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rcy026

@hosthatch said:

@webcraft said:
How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

I'm afraid I don't really have an update on this, other than saying not any time soon. The reasons we had for moving to Sweden have slowly started becoming less and less, and the complications that we add (taxes-wise, but also a lot of other stuff) is a bit too much. So it will remain a US-based company for the foreseeable future.

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons that you even considered a move to Sweden?
I've ran companies in Sweden as well as other countries and I can not imagine why one would chose Sweden if given a choice, the taxes and regulations are horrible.
As a citizen I love Sweden, as a company/employer it is the worst.

hosthatch

@bdl said:

@plumberg said:
Anyone able to load thr netboot.xyz iso from the panel and install any OS for the Sydney storage box?

Whenever I am loading the same my vm fails to boot up.

Any thoughts?

FWIW Custom .iso's never worked for me for my Sydney storage box, I'm guessing something to do with the boot nvme partition. Ended up just installing on top of one of their OS images

The way ISOs work is slightly complicated - because we stream the ISO from the closest mirror. As we add more mirrors, it becomes more complicated. The end result is that it is easy to keep an updated ISO library, instead of updating 100s of nodes around the world.

If you see issues, please open a ticket and we'll check what's going on. Sydney was the latest mirror to get added, along with the snapshots.

hosthatch

@rcy026 said:

@hosthatch said:

@webcraft said:
How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

I'm afraid I don't really have an update on this, other than saying not any time soon. The reasons we had for moving to Sweden have slowly started becoming less and less, and the complications that we add (taxes-wise, but also a lot of other stuff) is a bit too much. So it will remain a US-based company for the foreseeable future.

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons that you even considered a move to Sweden?
I've ran companies in Sweden as well as other countries and I can not imagine why one would chose Sweden if given a choice, the taxes and regulations are horrible.
As a citizen I love Sweden, as a company/employer it is the worst.

I can't go into too much detail, but one of our partner's father ran the biggest construction company in a particular small town, and had a very good relationship with banks - meaning unlimited access to capital at ~1% APR.

HostHatch has grown at 10-20% over the last 11 years. Last year, it grew around 110%. This year we're on the road to grow at a similar rate as last year. The capital requirements are huge and we're often out of stock, and we do not want to bring in investors with equity, and keep it a small business with control over our decisions.

hosthatch

@bobert said: Really, not everyone is here to trash to your service. Someone posting their experiences here is sometimes just an honest review, and not a scammer or competitor.

True, and I am sorry for that. Constructive feedback should always be taken well, and I apologize if this was not done. But you can see where some of those feelings might stem from. The mods decided to keep the thread in public, I assume for some extra drama/views.

dev_vps

@hosthatch
May I ask you a question?

Do you allow moving VPS from one location to another? For example - from Chicago, IL to London, England.

hosthatch

@dev_vps said:
@hosthatch
May I ask you a question?

Do you allow moving VPS from one location to another? For example - from Chicago, IL to London, England.

Yes. For a location change, a $15 USD fee is charged for promo servers. It is free for standard services. This includes removing and recreating the server (not moving the data).

Both depend on availability.

dev_vps

@hosthatch said:

@dev_vps said:
@hosthatch
May I ask you a question?

Do you allow moving VPS from one location to another? For example - from Chicago, IL to London, England.

Yes. For a location change, a $15 USD fee is charged for promo servers. It is free for standard services. This includes removing and recreating the server (not moving the data).

Both depend on availability.

Thank you and much appreciated

Rockster

@hosthatch

It seems like your Vienna E5 NVMe went kaput yesterday.

joe99

Hi, @hosthatch , I could not reinstall the server, could you please check ticket id 613305. Thanks

emgh

@rcy026 said:

@hosthatch said:

@webcraft said:
How is the transition to a swedish company going? Will the deals in August be sold by a swedish entity? Or will it be bf?

I'm afraid I don't really have an update on this, other than saying not any time soon. The reasons we had for moving to Sweden have slowly started becoming less and less, and the complications that we add (taxes-wise, but also a lot of other stuff) is a bit too much. So it will remain a US-based company for the foreseeable future.

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons that you even considered a move to Sweden?
I've ran companies in Sweden as well as other countries and I can not imagine why one would chose Sweden if given a choice, the taxes and regulations are horrible.
As a citizen I love Sweden, as a company/employer it is the worst.

Skill issue

rcy026

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:
Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons that you even considered a move to Sweden?
I've ran companies in Sweden as well as other countries and I can not imagine why one would chose Sweden if given a choice, the taxes and regulations are horrible.
As a citizen I love Sweden, as a company/employer it is the worst.

Skill issue

So you are saying that with enough skill you do not have to pay taxes and follow the regulations?

emgh

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:
Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons that you even considered a move to Sweden?
I've ran companies in Sweden as well as other countries and I can not imagine why one would chose Sweden if given a choice, the taxes and regulations are horrible.
As a citizen I love Sweden, as a company/employer it is the worst.

Skill issue

So you are saying that with enough skill you do not have to pay taxes and follow the regulations?

Swedish corporate tax is 20.6 %, in the US, it’s 21 %

And following Swedish regulations isn’t particularely hard, depending on what you do of course

emgh

Income tax dosen’t matter, not based on where the company is registered anyway

And the KF accounts are very good tax wise to invest corporate profits in

Sweden has far from the worst corp climate. Saying that just isn’t true

rcy026

@emgh said:

Swedish corporate tax is 20.6 %, in the US, it’s 21 %

Arbetsgivaravgift is another ~30%, semesterersättning another ~10%, you cant really fire people without getting in a fight with the union and having to pay them a shitload of money for not doing their job.

And following Swedish regulations isn’t particularely hard, depending on what you do of course

I did not say it was hard, I said they were horrible. Sweden is awesome if you are sick or lazy, if you want to work hard and earn money it's not.

emgh

@rcy026 you simply have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re now talking about taxes related to income. This will depend on where HostHatch staff is living. Where the company is registered directly affects the corporate tax rate, and that’s lower in Sweden than in the US.

So, quite objectively, your point about taxes is moot.

Obviously, just as I predicted, and had responded to beforehand, you bring up income taxes, although they do not at all matter to this discussion. It’s irrelevant.

The business climate in Sweden is good. That’s it.

Mumbly

One of the company's co-owners, the tech guy (Emil), is Swedish if memory serves me correctly.

emgh

@Mumbly said:
One of the company's co-owners, the tech guy (Emil), is Swedish if memory serves me correctly.

But if the company isn’t registered in Sweden he won’t have to pay swedish income taxes1!!1!1!

And if the company is registered in Sweden, american staff might unionize but if the company is registered in the US swedish staff won’t dare to unionize!1!1!1!!

emgh

It would be funny though if staff @ HH (I guess they’re like ~10 total?) unionized & went out on a strike😆

rcy026

@emgh said:
@rcy026 you simply have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re now talking about taxes related to income. This will depend on where HostHatch staff is living. Where the company is registered directly affects the corporate tax rate, and that’s lower in Sweden than in the US.

So, quite objectively, your point about taxes is moot.

Obviously, just as I predicted, and had responded to beforehand, you bring up income taxes, although they do not at all matter to this discussion. It’s irrelevant.

The business climate in Sweden is good. That’s it.

I beg to differ. I've had businesses in Sweden, Norway, UK and Germany, and Sweden is by far the most expensive and bureaucratic of them.

And naturally, when I talk about employing people I take for granted that you employ them in the country that the company is registered in. Otherwise the discussion gets pretty irrelevant immediately. But if your claim is that Sweden has a good business climate as long as all your employees are living in other countries, sure, we can discuss that. Kind of a weird claim though.

emgh

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:
@rcy026 you simply have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re now talking about taxes related to income. This will depend on where HostHatch staff is living. Where the company is registered directly affects the corporate tax rate, and that’s lower in Sweden than in the US.

So, quite objectively, your point about taxes is moot.

Obviously, just as I predicted, and had responded to beforehand, you bring up income taxes, although they do not at all matter to this discussion. It’s irrelevant.

The business climate in Sweden is good. That’s it.

I beg to differ. I've had businesses in Sweden, Norway, UK and Germany, and Sweden is by far the most expensive and bureaucratic of them.

And naturally, when I talk about employing people I take for granted that you employ them in the country that the company is registered in. Otherwise the discussion gets pretty irrelevant immediately. But if your claim is that Sweden has a good business climate as long as all your employees are living in other countries, sure, we can discuss that. Kind of a weird claim though.

No, you’re being weird. HH obviously don’t just employ where they’re registered, and, they obviously don’t plan to kick everybody out not living in Sweden if they were to proceed with being registered in Sweden.

The question is about where to incorporate, not where to hire all of their staff.

You were wrong, your point was irrelevant, and now you’re digging yourself even deeper down into some weird reality where the objective truths just aren’t the same in your argument as they are in this reality. I give up.

emgh

Most importantly, if such a small company (in terms of staff) seriously risks the staff unionizing & striking, they’re doing something terribly wrong, and I don’t think they are

aj_potc

@emgh said:
It would be funny though if staff @ HH (I guess they’re like ~10 total?) unionized & went out on a strike😆

Unfortunately, based on the lack of progress in dealing with my issues in the last couple of months, it feels like they have gone on strike.

emgh

@aj_potc said:

@emgh said:
It would be funny though if staff @ HH (I guess they’re like ~10 total?) unionized & went out on a strike😆

Unfortunately, based on the lack of progress in dealing with my issues in the last couple of months, it feels like they have gone on strike.

😆

TimboJones

@emgh said:
You were wrong, your point was irrelevant, and now you’re digging yourself even deeper down into some weird reality where the objective truths just aren’t the same in your argument as they are in this reality. I give up.

You must be fun at parties.

emgh

@TimboJones said:

@emgh said:
You were wrong, your point was irrelevant, and now you’re digging yourself even deeper down into some weird reality where the objective truths just aren’t the same in your argument as they are in this reality. I give up.

You must be fun at parties.

👍

itsTomHarper

@hosthatch I am having trouble signing up, the state selection field is always greyed out, no matter what country I select. Tried in different browsers as well, it's all the same. From Android btw

itsTomHarper

Also regarding BGP, will you be able to announce my ip block through your ASN? I currently announce it through Vultr's ASN, they offer free BGP

JabJab

@itsTomHarper said:
@hosthatch I am having trouble signing up, the state selection field is always greyed out, no matter what country I select. Tried in different browsers as well, it's all the same. From Android btw

Probably related to
vendor.86d6996b.js:13 WebSocket connection to 'wss://peregrine.local:6002/app/HGsUXltzHrTmtMml?protocol=7&client=js&version=8.3.0&flash=false' failed:

You know @hosthatch peregrine.local seems like very public address :-P

rcy026

@emgh said:
It would be funny though if staff @ HH (I guess they’re like ~10 total?) unionized & went out on a strike😆

Are you deliberately acting stupid now? Since you are Swedish I am sure you know that the union can fuck with you even if your staff is not even members of the union. Almost every fight involving the union is instigated by the union itself, not by employees.

emgh

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:
It would be funny though if staff @ HH (I guess they’re like ~10 total?) unionized & went out on a strike😆

Are you deliberately acting stupid now? Since you are Swedish I am sure you know that the union can fuck with you even if your staff is not even members of the union. Almost every fight involving the union is instigated by the union itself, not by employees.

Yes, unions often target small hosting companies of 10 staff members with zero union members in them. This is common and a cause for concern.

If HostHatch is registered in the US, but hire staff in Sweden still, this cannot occur thankfully.

Please keep sharing your wisdom. I’m learning almost too much.