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We want to reduce the spam in the offers category - share your ideas!

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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @Mumbly said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Create a Clean Offers sub-category (under the Offers category) in which spam replies are prohibited.
    The regular Offers category allows spam.

    Readers can click Clean Offers category to see only clean offers, or click Offers category to see both.

    Provider can choose to post in either category, sharing the same 10-day frequency.
    If a provider encourages spam in Clean Offers, the thread gets deleted.
    When an offer thread is deleted, the provider must still wait out the 10-day clock before trying again.

    This does not solve the problem. In fact, it does nothing problem related.
    Spam offers still get bumped up on the top of the front page, and non-spam offers disappear, which puts hosts who do not encourage spam in their sales threads at a disadvantage.
    It's not about forum categories really, but about the front page being full of the same old constantly bumped up crap.

    Insert /categories/squeaky-clean in your bookmark.

  • @yoursunny said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Create a Clean Offers sub-category (under the Offers category) in which spam replies are prohibited.
    The regular Offers category allows spam.

    Readers can click Clean Offers category to see only clean offers, or click Offers category to see both.

    Provider can choose to post in either category, sharing the same 10-day frequency.
    If a provider encourages spam in Clean Offers, the thread gets deleted.
    When an offer thread is deleted, the provider must still wait out the 10-day clock before trying again.

    This does not solve the problem. In fact, it does nothing problem related.
    Spam offers still get bumped up on the top of the front page, and non-spam offers disappear, which puts hosts who do not encourage spam in their sales threads at a disadvantage.
    It's not about forum categories really, but about the front page being full of the same old constantly bumped up crap.

    Insert /categories/squeaky-clean in your bookmark.

    "Ethical" :D

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @Mumbly said:

    @yoursunny said:
    Create a Clean Offers sub-category (under the Offers category) in which spam replies are prohibited.
    The regular Offers category allows spam.

    Readers can click Clean Offers category to see only clean offers, or click Offers category to see both.

    Provider can choose to post in either category, sharing the same 10-day frequency.
    If a provider encourages spam in Clean Offers, the thread gets deleted.
    When an offer thread is deleted, the provider must still wait out the 10-day clock before trying again.

    This does not solve the problem. In fact, it does nothing problem related.
    Spam offers still get bumped up on the top of the front page, and non-spam offers disappear, which puts hosts who do not encourage spam in their sales threads at a disadvantage.
    It's not about forum categories really, but about the front page being full of the same old constantly bumped up crap.

    Simple solution: always put bot/spamming sales threads BELOW the clean sales threads which always come first.
    Nice side effect: motivates and rewards providers to run clean sales threads.

  • @Mumbly said: I wonder how many people use burner accounts for those "free" add-on requests because they don't want to expose their forum identity to hosts who have their real name on file.

    this has always held me back. is a second account allowed for something like this?

  • gksgks Member

    The forum needed weighted approach, based on certain weightage, new deals, may be ranked higher, non provider posts will have lower priority for the home page. One of the top navigation should have link to offers, then LEB, discussion etc follow through.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited January 2025

    @jsg said: Simple solution: always put bot/spamming sales threads BELOW the clean sales threads which always come first.

    Simple solution in Vanilla? The best you can do is manually sink a thread every time.
    There's nothing simple about Vanilla. It's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

  • @hyperblast said:
    this has always held me back. is a second account allowed for something like this?

    No, of course not. But it's a tech community where people discuss servers, VPNs, etc... so who can really stop you if you want to do it? Not that I encourage it, of course.

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  • @NaXal said:
    New Hosting offers will suffer if you wish to reduce spam

    No they won't...

    Providers could just offer 2GB RAM and 2TB b/w from the start, without offering 1GB RAM + 1TB b/w and then this "spam our thread to get 2GB/2TB" noncery

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @hostnoob said:

    @NaXal said:
    New Hosting offers will suffer if you wish to reduce spam

    No they won't...

    Providers could just offer 2GB RAM and 2TB b/w from the start, without offering 1GB RAM + 1TB b/w and then this "spam our thread to get 2GB/2TB" noncery

    That's the VirmAche Way ™️.
    VirmAche figured out this advanced bandwidth doubling technology since 2019.

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  • so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

  • @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    well im not a huge fan of the double my bandwidth stuff since YABS dont use all that much but it works well for racknerd, and he did give all those giveaways for engagement.

    I don't know how repeat forum traffic works, but analytics should be much better than before this started. ads revenue etc.

    so unless there's an alternative method to replace traffic organically, this aint going away soon.

    but my main point is

    looking forward to the next megathread

    MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    You are making many assumptions here. Please wait. Once the gate is open, it's very hard to close it again. So many of you have waited this long, just give it a few more days. It's not business as usual. Someone took the first step, let's not be so quick to strike it down.

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  • ArkasArkas Member, Retired Moderator

    Threads that are locked in place say for 2 weeks regardless of posts could be a temporary solution. Sort of like a ort by date opened per 14 days instead of sort by newest post. This is just a temporary example.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @Arkas said:

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    You are making many assumptions here. Please wait. Once the gate is open, it's very hard to close it again. So many of you have waited this long, just give it a few more days. It's not business as usual. Someone took the first step, let's not be so quick to strike it down.

    I hope whay you say is true.

    I have put it b4. The previous thread was opened by the Owner @jbiloh , and nothing hapoened. Infact in April 2024... he posted things were finalized. There was hope and light at the end of the tunnel...
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3944318/#Comment_3944318

    And here we are.

    How does one define a few more days? Without a set end date this is nothing more than fluff.

    It is what it is.

    If changes do happen, I am happy for the community. If not, I am still going to be happy.

  • If you are asking for my suggestions, and I am not here to criticize any moderation:

    I am quite fed up with the gamification topics that ask for “respond with some kind of sentence and maybe you will win something.” When I see a topic with 143 comments since the last time I have read it, I expect a major thing happened at the provider.

    But what I also would really appreciate: clear rules. As soon as this topic was opened, a lot of questions were raised. I’d vouch for making clear rules. Give examples of what is allowed and what not. I do not like the “go try and find out yourself”-way. After all, we want a constructive community and want clarity of what is allowed and what not. Most of us would like to avoid receiving any warnings. It would be nice if we can just build a list. The annoucement about the sales rules would be a great example of what I would love to see.

    After all, we have a big community with a broad diversity of users. One is willing to take the risk, others are more risk averse and try to stay clean on the warnings.

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  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @cybertech said:

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    well im not a huge fan of the double my bandwidth stuff since YABS dont use all that much but it works well for racknerd, and he did give all those giveaways for engagement.

    I don't know how repeat forum traffic works, but analytics should be much better than before this started. ads revenue etc.

    so unless there's an alternative method to replace traffic organically, this aint going away soon.

    but my main point is

    looking forward to the next megathread

    MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Traffic is here cause of some really nice deals provided catering to a niche market.

    But that has also led to providers coming and making unsustainable offers and scamming people left and right leading to them either deadpool or being banned.

    The cycle continues every few months. So definitely the level of engagement stays high organically

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  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    [@DennisdeWit said] After all, we want a constructive community

    I think there is some disconnect with whay community wants and what the forum owners want.

    $$$ comes in play and overshadows many things.

    Post crap to win a giveaway.
    It just works... causes more users to sign up and post.

    It looks good to show how popular the forum is with active users. Whether the content generated is questionable or constructive, does not matter.

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  • cybertechcybertech Member
    edited January 2025

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    well im not a huge fan of the double my bandwidth stuff since YABS dont use all that much but it works well for racknerd, and he did give all those giveaways for engagement.

    I don't know how repeat forum traffic works, but analytics should be much better than before this started. ads revenue etc.

    so unless there's an alternative method to replace traffic organically, this aint going away soon.

    but my main point is

    looking forward to the next megathread

    MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Traffic is here cause of some really nice deals provided catering to a niche market.

    But that has also led to providers coming and making unsustainable offers and scamming people left and right leading to them either deadpool or being banned.

    The cycle continues every few months. So definitely the level of engagement stays high organically

    i would imagine in the past any flash deal links could be reposted elsewhere, without the real need to come here.

    now with double my xxx engagement its a whole bunch of metrics improved; (active) new forum members forum posts etc. all the once dormant members and lurkers are now called to action

    then comes all the other giveaways, megathreads, after party transfer requests etc.

    this is definitely not by chance.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: Simple solution: always put bot/spamming sales threads BELOW the clean sales threads which always come first.

    Simple solution in Vanilla? The best you can do is manually sink a thread every time.
    There's nothing simple about Vanilla. It's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

  • EthernetServersEthernetServers Member, Patron Provider

    A possible option that came to mind (maybe already mentioned, not sure):

    Add the ability for people to hide threads in the offers forum from showing up on the index page.

    That way if someone is in the market for a service, they simply click the Offers category from the sidebar on the index page.

    If Vanilla has no functionality to do that, maybe there can be an browser script to do it, hosted publicly on GitHub where anyone can review the source code, possibly maintained by LET staff?

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  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    [@emgh said]

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    But which thread goes down and which doesn't?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @plumberg said:

    [@emgh said]

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    But which thread goes down and which doesn't?

    Every thread goes one step down for every reply

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @cybertech said:

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:

    @plumberg said:

    @cybertech said:
    so closed threads have been reopened? business as usual then

    The attempt was made by a moderator, seems like without consulting others and this led to the action being struck down and here we are

    Anyone hoping this will ever change is living in an alternate reality

    well im not a huge fan of the double my bandwidth stuff since YABS dont use all that much but it works well for racknerd, and he did give all those giveaways for engagement.

    I don't know how repeat forum traffic works, but analytics should be much better than before this started. ads revenue etc.

    so unless there's an alternative method to replace traffic organically, this aint going away soon.

    but my main point is

    looking forward to the next megathread

    MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Traffic is here cause of some really nice deals provided catering to a niche market.

    But that has also led to providers coming and making unsustainable offers and scamming people left and right leading to them either deadpool or being banned.

    The cycle continues every few months. So definitely the level of engagement stays high organically

    i would imagine in the past any flash deal links could be reposted elsewhere, without the real need to come here.

    now with double my xxx engagement its a whole bunch of metrics improved; (active) new forum members forum posts etc. all the once dormant members and lurkers are now called to action

    then comes all the other giveaways, megathreads, after party transfer requests etc.

    this is definitely not by chance.

    Yeah and the weird part is, most of the double xx engagements are geared towards bandwidth. I recollect seeing providers post that hardly 10 - 15% of network capacity is utilized.

    Many users will probably never even hit a few 100gbs let alone couple tbs or unlimited.

    Sure, it's more like a flex option, I got xx for same price. But nothing else.

    And for thr most part as we all know

    • providers have already factored that in the price
    • they get to keep the thread active on the front page getting more visibility
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  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:

    [@emgh said]

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    But which thread goes down and which doesn't?

    Every thread goes one step down for every reply

    Thay would be an awesome feature. Good luck with this forum existing any more.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @plumberg said:

    @emgh said:

    @plumberg said:

    [@emgh said]

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    But which thread goes down and which doesn't?

    Every thread goes one step down for every reply

    Thay would be an awesome feature. Good luck with this forum existing any more.

    I’ll start a petition.

  • MumblyMumbly Member
    edited January 2025

    @emgh said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: Simple solution: always put bot/spamming sales threads BELOW the clean sales threads which always come first.

    Simple solution in Vanilla? The best you can do is manually sink a thread every time.
    There's nothing simple about Vanilla. It's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    How?
    As soon as someone replies to the thread in offers section, the mod will need to manually push the thread sink button?
    If the answer is yes, then once again, it's reinventing the wheel as it's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited January 2025

    @Mumbly said:

    @emgh said:

    @Mumbly said:

    @jsg said: Simple solution: always put bot/spamming sales threads BELOW the clean sales threads which always come first.

    Simple solution in Vanilla? The best you can do is manually sink a thread every time.
    There's nothing simple about Vanilla. It's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

    Simple solution: threads move down as they get replies

    How?
    As soon as someone replies to the thread in offers section, the mod will need to manually push the thread sink button?
    If the answer is yes, then once again, it's reinventing the wheel as it's more effective to simply forbid that crap in the rules and be done with it.

    No, instead of a reply bumping a thread up, it lowers it down one step. I can code this no worries.

  • Ok.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Will you sign the petition?

This discussion has been closed.