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I think the ideal situation would be that the hosting company recognizes the legitimacy of the struck agreement and transfers the server regardless of whether the seller wants to.
Some companies here might even do that! Not Hetzner though...
Its good OP was banned. They can sort it out through email or through paypal. We as a community have seen everything we need to see. The mods don't ban someone if its not clear.
On what basis? Don't be silly.
As a hosting company, you have responsibilities toward your client - the person who ordered and paid for the service, not some unrelated third-party individual who may claim the service from your client.
A hosting company is there to offer a service, not to play a detective and involve itself in a private dispute between two parties that has nothing to do with company itself.
(I'm not defending the OP here, just stating the obvious.)
Before transferring the service, he should have initially released the server. And then offered it to someone, and not count on someone waiting 2 days for him to do it. Also, if you have been on the forum for a long time, you would understand that a notification is made, you contact the supplier and when paying via PayPal there were rarely cases when you had to wait more than 12-24 hours for the service to be transferred. Therefore, @dev_vps waited a completely reasonable time and asked him about it. Without looking, I assessed the user who was banned a little harshly. Since he has been on the forum for a long time and offered some things for sale - this, I agree, is not right from my point of view to assess him as a hardened scammer. But he did the wrong thing in this situation more than @dev_vps. I think that he, like me, transferred dozens of servers through the site and there was never such a long wait. In my practice, I have the same. And if initially it was necessary to transfer data, then it would have been possible to provide not a screenshot, but a video session or explain in more detail. You also have to understand that when you buy from someone through a forum, and not from a provider, you initially trust them less than any service provider, and even for a small amount, you still worry and twitch much more. And this rule will work for everyone. And you also better avoid comparing forum members to animals, as I did in my statement just now. And I also noticed that you initially find fault with the person a lot, and the same was in another thread.
OP has warned data is not transferred yet in the original message.
Sorry, didn't read the rest of your message as the very first sentence is already ireelevant.
Yes, I looked at it I have already changed my point of view and said that I assessed it a bit harshly. Thank you for pointing this out to me, in future I will be more careful with such assessments and watch a lot in advance, so that I don’t say thoughtless things later.
No need to make too much of it or overcomplicate things. Forum members have made hundreds of transactions with each other. Escrow? Really? Stop being silly. Most of these private transactions are worth a few bucks and nothing more than that. No one wants to spend additional effort, time, or even costs to transfer out something worth 10 bucks.
The majority of service transfers go through smoothly, with only rare complications like this one. The offender is banned, and in the worst case, the buyer will need to open a PayPal case and that's it. Honestly, some people are making too big a deal out of it.
You are starting to irritate me a little with your one-sentence assessments, I am not going to prove anything. And here the situation is ambiguous, for him to suggest and wait for as long as I need - it was necessary to specify specific deadlines, and not just wait until I finish, I don’t know how much time I need and extend them. The person who is waiting on the other side - gets the impression that the delays are special and they are not going to give him anything. You have one phrase and you are trying to show that this says it all.
in my opinion, if someone posts my personal details, that user should be banned
He had no business of posting my email address and using foul language irrespective of disagreement and who is right vs who is wrong.
Not an easy thing to do if it's not goods. I still think they need to come into senses, talk, and issue will be solved. I don't see OP scamming, both were acting in good faith and had a fight over nothing.
Then I would be on them, as that's against PayPal rules anyway. But this sale actually went through as goods, not F&F, as seen in the screenshot.
By the way, PayPal has covered digital goods with PayPal protection for some decade now.
https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/merchant-intangibles-update
Escrow could have given the opportunity not only to transfer server rental services. But also the opportunity to open the sale of services by forum users of their own - there are webmasters, and devops, and system administrators - and there are many different services that different people use. And there are those that can be sold or transferred. Such a mechanism can be used. In the case as I described - you do not need to spend a lot of time on such implementation and support - especially if only for the transfer of server rental services from user to user, their number is not that large in fact. And you also need to understand that sometimes dedicated servers are transferred and with several months of prepayment, or half a year - and in this case such a payment will not be $ 10-11, but a more decent amount. Well, I understood one thing - that I will definitely implement this on my forum.
PayPal did not let me use F&F for that receiver
I saw that, which is why I said you will win the case with minimal effort
Make a forum for yourself if other people are irritating you.
The server is being transferred to @dev_vps as the client did reach out to initiate this transfer.
I completely agree with you. Such phrases cannot be ignored. At the same time, he said such very rude expressions not only in relation to you, but also to the whole family. Even if you are very right, this is in no way acceptable. Well, the publication of personal data is also unacceptable and in any case, although we do not have a completely anonymous forum here and if you want, you can find the user's data, but doing what this user does intentionally is naturally not normal.
Sure buddy... You make a lot of sense...
Haha
I can imagine that grumpy voice going with that. 
There are many small details
https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/buyer-protection
I know people were more successful by claiming transaction was not authorized.
What part exactly?
Of course, you can't get a refund for music or software as example that you've paid for and received, as you obviously can't return something like that "non-used".
But if you don't receive digital goods at all, it's the same threat as if you didn't receive physical goods.
I am creating my forum which I already mentioned before here. I also said that not to write just 1 sentence and showing that you are right.
I also dont like you said that I don't readu what you wrote to me further on.
Don't think that your point of view which you write and express in 1 sentence is the only correct assessment and other point of views don't exist. Your manner of communication is special and I can an answer in a rude way. But I will not do this.
Amazing. Even ChatGPT can not decode what you are saying. I have no idea what you are saying either.
Yep, got no desire and/or time for your usual LLM-like graphomania when the very first sentence shows you haven't read initial OP post but already have an opinion.
Ok, I hope you are right. Reddit users have quite a bunch of trouble with paypal and vps refunds.
Well, every case is different, and people usually don't complain publicly about PayPal when they win a dispute.
But generally, yes, even from past discussions on LET, it's relatively easy to win a PayPal dispute, even for a VPS, as long as it's justified.
Thank you.
Thanks @labze
The server has been transferred to my account
@Arkas
May I request to kindly take into consideration that he posted my email address and what he wrote about my family before unbanning him.
I read the first post and what was written. But we look at things differently, I have not considered some points completely.
The doxxing was very f****d up. Can't be doing that over an argument, no matter how angry you are. The foul language is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but posting the email address was way over the top.