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  • @JohnFilch123 said:
    guys, can anybody suggest whether HH will upgrade a black friday deal I bought a few years ago? Basically, I have got 512Mb RAM, would like to get 1Gb. Going to ask here first since do not want to distract with a ticket for now.

    It seems like @hosthatch is actively replying in this thread, so I am going to try it again.

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited July 2024

    @emgh said:
    @hosthatch you still don’t get it.

    I never said other hosts are more honest, maybe you’re the most honest of hosts.

    No, you just pointed us out, instead of starting with your favorite ones who do the same.

    I said that I don’t agree with dunking on the German hosts for advertisting something that isn’t what you get when you do it too.

    No, we don't. Again, lying. Already explained above how we provide a completely different service and expectations.

    You call threads ’cores’ because it sounds more powerful. You’re not in a position to criticize other hosts for doing the same thing

    Never criticized a host for calling it cores instead of CPU or whatever you are smoking. But I assume when when trying to act like an adult, you have to add some trolling. Please, show me where I said this. Screenshot would be great.

    Also, again, isn't that what the provider in your display picture is doing? I don't see their name in the title here. https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/195170/hosthatch-openly-lying-about-offers-only-providing-half-of-the-advertised-cores/p1

    What I see is someone who wants to continue with their shady practices but wants everyone else to stop.

    Shady according to you, and 0 other people. Even after your thread to try and rally other people. And somehow LET mods allowed the thread to remain public.

    Finally, you said you’d ignore me, but truth is, you can’t—just like I told you. You’re addicted to ’win’ this argument, as is clearly seen in your reply trying to make it seem like you have everyone’s support, that’s honestly just childish and too sad to actually make fun of, so I won’t dig deeper into that part.

    Of course, you're trying to finally speak partially normally instead of an angry skid. Some average random skid trying to defame with pure lies what I have built for nearly 13 years is finally getting down to adulthood (although clearly not completely yet) makes me happy. I wonder if some of this is your left over feelings because you asked for a job at one point and I had to politely refused, because I don't have the temper to have an unhinged kid work in the company I have spent 12-16 hours every day for the last many many years building on every day.

    @emgh said: I never tried to play some religious ’making the world a better place’, the thread you linked is clearly me making a joke out of your attitude.

    "All the market bad. But I will choose to particularly troll one provider." Definitely not religious and only based on unbiased facts.

    @emgh said: Todo (in order of priority):
    1. Keyboard-argue with @emgh
    2. Fix snapshot issues
    3. See point 1
    4. Sales

    1. Funny one, but I have little control over complex issues that need days of investigation. As a finally growing-up somewhat adult, you should understand that there is more than one person who works at HostHatch, and different people work on different things. I am aware of multiple issues that have been mentioned. I am not ignoring, its just that that are being worked on and me replying to an almost-adult-troll trying to defame us doesn't take time away from it.

    2. The sales part of this thread was over a long time ago :)

    @cybertech said: deals when?

    We will have more somewhere in August. I will try to make the exact date/time known in advance so everyone has a fair chance to get one of our "fake CPU cores". :smiley:

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @JohnFilch123 said:

    @JohnFilch123 said:
    guys, can anybody suggest whether HH will upgrade a black friday deal I bought a few years ago? Basically, I have got 512Mb RAM, would like to get 1Gb. Going to ask here first since do not want to distract with a ticket for now.

    It seems like @hosthatch is actively replying in this thread, so I am going to try it again.

    Please email me at a@hosthatch and I will see if we can offer it. We normally do not offer single resource upgrades on promotional plans (and even normal plans in most cases).

  • sure. i dont mind paying "fake price" for "fake cores"

    Thanked by 2emgh 2little2lateee
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2024

    @hosthatch

    1. People agree with labeling threads as ’cores’ is wrong, generally. Some don’t, but most do. I’ll happily create a thread not mentioning you with a simple poll. I assure you I’m right.
    2. I’m not mad in any way. I hated working in marketing. I now have a chief title at a tech company (it’s very small though) and I’m very happy. So I’m not mad in any way. I even used your services until recently. Low blow, but that’s fine.
    3. I never said you called it wrong to advertise threads as cores. Listen closely to this one because I’m getting tired of repeating it: To me, calling shared vCores ’dedicated’ is wrong. To me, calling threads/vCores ’cores’ is wrong too. My point is that since you’re calling out the CPU advertisting of other hosts, you should be careful to play as honest as possible yourself first. I NEVER said it was the exact same thing, you’re aruging against a strawman here. I’m saying both is wrong.
    4. You bring up BuyVM constantly. But they’re not relevant to me, as soon as they make a comment calling out your advertising, like you did to the german hosts, I’ll be sure to mention that too. I’m not a BuyVM fanboy. I don’t even use them at all anymore. Zero relationships with them. Fran has been very nice to me, and I’ve asked him about some colo offers I got and he’s been kind enough to take a took at them and provide his insights. That’s it. Nothing more. Except the fact that his body is a masterpiece. You’re probably jealous of it.
    5. If you don’t want to burden your thread with drama on the company you’ve spent so many years to build, don’t trash talk other hosts. Simple as that.
  • @emgh said:
    @hosthatch

    I now have a chief title

    nice, Chief!

    Thanked by 2emgh JohnFilch123
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2024

    @cybertech said:

    @emgh said:
    @hosthatch

    I now have a chief title

    nice, Chief!

    It's funny though that he thinks I'm some die hard fan because I photoshopped Fran to look naked :D

    Such a huge meaning to extract from a blurred, nude & photoshopped picture of someone

    Edit: If it makes you feel better, whoever is behind the HH account, send me a similar photo of yourself and Fran can be replaced

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @emgh said: I’m not mad in any way. I hated working in marketing. I now have a chief title at a tech company (it’s very small though) and I’m very happy. So I’m not mad in any way. I even used your services until recently. Low blow, but that’s fine.

    Truly happy for you for that, and congrats on that.

    @emgh said: like you did to the german hosts, I’ll be sure to mention that too

    Either you really do not know, or you are acting like you don't know (somehow I feel it is the latter), but here it is: it is an accepted truth in the community that with these group of providers, who call it "dedicated" cores, which means you can use as much as you want, but you are likely to have severe CPU steal, because everyone is competing for the same CPU. It is just unsustainable at that pricing (at least for us), but the overall deal is too good to pass, because of the price. People usually buy knowing that they are buying this, because it is good enough for their use case, at that price point.

    I truly and honestly cannot believe that you are not aware of this when most of this community agrees on the above.

    We do not sell that. We do not sell 4 dedicated cores for $10/mo. And no, I was not pointing to the particular German provider whose thread it was, I was referring to the larger ones, one of which seems to sell NVMe disks and then limit to almost HDD speeds. I consider those far bigger "fake marketing crimes" than calling cores threads or whatever your argument is.

    We don't sell unmetered, purely because we like to clarify limits on what is acceptable, instead of doing the "FUP" thing. Isn't selling "unmetered" and then having a 5-10-20-100TB limit a far bigger marketing crime? Where are your threads about those?

  • How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @hosthatch said: Truly happy for you for that, and congrats on that.

    Thanks! Been working hard for it, but as you know hard works pays off.

    @hosthatch said: We do not sell that. We do not sell 4 dedicated cores for $10/mo. And no, I was not pointing to the particular German provider whose thread it was, I was referring to the larger ones, one of which seems to sell NVMe disks and then limit to almost HDD speeds. I consider those far bigger "fake marketing crimes" than calling cores threads or whatever your argument is.

    We don't sell unmetered, purely because we like to clarify limits on what is acceptable, instead of doing the "FUP" thing. Isn't selling "unmetered" and then having a 5-10-20-100TB limit a far bigger marketing crime? Where are your threads about those?

    Sure, that's bad as well. As soon as any provider who does that makes comments criticising your marketing (calling threads 'cores'), I'll be sure to mention it. Just let me know.

    That's where I'm coming from.

    @webcraft said: How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

    Obviously this is a question for HostHatch, but as somewhat of a creep myself it's been registered for a while (not used though from what I know).

  • lirrrlirrr Member

    @emgh sir chief :D

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    @emgh , wow, yu cto, that it s derk megik. my i m lov

    I am a creator, not a consumer.One thing I have learned in the past:There are many consumers and there are only a few creators.Many consumers will destroy the work of creators without any remorse.By Herman-Johan Xennt

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @sh97 said: @emgh , wow, yu cto, that it s derk megik. my i m lov

    ddr ignor

    dc white hous baserment

    is good regards ?

    Thanked by 1sh97
  • sh97sh97 Member, Host Rep

    @emgh said:

    @sh97 said: @emgh , wow, yu cto, that it s derk megik. my i m lov

    ddr ignor

    dc white hous baserment

    is good regards ?

    that it s good, check yu dm

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @webcraft said:
    How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

    I'm afraid I don't really have an update on this, other than saying not any time soon. The reasons we had for moving to Sweden have slowly started becoming less and less, and the complications that we add (taxes-wise, but also a lot of other stuff) is a bit too much. So it will remain a US-based company for the foreseeable future.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2024

    @hosthatch what's the correct way to install an os on a vps from the panel with a custom iso (either provided by HostHatch or user uploads it)

    2 off my vps are unable to boot, neither comes up even when mounting an iso (netboot.xyz).

    Ofcourse I will have a ticket open (but not expecting instant response) but some help will be appreciated

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @plumberg said:
    @hosthatch what's the correct way to install an os on a vps from the panel with a custom iso (either provided by HostHatch or user uploads it)

    2 off my vps are unable to boot, neither comes up even when mounting an iso (netboot.xyz).

    Ofcourse I will have a ticket open (but not expecting instant response) but some help will be appreciated

    Are both of those Sydney storage VMs? I know you have a ticket in for the Sydney storage VM, it is a complex issue and needs some time, but please know that we are working on it. You can ask for an extension once the issue is resolved.

    As for any other ones, please open a ticket and we'll look at it asap.

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @hosthatch said:

    @plumberg said:
    @hosthatch what's the correct way to install an os on a vps from the panel with a custom iso (either provided by HostHatch or user uploads it)

    2 off my vps are unable to boot, neither comes up even when mounting an iso (netboot.xyz).

    Ofcourse I will have a ticket open (but not expecting instant response) but some help will be appreciated

    Are both of those Sydney storage VMs? I know you have a ticket in for the Sydney storage VM, it is a complex issue and needs some time, but please know that we are working on it. You can ask for an extension once the issue is resolved.

    As for any other ones, please open a ticket and we'll look at it asap.

    Sydney got resolved with multiple trial and errors.

    Now I have issue with Chicago/ NY/ London storage which were migrated to the New infrastructure.

    Have the ticket open. Let's see what support has to say

  • @hosthatch said:

    @webcraft said:
    How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

    I'm afraid I don't really have an update on this, other than saying not any time soon. The reasons we had for moving to Sweden have slowly started becoming less and less, and the complications that we add (taxes-wise, but also a lot of other stuff) is a bit too much. So it will remain a US-based company for the foreseeable future.

    That's unfortunate to hear because I was looking forward to get an enforceable data processing agreement. On the other hand, this way the services remain tax free for me.

  • @emgh said:
    @hosthatch

    1. People agree with labeling threads as ’cores’ is wrong, generally. Some don’t, but most do. I’ll happily create a thread not mentioning you with a simple poll. I assure you I’m right.

    2. I never said you called it wrong to advertise threads as cores. Listen closely to this one because I’m getting tired of repeating it: To me, calling shared vCores ’dedicated’ is wrong. To me, calling threads/vCores ’cores’ is wrong too. My point is that since you’re calling out the CPU advertisting of other hosts, you should be careful to play as honest as possible yourself first. I NEVER said it was the exact same thing, you’re aruging against a strawman here. I’m saying both is wrong.

    I'm not aware of any hypervisor (hyperv, ESXi, KVM, etc) that configures threads per VM and instead all use cores. So, you're coming off as an annoying asshole and it's not even pedantry.

  • @plumberg said:
    @hosthatch what's the correct way to install an os on a vps from the panel with a custom iso (either provided by HostHatch or user uploads it)

    2 off my vps are unable to boot, neither comes up even when mounting an iso (netboot.xyz).

    Ofcourse I will have a ticket open (but not expecting instant response) but some help will be appreciated

    I had a problem with a london compute server not booting yesterday, and hosthatch fixed it within several hours of opening the ticket. Big thanks to the team at Hosthatch. :)

    Thanked by 2plumberg nick_
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited July 2024

    @TimboJones said:

    @emgh said:
    @hosthatch

    1. People agree with labeling threads as ’cores’ is wrong, generally. Some don’t, but most do. I’ll happily create a thread not mentioning you with a simple poll. I assure you I’m right.

    2. I never said you called it wrong to advertise threads as cores. Listen closely to this one because I’m getting tired of repeating it: To me, calling shared vCores ’dedicated’ is wrong. To me, calling threads/vCores ’cores’ is wrong too. My point is that since you’re calling out the CPU advertisting of other hosts, you should be careful to play as honest as possible yourself first. I NEVER said it was the exact same thing, you’re aruging against a strawman here. I’m saying both is wrong.

    I'm not aware of any hypervisor (hyperv, ESXi, KVM, etc) that configures threads per VM and instead all use cores. So, you're coming off as an annoying asshole and it's not even pedantry.

    👍

  • @MaxTakeba said:

    I could move everything production related. Gonna need a bigger VPS to do that and then I'll get dedicated cores, but again... I should make it clear, I don't really care about steal unless I'm running a Minecraft server. Then I'd care.

    And I've done exactly that. Guess I'll be making a review in about a month or two time on probably Hosthatch's quietest node (Japan)

  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    I could move everything production related. Gonna need a bigger VPS to do that and then I'll get dedicated cores, but again... I should make it clear, I don't really care about steal unless I'm running a Minecraft server. Then I'd care.

    And I've done exactly that. Guess I'll be making a review in about a month or two time on probably Hosthatch's quietest node (Japan)

    Tokyo is actually one of our top 3 sold locations, and is quite often totally sold out. The node you are on is close to 60% filled. And will be at 100% in the next few weeks.

    Looking forward to your review :)

  • @hosthatch said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    @MaxTakeba said:

    I could move everything production related. Gonna need a bigger VPS to do that and then I'll get dedicated cores, but again... I should make it clear, I don't really care about steal unless I'm running a Minecraft server. Then I'd care.

    And I've done exactly that. Guess I'll be making a review in about a month or two time on probably Hosthatch's quietest node (Japan)

    Tokyo is actually one of our top 3 sold locations, and is quite often totally sold out. The node you are on is close to 60% filled. And will be at 100% in the next few weeks.

    Looking forward to your review :)

    Well can certainly say I have seen less than 0.5 percent steal :)

    Thanked by 1hosthatch
  • bobertbobert Member

    I have asked for one my nodes at hosthatch to be restricted to dedicated cores only and can confirm this will result in practically 0% steal this way. Unfortunately the linux cpu scheduler is not smart enough to schedule stuff on the dedicated core first.

    Thanked by 1hosthatch
  • hosthatchhosthatch Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited July 2024

    @bobert said:
    I have asked for one my nodes at hosthatch to be restricted to dedicated cores only and can confirm this will result in practically 0% steal this way. Unfortunately the linux cpu scheduler is not smart enough to schedule stuff on the dedicated core first.

    I look forward to you writing a fair and honest comparison of a dedicated CPU VM from DigitalOcean/Linode/Vultr, how much it costs, and how we compare in performance. Would be even better if you could spend as much energy as you have in the past few days on trying to prove the opposite, since you did say you were trying to completely objective and impartial and only facts matter, not feelings :)

  • bobertbobert Member
    edited July 2024

    @hosthatch said: I look forward to you writing a fair and honest comparison of a dedicated CPU VM from DigitalOcean/Linode/Vultr, how much it costs, and how we compare in performance. Would be even better if you could spend as much energy as you have in the past few days on trying to prove the opposite, since you did say you were trying to completely objective and impartial and only facts matter, not feelings

    I've posted complaints here about problems with vultr as well, just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/188201/vultr-patched-to-hide-cpu-steal

    I also didn't spend much energy to prove negative things about your service, that's why I didn't save screenshots from 1 year ago showing high cpu steal at hosthatch. But I'm recording all this information now.

    Really, not everyone is here to trash to your service. Someone posting their experiences here is sometimes just an honest review, and not a scammer or competitor.

    :wink:

  • bdlbdl Member

    @plumberg said:
    Anyone able to load thr netboot.xyz iso from the panel and install any OS for the Sydney storage box?

    Whenever I am loading the same my vm fails to boot up.

    Any thoughts?

    FWIW Custom .iso's never worked for me for my Sydney storage box, I'm guessing something to do with the boot nvme partition. Ended up just installing on top of one of their OS images :(

  • plumbergplumberg Veteran, Megathread Squad

    @bdl said:

    @plumberg said:
    Anyone able to load thr netboot.xyz iso from the panel and install any OS for the Sydney storage box?

    Whenever I am loading the same my vm fails to boot up.

    Any thoughts?

    FWIW Custom .iso's never worked for me for my Sydney storage box, I'm guessing something to do with the boot nvme partition. Ended up just installing on top of one of their OS images :(

    I was able to get it working with netboot last week. It seemed their panel went nuts for sometime. Plus all operations like loading iso/ rebooting server needed to be done with patience.

    Try again, you may be surprised.

    Thanked by 1bdl
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