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beanman109 · April 7

@Rubben said:

@COLBYLICIOUS said:
Any TL;DR? I am too lazy to read all of that.

everyone was very quiet about colocrossing fucking up but when jar does it we're burning witches for 14 pages

The Colocrossing DB breach thread has twice the pages as this one?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/205968/colocrossing-database-breach#latest

bobert · April 7

Wtf how does this have 18 pages?

I am amazed that my thread turned into this. When it got locked instead of getting useful answers I just stopped looking at lowendtalk for a while.

Having said that, I decided to move off mxroute because I remember 1 time when I asked Jarland why some email was blocked even though I specifically whitelisted the address and he got realllly defensive about it saying something about it being the sender's fault and that I could cancel my plan if I wanted, and I was like wtf? I wasn't even mad about it or wrote about it impolitely.

skorous · April 7

@Nyr said:

@forest said: He tried to shut down the business itself or just get the attack sale removed?

By his own admission, he contacted PayPal, and he admitted today that he plans to go even further.

To any sane person, none of this would matter anyway, as most people would just laugh off a situation like that tasteless sale thread instead of escalating into a personal vendetta... "like a psycho".

I've been thinking the same thing for several pages. Whether the sale was in bad taste or not I'm not convinced he was wrong....

forest · April 7

@beanman109 said:

@Rubben said:

@COLBYLICIOUS said:
Any TL;DR? I am too lazy to read all of that.

everyone was very quiet about colocrossing fucking up but when jar does it we're burning witches for 14 pages

The Colocrossing DB breach thread has twice the pages as this one?
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/205968/colocrossing-database-breach#latest

And an entire website dedicated to spreading the word.

JosephF · April 7

@alligatoraxe said:

@forest said:
So tl;dr what did I miss?

Wyvern send a takedown request to Hetzner which is how jar found out his alleged identity and linked it to a (now defunct) company using the UK Companies House database to find the owner (who allegedly is Wyvern) and then contact their employer

Where did you get that he based it off anything he got from Hetzner? Jar said he simply googled the public username, which matched a UK company name, whose public registration had the owner name, which another google led to the company that person currently works at.

The more interesting question is why would Hetzner take down the server (even for an hour) based on anonymous complaint of alleged defamatory usage of a fictitious forum screen name as a promo code.

forest · April 7

@bobert said:
Wtf how does this have 18 pages?

I am amazed that my thread turned into this. When it got locked instead of getting useful answers I just stopped looking at lowendtalk for a while.

When did it get locked?

forest · April 7

@JosephF said: The more interesting question is why would Hetzner take down the server

Hetzner is infamous for that. They'd suspend your service if a single packet from it looked at them funny.

ralf · April 7

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

bobert · April 7

@forest said: When did it get locked?

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214758/best-email-host/p5

forest · April 7

@ralf said: And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

He said several times that he wanted to get the attack sale removed. In the report to Hetzner, he explained what the offending content was and did not lie. It was then on Hetzner to judge the best course of action.

Was it an overreaction? Maybe. Does it excuse doxing attempts and trying to get someone fired? Of course not.

forest · April 7

@bobert said:

@forest said: When did it get locked?

https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/214758/best-email-host/p5

Oh that one.

JohnFilch123 · April 7

@JosephF said:

@JohnFilch123 said:

@whynotlearn said:

@JohnFilch123 said:

@whynotlearn said: with a chill guy provider

Emmm, who is chill guy provider, please?

@TNAHosting , the guy is chill af, I had accidentally messed up a payment to them as well when I had sent them money after the invoice 15 min had expired (something similar but not similar to my pulsedmedia situation but this isn't about that and lets not make it about that, my friend) and within just 2 hours that one-person shop responded and gave me my servers and then when I asked the next day to open up a port, they answered to my query within 2 minutes (I am not kidding)

Their 7$ deal is a bit constrained at 512mb ram though but I find it wholesome and I am running a minimalist golang mail server on them

I am just impressed by them but I wish to gatekeep them because they are really cool xD.

Obviously I was a bit panicked within that 2 hours too when my payment was stuck-ish but man, It really gave me so much breeze talking to a human and they fixed the problem really quickly (in my opinion, as fast as they can/could) as they were their own payment provider running the bitcoin payment processing themselves

TLDR: Chill guy @TNAHosting appreciation post :-) Overall one of the best things I have bought. I wish they can expand to storage boxes actually but dedirock is also a good provider for storage and atleast their human support even within just saying hi to them on LET is pretty chill.

This is slighty different to mxroute. I am more curious about direct alternatives to mxroute. Preferable non US.

There are no direct alternatives (same type of service) to MXRoute matching both the quality and price point. None.

This is my experience as well but people keep telling there are alternatives

JosephF · April 7

@WyvernCo said:
I only tried to get the attack sale shutdown. Reminder: I had the opportunity to get his whole paypal pulled and I didn't.

If you "only tried to get the attack sale shutdown", why'd you contact PayPal in the first place?

bobert · April 7

@JohnFilch123 said: This is my experience as well but people keep telling there are alternatives

cranemail is working out so far

TimRoo · April 7

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

forest · April 7

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

WyvernCo · April 7

@JosephF said:

@WyvernCo said:
I only tried to get the attack sale shutdown. Reminder: I had the opportunity to get his whole paypal pulled and I didn't.

If you "only tried to get the attack sale shutdown", why'd you contact PayPal in the first place?

I wanted them to pull the sale product -- that's well within my rights for me to ask them to not sell something with my name on it, being used to insult me.

TimRoo · April 7

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

ralf · April 7

@forest said:

@alligatoraxe said:
Tbh, if wyvern had thicker skin, like forest, we wouldn't be here and this would not have escalated

The same could be said about jar's attack sale, which started it all.

It wasn't what started it all. Jar didn't just wake up one day and choose two usernames at random out of a hat and decide to call them psychos. You and WyvernCo knew exactly what it was about when you came across that promotion.

forest · April 7

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

Perhaps read the names. Even people who were previously defending jar are now, by and large, saying no one is an innocent party. Only a minority think jar is entirely innocent.

forest · April 7

@ralf said:

@forest said:

@alligatoraxe said:
Tbh, if wyvern had thicker skin, like forest, we wouldn't be here and this would not have escalated

The same could be said about jar's attack sale, which started it all.

It wasn't what started it all. Jar didn't just wake up one day and choose two usernames at random out of a hat and decide to call them psychos. You and WyvernCo knew exactly what it was about when you came across that promotion.

I was actually astounded that he would react to criticism that way. And I was pinged there, I didn't come across it.

I've criticized other hosts far more than him, so his reactions were entirely unexpected.

gleepdorf · April 7

it's on reddit now. lol

https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1sfaclb/popular_email_host_mxroute_tried_to_get_me_fired/

ralf · April 7

@WyvernCo said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@alligatoraxe said:
Tbh, if wyvern had thicker skin, like forest, we wouldn't be here and this would not have escalated

The same could be said about jar's attack sale, which started it all. It was in bad taste, and just because I found it funny doesn't mean everyone else who was a target would have.

You two following Jar from thread to thread preceded the sale.

As if posting criticism on a forum justified an attack sale or a firing attempt.

You just tried to destroy his business, but you think that's OK but doing the same back to you isn't?

forest · April 7

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@alligatoraxe said:
Tbh, if wyvern had thicker skin, like forest, we wouldn't be here and this would not have escalated

The same could be said about jar's attack sale, which started it all. It was in bad taste, and just because I found it funny doesn't mean everyone else who was a target would have.

You two following Jar from thread to thread preceded the sale.

As if posting criticism on a forum justified an attack sale or a firing attempt.

You just tried to destroy his business, but you think that's OK but doing the same back to you isn't?

What? Since when did I do that?

Edit: Oops, thought you were replying to my last comment.

ralf · April 7

@WyvernCo said:
Yeah, I was pretty upset about his attack sale.

Upset enough to reflect on your actions that had caused him to do it?

whynotlearn · April 7

@TimRoo said: Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

Okay so firstly lets clear one thing that wyvern only talked to hetzner who passed the ticket to @jar (I feel like if someone calls you psycho and launches a deal, IANAL but it might break a few terms and conditions)

also, wyvern said that they could've blocked the paypal account from my understanding but they didn't.

And even after all of this, I am still unable to see how an E-mail provider doing such doxing is still in extremely bad taste imo.

TimRoo · April 7

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

Perhaps read the names. Even people who were previously defending jar are now, by and large, saying no one is an innocent party. Only a minority think jar is entirely innocent.

No one's entirely innocent. But one side has an 18 page thread, and the other hasn't posted here in a month and a half.

forest · April 7

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

Perhaps read the names. Even people who were previously defending jar are now, by and large, saying no one is an innocent party. Only a minority think jar is entirely innocent.

No one's entirely innocent. But one side has an 18 page thread, and the other hasn't posted here in a month and a half.

WyvernCo did not create this thread.

WyvernCo · April 7

@ralf said:
You just tried to destroy his business, but you think that's OK but doing the same back to you isn't?

The only one destroying Jar's business is Jar.

TimRoo · April 7

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@forest said:

@TimRoo said:

@ralf said:

@WyvernCo said:

@emgh said: how could you send a signed affidavit without signing it? or is it lies that it was a signed affidavit

Is he actually claiming there's a signed affidavit? I don't remember anything like that.

It is way simpler than that, Hetzner TOS says you can't use their network for "defamatory content, insults or disparagement of persons or groups of persons." His sale title definitely met the bar for insults, and I would also say it met the bar for defamatory/disparagement.

Even more than that, using someone else's name in your product name without authorization is something most providers won't support or enable. He played stupid games and won stupid prize (one hour of downtime). It could have gone MUCH worse for him, though. He could have gotten his entire paypal permanently shut down over that stunt (they told me they couldn't remove just the sale product, and if I wanted to continue the complaint it may result in him getting a permanent ban from paypal -- I ended up not pushing farther since I thought that would have been too extreme.)

So, let's get this straight? You've just admitted to sending Hetzner a trademark infringement notice because of the name of that stupid promotion?

Firstly, of course Hetzner will pass on the complaint. That's literally what's supposed to happen.

And secondly, you want to try to get a guy's livelihood deplatformed because the repercussions of something you started ending up upsetting you?

And claiming a trademark infringement? Do you even have a relevant trademark in whatever business area mxroute operates in?

All that and you think Jar is the crazy one?

Funny how this thread has changed from earlier when people were thinking a critical review led to doxxing.

It's only a few people still defending jar. Most are between "holy shit jar is fucked up" and "both people fucked up but doxing is more serious".

Not since the Hetzner/Paypal admission. Just like in the original threads, you're not the majority you seem to see yourself as.

Perhaps read the names. Even people who were previously defending jar are now, by and large, saying no one is an innocent party. Only a minority think jar is entirely innocent.

No one's entirely innocent. But one side has an 18 page thread, and the other hasn't posted here in a month and a half.

WyvernCo did not create this thread.

He is escalating this though. He created the one on Reddit.

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