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  • @jnd said:
    If tickets like these keep HH busy then I see why provisioning of my server takes so long.

    Are you serious? wow!

  • jndjnd Member

    @i12h said:

    @jnd said:
    If tickets like these keep HH busy then I see why provisioning of my server takes so long.

    Are you serious? wow!

    Yes serious, what is your actual issue again besides comparing benchmarks?

    Thanked by 2webcraft ariq01
  • So, in summary...

    You bought a service where it is clearly stated there are no refunds, but you want a refund anyway.

    You're complaining that 1.21 GB/s is too slow on a VPS with several other customers on it, all sharing the same drive. To put it into context, I'd only expect about 3-4x this from most NVMe drives on a dedi.

    I'm wondering what your application is that requires a disk speed that's any faster than what you're seeing, as it seems pretty reasonable to me. Not the fastest, but by no means the slowest for a VPS. Are you actually encountering any real-world performance problems, or are you just worried because you want the biggest number you can get "just in case".

    Finally, people complaining about the slow support speed on promotional services might want to notice that in the screenshot, the customer service response was within 24 hours every time, despite the fact that the ticket was clearly not a problem with the actual service.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    On 99 % of HostHatch threads I side with the client.

    I just want @hosthatch to know that in this one, even I can’t do that.

    Conclusion: HostHatch did nothing wrong. Both VM’s perform great. If you need dedicated performance, get a dedicated server.

  • derekyangderekyang Member
    edited January 2025

    @i12h said:

    @derekyang said:
    Paid for VPS price, expecting Dedi spec and performance

    Even if you think the spec posted are the spec of the Dedi, what choice do I have at the moment? Can I only change my own understanding, that is, buy lessons with money? Or do I at least have the right to apply for a refund? Especially when I first got this VPS not long ago.

    We know the fact that it's VPS and all resource are shared (yes, sometimes the CPU can be dedicated but overselling is common ) , when you have a naughty neighbour you may received worse performance compare to your original performance received. sometimes you are the naughty boy (unintentionally ).

    It's low-end market and good luck when you have a premium VPS from premium provider with low cost , most of cases you get less than you paid or similar quality as what you paid. if you qualified for refund just go for it but check the terms carefully as when we buy on LET, we have no time to check the terms :)

  • remyremy Member
    edited January 2025

    Netcup sometimes provides nvme disks that are slower than this for servers that cost much more (like 20$ per month)

    I don't understand the number of negative comments about hosthatch. I've been a customer for many years.
    But obviously we don't have the same expectations.

    There are a few providers who are really incompetent and who advertise here. But nobody talks about them and there's a lot more to say and a lot to laugh about.

    Here's hoping that Hosthatch doesn't get tired of the drama here and continues to offer us promotional deals…

  • Thanks guys.

    All of the above comments are the motivation for me to update my own understanding, and I accept them all.

  • @jnd said:

    @i12h said:

    @jnd said:
    If tickets like these keep HH busy then I see why provisioning of my server takes so long.

    Are you serious? wow!

    Yes serious, what is your actual issue again besides comparing benchmarks?

    That is to say I cannot refund at the same time.

    The first person perspective makes me feel things are a bit weird, I mean, I have no choice at this time. I didn't realize this before.

  • Too many bold text here, i can't read

    Thanked by 1Freek
  • @ariq01 said:
    Too many bold text here, i can't read

    Sorry, I will try my best to control myself from using bold text anymore.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • @i12h said:

    @ariq01 said:
    Too many bold text here, i can't read

    Sorry, I will try my best to control myself from using bold text anymore.

    Thanked by 3i12h ariq01 dev_vps
  • i12hi12h Member
    edited January 2025

    @ralf said:
    Finally, people complaining about the slow support speed on promotional services might want to notice that in the screenshot, the customer service response was within 24 hours every time, despite the fact that the ticket was clearly not a problem with the actual service.

    This is true you mentioned, I would also like to state that my ticket was not created with urgent priority but HH responded faster than I expected.

  • Why did you censor your name but not the staff in each screenshot?

    Thanked by 2Wolf webcraft
  • he was able to but i guess he forgot

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @samm said:
    Why did you censor your name but not the staff in each screenshot?

    I mean that’s quite understandable IMO

  • i12hi12h Member
    edited January 2025

    @samm said:
    Why did you censor your name but not the staff in each screenshot?

    Sorry, probably because I was lazy when making the mask bar.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • @derekyang said:

    @i12h said:

    @derekyang said:
    Paid for VPS price, expecting Dedi spec and performance

    Even if you think the spec posted are the spec of the Dedi, what choice do I have at the moment? Can I only change my own understanding, that is, buy lessons with money? Or do I at least have the right to apply for a refund? Especially when I first got this VPS not long ago.

    It's low-end market and good luck when you have a premium VPS from premium provider with low cost , most of cases you get less than you paid or similar quality as what you paid. if you qualified for refund just go for it but check the terms carefully as when we buy on LET, we have no time to check the terms :)

    My guess is that the crux of the problem is this:

    I have no right to disagree with the quality of the VPS performance, and at the same time I have no right to apply for a refund.

    That's why I'm showing you the situation I feel in a way that is as unemotional as possible for your reference.

  • @jnd said:
    Unless you run high intensity database server how exactly does it affect your use case? Or is this only measurebaiting with no real use?

    I suddenly remembered that I had stated this situation in another post:

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4181522#Comment_4181522
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4181558#Comment_4181558

    Thanks.

  • @i12h said:

    @Andru said:
    Post a full yabs please, I may full refund you and transfer your VPS to me :)
    LE: I saw it now ... Its a 4gb ram, so I'm out sorry.

    Nevermind, thanks anyway :)
    F.Y.I

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2025-01-01                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Mon Jan  6 05:49:53 PM +07 2025
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 18 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC 7R32 48-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 2799.930 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 3.8 GiB
    Swap       : 4.0 GiB
    Disk       : 45.5 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Kernel     : 6.1.0-28-cloud-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online
    
    IPv6 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : HostHatch
    ASN        : AS63473 HostHatch, LLC
    Host       : HostHatch, LLC
    Location   : Chiyoda, Tokyo (13)
    Country    : Japan
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 28.24 MB/s    (7.0k) | 414.92 MB/s   (6.4k)
    Write      | 28.27 MB/s    (7.0k) | 417.11 MB/s   (6.5k)
    Total      | 56.52 MB/s   (14.1k) | 832.03 MB/s  (13.0k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.75 GB/s     (3.4k) | 1.70 GB/s     (1.6k)
    Write      | 1.85 GB/s     (3.6k) | 1.81 GB/s     (1.7k)
    Total      | 3.61 GB/s     (7.0k) | 3.52 GB/s     (3.4k)
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1116                          
    Multi Core      | 1987                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9792361
    
    YABS completed in 9 min 18 sec
    

    Maybe you can try reinstall OS.

  • @Alexxx said:

    @i12h said:

    @Andru said:
    Post a full yabs please, I may full refund you and transfer your VPS to me :)
    LE: I saw it now ... Its a 4gb ram, so I'm out sorry.

    Nevermind, thanks anyway :)
    F.Y.I

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2025-01-01                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Mon Jan  6 05:49:53 PM +07 2025
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 18 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC 7R32 48-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 2799.930 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 3.8 GiB
    Swap       : 4.0 GiB
    Disk       : 45.5 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Kernel     : 6.1.0-28-cloud-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online
    
    IPv6 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : HostHatch
    ASN        : AS63473 HostHatch, LLC
    Host       : HostHatch, LLC
    Location   : Chiyoda, Tokyo (13)
    Country    : Japan
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 28.24 MB/s    (7.0k) | 414.92 MB/s   (6.4k)
    Write      | 28.27 MB/s    (7.0k) | 417.11 MB/s   (6.5k)
    Total      | 56.52 MB/s   (14.1k) | 832.03 MB/s  (13.0k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.75 GB/s     (3.4k) | 1.70 GB/s     (1.6k)
    Write      | 1.85 GB/s     (3.6k) | 1.81 GB/s     (1.7k)
    Total      | 3.61 GB/s     (7.0k) | 3.52 GB/s     (3.4k)
    
    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1116                          
    Multi Core      | 1987                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9792361
    
    YABS completed in 9 min 18 sec
    

    Maybe you can try reinstall OS.

    I've re-installed it 3 times already.

  • I'd suggest if you're not happy with it you open a thread in the service transfers category. I'm sure somebody will happily take it off your hands.

  • niknik Member, Host Rep

    It looks like IOPS are limited to 7K, which is the choice of the provider. Moving you to another node will do nothing, since it's a hard limit. It looks like decent NVMes since you are able to push > 1.8 GB/s with higher block count, but IOPS are simply limited on the hypervisor.

  • @emgh said:
    On 99 % of HostHatch threads I side with the client.

    I just want @hosthatch to know that in this one, even I can’t do that.

    Conclusion: HostHatch did nothing wrong. Both VM’s perform great. If you need dedicated performance, get a dedicated server.

    Very well said. Can’t agree more.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • i12hi12h Member
    edited January 2025

    @ralf said:
    I'd suggest if you're not happy with it you open a thread in the service transfers category. I'm sure somebody will happily take it off your hands.

    This VPS costs $35, not $350 :'(

    $10 for push, or $15 for migration.
    The former needs to wait/maintain, close to 30% of the price;
    The latter does not guarantee that it will be fulfilled after the migration, over 40% of the price.

    I'm just throwing ideas out there and I certainly wouldn't mind if I didn't get a refund.
    As I'd mentioned to HH in screenshot #2 of the ticket: a refund was never my intention.

  • @i12h said:

        Basic System Information:
        ---------------------------------
        Uptime     : 18 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes
        Processor  : AMD EPYC 7R32 48-Core Processor
        CPU cores  : 2 @ 2799.930 MHz
        AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
        VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
        RAM        : 3.8 GiB
        Swap       : 4.0 GiB
        Disk       : 45.5 GiB
        Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
        Kernel     : 6.1.0-28-cloud-amd64
    

    Can you please run YABS again, but with zero swap space (or max 1 GB swap space)?

    Thanks!

  • @i12h said:

    @ralf said:
    I'd suggest if you're not happy with it you open a thread in the service transfers category. I'm sure somebody will happily take it off your hands.

    This VPS costs $35, not $350 :'(

    $10 for push, or $15 for migration.
    The former needs to wait/maintain, close to 30% of the price;
    The latter does not guarantee that it will be fulfilled after the migration, over 40% of the price.

    I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here.

    If this machine has only just been deployed and has almost full term left, most people would be happy pay the annual fee plus the transfer fee, which I believe is $10.

    Most sellers pro-rata the asking price based on how much is left until renewal, so e.g. if you've used a month, then 11/12 of annual price or 23/24 of biennial price etc.

    The maximum you can charge is 2x renewal price.

    Thanked by 2webcraft dev_vps
  • @dev_vps said:

    @i12h said:

        Basic System Information:
        ---------------------------------
        Uptime     : 18 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes
        Processor  : AMD EPYC 7R32 48-Core Processor
        CPU cores  : 2 @ 2799.930 MHz
        AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
        VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
        RAM        : 3.8 GiB
        Swap       : 4.0 GiB
        Disk       : 45.5 GiB
        Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
        Kernel     : 6.1.0-28-cloud-amd64
    

    Can you please run YABS again, but with zero swap space (or max 1 GB swap space)?

    Thanks!

    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2025-01-01                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Mon Jan  6 08:43:59 PM +07 2025
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Uptime     : 18 days, 8 hours, 36 minutes
    Processor  : AMD EPYC 7R32 48-Core Processor
    CPU cores  : 2 @ 2799.930 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM        : 3.8 GiB
    Swap       : 0.0 KiB
    Disk       : 45.5 GiB
    Distro     : Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
    Kernel     : 6.1.0-28-cloud-amd64
    VM Type    : KVM
    IPv4/IPv6  : ✔ Online / ✔ Online
    
    IPv6 Network Information:
    ---------------------------------
    ISP        : HostHatch
    ASN        : AS63473 HostHatch, LLC
    Host       : HostHatch, LLC
    Location   : Chiyoda, Tokyo (13)
    Country    : Japan
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 28.97 MB/s    (7.2k) | 411.66 MB/s   (6.4k)
    Write      | 28.98 MB/s    (7.2k) | 413.82 MB/s   (6.4k)
    Total      | 57.95 MB/s   (14.4k) | 825.48 MB/s  (12.8k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 1.70 GB/s     (3.3k) | 1.79 GB/s     (1.7k)
    Write      | 1.79 GB/s     (3.5k) | 1.91 GB/s     (1.8k)
    Total      | 3.50 GB/s     (6.8k) | 3.71 GB/s     (3.6k)
    
    Running GB6 benchmark test... *cue elevator music*^C
    ** Aborting YABS. Cleaning up files...
    
  • i12hi12h Member
    edited January 2025

    @ralf said:

    @i12h said:

    @ralf said:
    I'd suggest if you're not happy with it you open a thread in the service transfers category. I'm sure somebody will happily take it off your hands.

    This VPS costs $35, not $350 :'(

    $10 for push, or $15 for migration.
    The former needs to wait/maintain, close to 30% of the price;
    The latter does not guarantee that it will be fulfilled after the migration, over 40% of the price.

    I have literally no idea what you're trying to say here.

    If this machine has only just been deployed and has almost full term left, most people would be happy pay the annual fee plus the transfer fee, which I believe is $10.

    Most sellers pro-rata the asking price based on how much is left until renewal, so e.g. if you've used a month, then 11/12 of annual price or 23/24 of biennial price etc.

    The maximum you can charge is 2x renewal price.

    Basically, I've never reselled VPS before, I'm not sure the resale market and rules. I appreciate the offer either way, but I don't want reselling it myself.

  • @i12h said:

        fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50) (Partition /dev/vda1):
        ---------------------------------
        Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
          ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
        Read       | 28.97 MB/s    (7.2k) | 411.66 MB/s   (6.4k)
        Write      | 28.98 MB/s    (7.2k) | 413.82 MB/s   (6.4k)
        Total      | 57.95 MB/s   (14.4k) | 825.48 MB/s  (12.8k)
                   |                      |                     
        Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
          ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
        Read       | 1.70 GB/s     (3.3k) | 1.79 GB/s     (1.7k)
        Write      | 1.79 GB/s     (3.5k) | 1.91 GB/s     (1.8k)
        Total      | 3.50 GB/s     (6.8k) | 3.71 GB/s     (3.6k)
        
    

    Now taking this along with your last ticket request

    A refund is not my intention here, but can't you just throw me a bone and at least acknowledge the issue as I see it?

    Besides, base your LET post: "Please note that you can ask for a refund any time after the initial 10 working days ETA".

    • Based on YABS disk i/o , I don’t see any performance issue here, and HH can’t throw you a “bone” for non-issue
    • The refund statement was in context of servers not being delivered beyond stated ETA of two weeks.

    As @ralf has suggested, if you are not happy with the vps performance, you should consider server transfer.

    You can see YABS I have posted here (with a different provider)
    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4253382/#Comment_4253382
    and disk i/o is much less than what you are seeing here. That VPS is working well for my use case.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @dev_vps said:

    @emgh said:
    On 99 % of HostHatch threads I side with the client.

    I just want @hosthatch to know that in this one, even I can’t do that.

    Conclusion: HostHatch did nothing wrong. Both VM’s perform great. If you need dedicated performance, get a dedicated server.

    Very well said. Can’t agree more.

    <3

    Thanked by 1dev_vps
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