteran

    @default said:

    @Noct said:

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

    Not to confuse a forum as in a piece of software (in this case Vanilla Forum) with a community of people. With that in mind, Vanilla is behind, but at least the community got used with this green aspect of LET.

    I said:

    Not going to dump MXRoute over some dumb forum (Then hetzner, then trust pilot, then reddit) drama when the reliability is top notch.

    Dumb forum drama.

    Not, "dumb forum".

    The drama was dumb.

  • defaultdefault Veteran

    @MannDude said:
    I said:

    Not going to dump MXRoute over some dumb forum (Then hetzner, then trust pilot, then reddit) drama when the reliability is top notch.

    Thanked by 1MannDude
  • forestforest Member

    @Nyr said: For private communications what matters is the tool (end to end encryption) not the jurisdiction of a server.

    1000% this. Jurisdiction will not protect you. You can only rely on the mathematical guarantees of encryption, not the flimsy and misunderstood policies of legislation.

    Thanked by 2MikeA miniopt
  • forestforest Member
    edited April 9

    @hyperblast said:
    found this some minutes ago:

    https://pissmail.com/

    )

    I used to use them for a short amount of time. Deliverability was pretty horrible as a lot of spammers use it.

    @Mynymbox said: We have the tools for encrypted communications, even for email, it's called PGP. Who uses it? No one because no one cares about privacy.

    My fingerprint is BCBAE3E9CB8E2FE23F29DC58061D7CAC428DD60B ;)

    @MannDude said: Dumb forum drama.

    Not, "dumb forum".

    I think it's fair that some people would be worried upon learning that the owner of their email provider is hot-headed and goes out of their way to find people's PII when he feels wronged. Does that mean everyone has to jump ship when the service is still cheap and reliable? No, but it's completely understandable that there are people who would lose trust.

  • zedzed Member

    @MannDude said:

    @default said:

    @Noct said:

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

    Not to confuse a forum as in a piece of software (in this case Vanilla Forum) with a community of people. With that in mind, Vanilla is behind, but at least the community got used with this green aspect of LET.

    I said:

    Not going to dump MXRoute over some dumb forum (Then hetzner, then trust pilot, then reddit) drama when the reliability is top notch.

    Dumb forum drama.

    Not, "dumb forum".

    The drama was dumb.

    this could be our next drama thread?

  • forestforest Member

    @zed said:

    @MannDude said:

    @default said:

    @Noct said:

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

    Not to confuse a forum as in a piece of software (in this case Vanilla Forum) with a community of people. With that in mind, Vanilla is behind, but at least the community got used with this green aspect of LET.

    I said:

    Not going to dump MXRoute over some dumb forum (Then hetzner, then trust pilot, then reddit) drama when the reliability is top notch.

    Dumb forum drama.

    Not, "dumb forum".

    The drama was dumb.

    this could be our next drama thread?

    CharityHost email service when?

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  • @zed said:

    @MannDude said:

    @default said:

    @Noct said:

    @MannDude said:
    over some dumb forum

    @jbiloh Take him out of our sight :)

    Not to confuse a forum as in a piece of software (in this case Vanilla Forum) with a community of people. With that in mind, Vanilla is behind, but at least the community got used with this green aspect of LET.

    I said:

    Not going to dump MXRoute over some dumb forum (Then hetzner, then trust pilot, then reddit) drama when the reliability is top notch.

    Dumb forum drama.

    Not, "dumb forum".

    The drama was dumb.

    this could be our next drama thread?

    Dumbforum.charity

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  • minioptminiopt Member
    edited April 9

    A few questions for people who self-host their mail server:

    1) how do you even manage to get a non-blacklisted IP in the first place, especially if you went with the cheapest VPS provider you could find?

    2) assuming you have a clean IP with DMARC, DKIM and SPF records, how do you fare in terms of deliverability to Gmail, Microsoft, Apple?

    3) do you use memory encryption (AMD SEV-SNP or Intel TDX), run hardened kernels, isolate your services and use SELinux?

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  • openidopenid Member

    @Francisco said:

    Issues like this: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214059/is-cranemail-down

    And there is more oopsies, mistakes, blunders etc. For some reason I don't trust them. You do not want my path, think with your own head and decide. I'am paranoid person.

    Fair, let me know if you ever change your mind or want to do a test run of anything.

    EU's been great, US2's been great. US1 had its faults from the OS drives, but generally good especially with the lag fixes.

    Good luck on your hunt!

    Francisco

    i like your buyvm

    I might try NameCrane when it becomes more stable.

  • forestforest Member
    edited April 9

    @miniopt said:
    A few questions for people who self-host their mail server:

    1) how do you even manage to get a non-blacklisted IP in the first place, especially if you went with the cheapest VPS provider you could find?

    2) assuming you have a clean IP with DMARC, DKIM and SPF records, how do you fare in terms of deliverability to Gmail, Microsoft, Apple?

    3) do you use memory encryption (AMD SEV-SNP or Intel TDX), run hardened kernels, isolate your services and use SELinux?

    I used to self-host when I had more time on my hands. Things probably changed in the last 10+ years or so.

    1. I didn't go with the cheapest, but I did ask if I could be put on a /24 without any neighboring IPs being on the blacklist.
    2. Deliverability was hit-or-miss. I never had issues with emails being dropped, though. Worst was getting sent to spam.
    3. Yes, a custom-compiled and hardened kernel with a MAC, although not SELinux. No AMD-SEV or memory encryption because it didn't exist yet. I would have used TRESOR, but that's not going to be effective in a VM, so just FDE.
    Thanked by 1miniopt
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @openid said: i like your buyvm

    I might try NameCrane when it becomes more stable.

    Sure, I can send you some hetrix monitors if you'd like, or you can just add your own. We do updates ~once a week, depending on when SmarterMail pushes them out.

    Good luck on the hunt.

    Francisco

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  • @MannDude said: The drama was dumb.

    Bear in mind not all people here are native English speakers or know English well enough to understand fairly basic grammar constructions.

  • minioptminiopt Member
    edited April 9

    @forest said:

    @miniopt said:
    A few questions for people who self-host their mail server:

    1) how do you even manage to get a non-blacklisted IP in the first place, especially if you went with the cheapest VPS provider you could find?

    2) assuming you have a clean IP with DMARC, DKIM and SPF records, how do you fare in terms of deliverability to Gmail, Microsoft, Apple?

    3) do you use memory encryption (AMD SEV-SNP or Intel TDX), run hardened kernels, isolate your services and use SELinux?

    I used to self-host when I had more time on my hands. Things probably changed in the last 10+ years or so.

    1. I didn't go with the cheapest, but I did ask if I could be put on a /24 without any neighboring IPs being on the blacklist.
    2. Deliverability was hit-or-miss. I never had issues with emails being dropped, though. Worst was getting sent to spam.
    3. Yes, a custom-compiled and hardened kernel with a MAC, although not SELinux. No AMD-SEV or memory encryption because it didn't exist yet. I would have used TRESOR, but that's not going to be effective in a VM, so just FDE.

    Interesting, thanks! Personally I can’t recall if my mails were being dropped or sent to spam, I think I didn’t struggle with that much especially since I had a clean IP from RamNode. What I do remember is the frequent, various errors with either Dovecot or Postfix (or both!) because I had a crappy config :tongue:

    If I went back in time to my teenage years I’d do it all over again though, sure I happened to bang my head against my desk at 3-4 AM more times than I’d have liked but it taught me a lot of valuable things about SMTP, IMAP, Linux and sysadmin in general and I was proud to have my own little mail server. Good memories :smile:

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