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IPv6VM.com - Cheap IPv6-only VPS - Starting from €1/mo

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  • @jenkki said:

    @c1vhosting said: VAT is applied to all individuals. Website is true.

    Ah, yeah, but you cannot legally charge EU taxes from non EU citizens.

    And advertise price exclude taxes if they included anyway.

    Actually he needs too, welcome globalism or get your guns ready

    Thanked by 1c1vhosting
  • @WhiteRoseG said: Actually he needs too, welcome globalism or get your guns ready

    That's how they collect taxes from their colonies. Why join physically when you can collect money in an unobtrusive manner. :wink:

  • @jenkki said:

    @c1vhosting said: Prices are written VAT included on the IPv6VM website!

    Where? The customer only sees it when filling out the registration and purchase forms. Take a look at your screenshot above. Where do the prices there include VAT?

    Those prices are already including VAT…. I don’t understand what are you trying to say.

    Neither in the title or in the description here is there any additional information about the additional cost for everyone

  • @c1vhosting said: Those prices are already including VAT…. I don’t understand what are you trying to say.

    Yeah, Magic now

    TAXES</

  • JabJabJabJab Member
    edited February 2024

    My dude, you drunk, stop clicking random links that are outside of the offer in this post.

    also because somethings show taxes in summary it does not mean they are not 'include' in the price on previous page, it's not that hard to figure it out that when first page shows 1€ per IPv6 server and summary shows 1€ in total (aka Monthly: €0,82 EUR, Tax @ 22.00%:€0,18 EUR0) that it works out: 1€=1€.

    Thanked by 1c1vhosting
  • @jenkki said:

    @c1vhosting said: Those prices are already including VAT…. I don’t understand what are you trying to say.

    Yeah, Magic now

    TAXES</

    This is not related to IPv6VM.com offers. Thank you.

  • @JabJab said:
    My dude, you drunk, stop clicking random links that are outside of the offer in this post.

    Yeah hahahaha

  • @c1vhosting said: This is not related to IPv6VM.com offers.

    It's also part of your site and your offerings. I wanted to buy

  • @jenkki said:

    @c1vhosting said: This is not related to IPv6VM.com offers.

    It's also part of your site and your offerings. I wanted to buy

    Take them as they are.

  • @JabJab said: Monthly: €0,82 EUR, Tax @ 22.00%:€0,18 EUR0) that it works out: 1€=1€.

    Yeah, that's the part I was wrong about. I agree.

    Thanked by 2Maounique _MS_
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2024

    @jenkki said: Where? The customer only sees it when filling out the registration and purchase forms. Take a look at your screenshot above. Where do the prices there include VAT?

    Neither in the title or in the description here is there any additional information about the additional cost for everyone

    The VAT is included in the price. Nobody pays more than 1 Eur. I pay 0.82 because I registered with company account.
    From my side, it looks fine.
    EDIT: Apart from the CD-ROM thinggie. I can't use your template for debian, I need to install normally from ISO.
    EDIT2: Also, while I am a deb fan, only Debian and Ubuntu templates?

    Thanked by 1c1vhosting
  • @Maounique said: Nobody pays more than 1 Eur. I pay 0.82 because I registered with company account.

    I was wrong that the price in the title and description is lower than the price with VAT. But the fact that everyone still pays VAT in any form on this site is true. I don't know all your fancy stuff but that's not how it works.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2024

    @jenkki said: But the fact that everyone still pays VAT in any form on this site is true.

    I've seen worse.
    For example, on OVH KS site I am VAT exempt. On the regular .ie site I am not. Gave them everything they wanted, they insist to translate the incorporation papers, I won't be doing that because I have the KS for now, i simply gave up buying anything on the other site, my hope is that the KS accounts would be moved some day and I would keep my VAT exempted status.

    Also, on aruba I had to pay VAT no matter what. Same on online.net. They wouldn't budge so I ended up cancelling. I have a valid EU company with a valid VAT number, I pay my taxes every month.

  • @Maounique said: I've seen worse.

    In general legally no one can take taxes from another country if the buyer is in another country.
    You can only tax your own citizens in your own country. You can't sell on the international market while taking taxes intended for sale within your own country. That's illegal. Those who do it are violating global rules.
    If you want to charge tax you can only sell to citizens of your own country with limiting international buyers
    That's the question of the day.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2024

    @jenkki said: That's illegal.

    No, it is not. There are, for example, tariffs for exporting certain kinds of stuff. I don't mean the IMPORT ones, the export tariffs are a thing.
    There are many other instances where the sales taxes apply to exports. In the EU it is even more complicated.

    For digital goods, though, since there is no way of knowing in the country of the customer, the sales tax can be collected at the source.

    However, in general, yes, you don't have to pay sales tax in another country, you are correct. This is an abuse of the digital goods clause, it goes farther than the law and says "since we don't know whether you are truly in another jurisdiction or not, then we charge you anyway".
    Hosts which applied (to me) arbitrary decisions lost me as a customer. I suggest you do the same, vote with your feet if you think you have been wronged and take your business elsewhere.
    I think it is the best thing to do when you don't have the money and/or the time to hire lawyers in that country and take the case to court or make a formal complaint to the authorities.

    Thanked by 1Pixels
  • @Maounique said: This is an abuse of the digital goods clause, it goes farther than the law and says "since we don't know whether you are truly in another jurisdiction, then we charge you anyway".

    Well, you can justify anything. Like you are a known crook and do not want to pay taxes, and now everyone will pay taxes because they are also potential crooks who want to cheat the state without paying tax. The logic is certainly interesting, but not for the pockets of those who live in other countries and do not understand why they should pay taxes in another country.

    Over the last centuries, how many wars were fought because of not paying taxes to another country as a colony. How many people have suffered. It was taken seriously back then. Now nobody gives a shit. But apparently not everybody does.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @jenkki said: Well, you can justify anything.

    That is not a valid justification, it sounds more like "we don't want trouble with the taxman so you have to pay for our peace of mind". I don't try to justify it, far from me that thought, I am on both sides of the fence, I can see it from the provider and customer point of view and I KNOW it can be done correctly.

    That being said, as noted, you don't have to buy and I certainly passed even very good deals because of issues with VAT. It was wrong and I just said no.

    Thanked by 1alciregi
  • @Maounique said: I can see it from the provider and customer point of view and I KNOW it can be done correctly.

    Very many providers in Europe remove VAT from the invoice if you specify a non-EU country. Why do they believe those who specify it? There is a special option in WHMS for this purpose - Exclude tax - with a list of countries where you enter the country and city and when you click Next, the tax disappears. Why do many others do it without any problems? Are they not afraid of being cheated or what?
    And those who say that I take and will take from everyone in my opinion are dishonest people who just want to get more money from everyone for the same thing. It's not about money, it's about principle.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @jenkki said: And those who say that I take and will take from everyone in my opinion are dishonest people who just want to get more money from everyone for the same thing.

    You are wrong there.
    The host, even if it takes VAT from you when they shouldn't, that doesn't mean they pocket the money, that money goes to the government of their jurisdiction like you would have resided in there.
    I don't say it is okay, just correcting the wrong impression that they are pocketing the money themselves.

  • @Maounique said: The host, even if it takes VAT from you when they shouldn't, that doesn't mean they pocket the money, that money goes to the government of their jurisdiction like you would have resided in there.

    Show me the document. We all know how it's done and how it can be circumvented if desired.

  • The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    Thanked by 1c1vhosting
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @listerine90 said:
    The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    1. Yes, it's in the same basement.
    2. There's no guarantee. If you chargeback, your account goes to collections.
    3. There's no compensation. If you complain, provider sends DDoS to you.
  • @listerine90 said:
    The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    1. Yes, it is. We are looking to get IPv6VM on standalone servers (always in our infra, but not related to the current c1v hosting vps nodes) to make sure it’s handled separately.
    2. Uptime is not highly guaranteed, it’s certainly a lowcost only solutions right now. There are some service levels in our contract conditions.
    3. It depends on the downtime. At C1V hosting for some hours downtime we gave out 1 month of compensation.
    Thanked by 1Maounique
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @jenkki said: Show me the document. We all know how it's done and how it can be circumvented if desired.

    Then this applies to every host. You have no idea whether they are actually sending the money to the taxman or not.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2024

    @c1vhosting said:

    @listerine90 said:
    The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    1. Yes, it is. We are looking to get IPv6VM on standalone servers (always in our infra, but not related to the current c1v hosting vps nodes) to make sure it’s handled separately.
    2. Uptime is not highly guaranteed, it’s certainly a lowcost only solutions right now. There are some service levels in our contract conditions.
    3. It depends on the downtime. At C1V hosting for some hours downtime we gave out 1 month of compensation.

    My perfect kind of product. IPv6 only, and I trade price for reliability, my mesh is self-healing.

    However, your templates are not fit for my purpose and the ISO mounting is not working.
    Is there an ETA for a normal Debian (not cloud) image and/or the ability to install from ISOs?

    I need an estimate because, in extremis, I could, of course, "doctor" the image you have, but I would prefer not to waste time on it.

  • @jenkki said:

    @c1vhosting said: VAT is applied to all individuals. Website is true.

    Ah, yeah, but you cannot legally charge EU taxes from non EU citizens.

    And advertise price exclude taxes if they included anyway.

    I suggest you talk to a CPA who deals in international texation.

    non-EU residents can be charged EU VAT (Value Added Tax) under certain circumstances, such as when they purchase goods or services from EU-based businesses. The specific rules can vary based on the type of transaction and the relevant VAT regulations.

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  • @Maounique said:

    @c1vhosting said:

    @listerine90 said:
    The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    1. Yes, it is. We are looking to get IPv6VM on standalone servers (always in our infra, but not related to the current c1v hosting vps nodes) to make sure it’s handled separately.
    2. Uptime is not highly guaranteed, it’s certainly a lowcost only solutions right now. There are some service levels in our contract conditions.
    3. It depends on the downtime. At C1V hosting for some hours downtime we gave out 1 month of compensation.

    My perfect kind of product. IPv6 only, and I trade price for reliability, my mesh is self-healing.

    However, your templates are not fit for my purpose and the ISO mounting is not working.
    Is there an ETA for a normal Debian (not cloud) image and/or the ability to install from ISOs?

    I need an estimate because, in extremis, I could, of course, "doctor" the image you have, but I would prefer not to waste time on it.

    You can use your ISO

  • @Maounique said: and the ISO mounting is not working.

    @c1vhosting said: You can use your ISO

    Confused. Did you mean to say "Fixed the ISO usage" or something like that?

  • @dev_vps said: non-EU residents can be charged EU VAT (Value Added Tax) under certain circumstances, such as when they purchase goods or services from EU-based businesses.

    You can make up whatever rules you want on paper for yourself. It's about the honor and dignity of a particular person. Many providers don't charge tax if you specify a country outside the EU when registering. So they do it for other reasons.

    Thanked by 1xms
  • @Maounique said:

    @c1vhosting said:

    @listerine90 said:
    The prices are competitive but the reliability is questionable regarding my previous experiences with this provider so here are my questions:

    1. Does this new brand IPv6VM run in the same infrastructure as your previous brand?
      and
    2. How can you guarantee uptime?
    3. How will you compensate customers in an event of an extended downtime? (e.g. >8 hours downtime)
    1. Yes, it is. We are looking to get IPv6VM on standalone servers (always in our infra, but not related to the current c1v hosting vps nodes) to make sure it’s handled separately.
    2. Uptime is not highly guaranteed, it’s certainly a lowcost only solutions right now. There are some service levels in our contract conditions.
    3. It depends on the downtime. At C1V hosting for some hours downtime we gave out 1 month of compensation.

    My perfect kind of product. IPv6 only, and I trade price for reliability, my mesh is self-healing.

    However, your templates are not fit for my purpose and the ISO mounting is not working.
    Is there an ETA for a normal Debian (not cloud) image and/or the ability to install from ISOs?

    I need an estimate because, in extremis, I could, of course, "doctor" the image you have, but I would prefer not to waste time on it.

    DM with the needed ISO

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