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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:

    @emgh said: Some random .com's that look like they're registered with Inleed:

    https://www.whois.com/whois/ambassadorwatches.com

    I see the following in whois records, making me wonder how much whois and registration work is outsourced.

    • domain-contact dotorg
    • rrpproxy dotnet

    Yelles AB is the registrar. They probably don’t handle the WHOIS protection themselves.

    Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    It just needs to handle setting the nameservers :)

  • @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:

    @emgh said: Some random .com's that look like they're registered with Inleed:

    https://www.whois.com/whois/ambassadorwatches.com

    I see the following in whois records, making me wonder how much whois and registration work is outsourced.

    • domain-contact dotorg
    • rrpproxy dotnet

    Yelles AB is the registrar. They probably don’t handle the WHOIS protection themselves.

    Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    It just needs to handle setting the nameservers :)

    Anything that is not miles away from CentralNic is le bad.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:

    @emgh said: Some random .com's that look like they're registered with Inleed:

    https://www.whois.com/whois/ambassadorwatches.com

    I see the following in whois records, making me wonder how much whois and registration work is outsourced.

    • domain-contact dotorg
    • rrpproxy dotnet

    Yelles AB is the registrar. They probably don’t handle the WHOIS protection themselves.

    Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    It just needs to handle setting the nameservers :)

    Anything that is not miles away from CentralNic is le bad.

    Nerd

  • @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @emgh said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:

    @emgh said: Some random .com's that look like they're registered with Inleed:

    https://www.whois.com/whois/ambassadorwatches.com

    I see the following in whois records, making me wonder how much whois and registration work is outsourced.

    • domain-contact dotorg
    • rrpproxy dotnet

    Yelles AB is the registrar. They probably don’t handle the WHOIS protection themselves.

    Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    It just needs to handle setting the nameservers :)

    Anything that is not miles away from CentralNic is le bad.

    Nerd

    Damn right.
    image

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  • Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

  • @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    @sillycat said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all because I’d guess vast majority of their registrations are .SE & .NU so they probably spend most of their time with their system that communicates with IIS.

    I’m rather impressed as a small-ish Swedish provider that they’re ICANN accredited at all.

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all because I’d guess vast majority of their registrations are .SE & .NU so they probably spend most of their time with their system that communicates with IIS.

    I’m rather impressed as a small-ish Swedish provider that they’re ICANN accredited at all.

    But they arent.

    Edit: got a separate entity acting as their registrar. So dunno if that would qualify as inleed.

    May have bought the registrar...

    Anyhow its not that hard to become ICANN accredited, cost is decent if you are a cctld registrar already... Just fees... But... It's cheaper/faster to acquiry an existing registrar.

    Love inleed though. Use them a lot for cctlds. Prem.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all because I’d guess vast majority of their registrations are .SE & .NU so they probably spend most of their time with their system that communicates with IIS.

    I’m rather impressed as a small-ish Swedish provider that they’re ICANN accredited at all.

    But they arent.

    Edit: got a separate entity acting as their registrar. So dunno if that would qualify as inleed.

    May have bought the registrar...

    Anyhow its not that hard to become ICANN accredited, cost is decent if you are a cctld registrar already... Just fees... But... It's cheaper/faster to acquiry an existing registrar.

    Love inleed though. Use them a lot for cctlds. Prem.

    They are. Yelles AB is Inleed.

  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all because I’d guess vast majority of their registrations are .SE & .NU so they probably spend most of their time with their system that communicates with IIS.

    I’m rather impressed as a small-ish Swedish provider that they’re ICANN accredited at all.

    But they arent.

    Edit: got a separate entity acting as their registrar. So dunno if that would qualify as inleed.

    May have bought the registrar...

    Anyhow its not that hard to become ICANN accredited, cost is decent if you are a cctld registrar already... Just fees... But... It's cheaper/faster to acquiry an existing registrar.

    Love inleed though. Use them a lot for cctlds. Prem.

    They are. Yelles AB is Inleed.

    I know, but seperate company right?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb see what company you paid to on your invoice from Inleed. It’ll say Yelles AB.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @sillycat said:

    @Turbo_Pascal said:
    Can you explain this a little (like I'm 15 years old)?

    @sillycat said: Most likely using CentralNic's ICANN integration yappa. Very bad.

    CentralNic helped Inleed become an ICANN accredited registrar and helps them with integration. Everything goes Inleed -> CentralNic -> ICANN.
    https://www.centralnicreseller.com/registry-account-management-ram/

    I don't like CentralNic. I avoid it like the plague.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all because I’d guess vast majority of their registrations are .SE & .NU so they probably spend most of their time with their system that communicates with IIS.

    I’m rather impressed as a small-ish Swedish provider that they’re ICANN accredited at all.

    But they arent.

    Edit: got a separate entity acting as their registrar. So dunno if that would qualify as inleed.

    May have bought the registrar...

    Anyhow its not that hard to become ICANN accredited, cost is decent if you are a cctld registrar already... Just fees... But... It's cheaper/faster to acquiry an existing registrar.

    Love inleed though. Use them a lot for cctlds. Prem.

    They are. Yelles AB is Inleed.

    I know, but seperate company right?

    Don’t think so, no.

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb see what company you paid to on your invoice from Inleed. It’ll say Yelles AB.

    You're right :)... I should check my invoices better, lol. I think most Swedish registrar's are resellers or part of Miss hosting (?). Good for them.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb see what company you paid to on your invoice from Inleed. It’ll say Yelles AB.

    I think most Swedish registrar's are resellers or part of Miss hosting (?). Good for them.

    Yup. They own it all basically, but they suck bad.

    Even the other big ones like Loopia I don’t think are ICANN accredited, but could be wrong.

  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

    You're probably right. Never looked into them much. Someone on e recommended them to me for se/nu and I never looked back.

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb see what company you paid to on your invoice from Inleed. It’ll say Yelles AB.

    I think most Swedish registrar's are resellers or part of Miss hosting (?). Good for them.

    Yup. They own it all basically, but they suck bad.

    Even the other big ones like Loopia I don’t think are ICANN accredited, but could be wrong.

    Probably right. Loopia sucks big time as well but big market share.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

    You're probably right. Never looked into them much. Someone on e recommended them to me for se/nu and I never looked back.

    Glad to hear, people who use them are usually very happy from what I’ve seen.

    I think I recall seeing a crazy slow YABS of their VPS though, and when I used their web hosting I recall it being slow, but they’re very cheap for Swedish standards so…

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb see what company you paid to on your invoice from Inleed. It’ll say Yelles AB.

    I think most Swedish registrar's are resellers or part of Miss hosting (?). Good for them.

    Yup. They own it all basically, but they suck bad.

    Even the other big ones like Loopia I don’t think are ICANN accredited, but could be wrong.

    Probably right. Loopia sucks big time as well but big market share.

    Yeah, they’re bad, but they don’t use the same very very questionable sales tactics at least.

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  • I am curious, how much wud it cost someone to launch a tld ? lets say dot rat ? Like ballpark figure in fees ? @Saragoldfarb @emgh

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

    You're probably right. Never looked into them much. Someone on e recommended them to me for se/nu and I never looked back.

    Glad to hear, people who use them are usually very happy from what I’ve seen.

    I think I recall seeing a crazy slow YABS of their VPS though, and when I used their web hosting I recall it being slow, but they’re very cheap for Swedish standards so…

    I think they're more registrar focussed so I don't blame them.

    Use(d) wk.se as well. Is like using a registrar from 1999 but it work(ed) fine. Good pricing. They recently redeveloped site/backend... Dunno.. I mean, I don't care much for the registrar if basics work, registry (Internetstiftelsen) is superb.

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @raza19 said:
    I am curious, how much wud it cost someone to launch a tld ? lets say dot rat ? Like ballpark figure in fees ? @Saragoldfarb @emgh

    500K

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    Next approval round opens Q2 2026 so be quick:)

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  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    I mean, it's like 240K approval, then your infra and manhours.

    Once set it gets lower, abou 28K/y for ICANN + your own expenses.

    Thanked by 2emgh raza19
  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    We're cctld accredited for 2 registries, use resellers for gTLDs as it's hard to make the math work unless you can scale. We're close though.

    Then you have the big registrars who can provide at cost registration because they can as they're able to upsell with add-ons. Cannot compete without much, much funding from the start.

    Then, ICANN is like... A fucking snail... A sloth , it takes ages... Fucking annoying... I mean... Sigh.

    They should adopt some from Scandinavia/West Europe registries. Stick it to the registries maintaining the TLDs, fuck verisign archaic sobs.

    Sorry... I feel I digress.

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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited February 2025

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

    You're probably right. Never looked into them much. Someone on e recommended them to me for se/nu and I never looked back.

    Glad to hear, people who use them are usually very happy from what I’ve seen.

    I think I recall seeing a crazy slow YABS of their VPS though, and when I used their web hosting I recall it being slow, but they’re very cheap for Swedish standards so…

    I think they're more registrar focussed so I don't blame them.

    Use(d) wk.se as well. Is like using a registrar from 1999 but it work(ed) fine. Good pricing. They recently redeveloped site/backend... Dunno.. I mean, I don't care much for the registrar if basics work, registry (Internetstiftelsen) is superb.

    YES, IIS is the shit. They’ve helped me get the transfer code to a domain from a shit provider (when I called them, they asked me to email them with the domain name in question and that they’ll help me, and so I emailed and included the provider as well in the email and before even IIS got back, they got scared gave me the auth key.

    They also operate two free to use offices in Sweden for co-working etc. Also events etc.

    And, they publish lots of stats. Everything is public. They have a txt for download of dropping domains and they show stats for each registrar like how many domains they’ve registered etc.

    Although, I don’t think Inleed is more domain-focused, even though that’s where they shine. They operate at least one DC (DC meaning basically a rebuilt house IIRC), likely two. They’ve also expanded their presence recently I think, and they do colo at very competitive rates.

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  • @Saragoldfarb said:

    @raza19 said:
    I am curious, how much wud it cost someone to launch a tld ? lets say dot rat ? Like ballpark figure in fees ? @Saragoldfarb @emgh

    500K

    Ho li fk! like seriously someone spent half a million dollar to get ml and tk then give it for free, kudos to them albeit sad where they all went :) Very expensive though.. I thought it wud be much cheaper.

    after getting a tld registry, can that registrar like withhold some key domains for auctions without offering them at regular prices first? I know a registrar doing that 🤔

  • SaragoldfarbSaragoldfarb Member, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:

    @emgh said:

    @Saragoldfarb said:
    Oh, inleed is the subsidiary of Yelles... Makes sense :)

    Yeah, so they say, but I think ’brand’ is a better word. I don’t think Inleed is s company at all. Yelles AB is the only company.

    @emgh said:
    @Saragoldfarb I think this is the CEO

    https://www.allabolag.se/befattningshavare/jens-mats-olsson/-/11325673

    Some holding company but nothing else. It’s Yelles AB. There’s no Inleed company IIRC

    You're probably right. Never looked into them much. Someone on e recommended them to me for se/nu and I never looked back.

    Glad to hear, people who use them are usually very happy from what I’ve seen.

    I think I recall seeing a crazy slow YABS of their VPS though, and when I used their web hosting I recall it being slow, but they’re very cheap for Swedish standards so…

    I think they're more registrar focussed so I don't blame them.

    Use(d) wk.se as well. Is like using a registrar from 1999 but it work(ed) fine. Good pricing. They recently redeveloped site/backend... Dunno.. I mean, I don't care much for the registrar if basics work, registry (Internetstiftelsen) is superb.

    YES, IIS is the shit. They’ve helped me get the transfer code to a domain from a shit provider (when I called them, they asked me to email them with the domain name in question and that they’ll help me, and so I emailed and included the provider as well in the email and before even IIS got back, they got scared gave me the auth key.

    They also operate two free to use offices in Sweden for co-working etc. Also events etc.

    And, they publish lots of stats. Everything is public. They have a txt for download of dropping domains and they show stats for each registrar like how many domains they’ve registered etc.

    Although, I don’t think Inleed is more domain-focused, even though that’s where they shine. They operate at least one DC (DC meaning basically a rebuilt house IIRC). They’ve also expanded their presence recently I think, and they do colo at very competitive rates.

    Yes, Prem stuff.

    Oh, I didn't know that about inleed. Will check them out for servers.

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