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Is this not a good thing? I only use a few providers and have never been burned. It's not hard to find quality providers here, just weed out all the new hosts and all the too good to be true hosts.
How much more do you pay compared to the bottom of the barrel providers, using your approach?
Not that much more actually! I have promo plans from Hosthatch which are extremely competitive with the average LET shithost, several very small yearly VMs from Virmach that either make up multi region clusters or failover machines (if one of my prod machines goes down, routes to my little Virmach vm until the prod machine is back up). I haven't found anything that beats my Hetzner deal (120 euro per month for a sx133). I have a $220/year dedi from Terrahost, and 2 of the $99/year e3 systems from ColoCrossing, one in LA and one in NYC. All reputable companies that aren't super likely to not exist by the time the next billing cycle comes around.
Yes, yes.. but tell us, do the local single ladies like Shared, Dedicated or Bare Metal. Inquiring minds want to know.
can confirm, metal all the way
This is unbelievable, anyone closing or shutting down abruptly is technically a criminal as he cheated his customers and their trust. Would have been nice if had given people time to move out.
No it doesn't, what does the Terms of Service state?
https://web.archive.org/web/20231224064546/https://www.limewave.net/terms.html
"18) Termination of Agreement/Services:
Limewave Communications reserves the right to terminate any account without notice, reason and/or refund. Upon termination, all data will be removed from our network. If your account was disabled for violating this agreement, you will not have access or the ability to recover your files/data."
What does that mean? It means the company has the ability to lawfully execute section 18, terminate service and you are not entitled to any refund. If you choose to pursue a refund after the fact, it means you are in breach of contract (not the company) and are now liable for all damages as a result i.e. the chargeback fees etc.
This is what you, legally, agreed to.
Just because Visa gives you your money back, doesn't mean Visa has the ability to remove your liability with the contracts you breach.
I tried sympathising with you earlier, hoping you were just typing everything with a certain level of frustration over everything going on. Who knows, maybe you'd still have noticed whatever you're doing afterwards.
But one thing is clear now: You're not one who truly cares about their customers if you're just pulling this stunt of not giving a damn after shutting everything down WITHOUT NOTICE, NO WARNING WHATSOEVER, AFTER SELLING SERVICES A MONTH PRIOR DECIDING TO DISAPPEAR, yet expect to keep the money over a service you never provided as described, AND shifting the blame to YOUR OWN CUSTOMERS WHO PLACED THEIR TRUST ON YOU.
Sure, your ToS describes how you can fuck off and pretend nothing happened, and let's pretend that'll actually work. But if you think it's the morally correct action to do, then you shouldn't be doing business.
As much as you want to call that everyone and their dog used your VPSes for Netflix unblock, VPN, blah blah blah; sure, we have to deal with MJJs here, but you know, maybe it's not all of them? Yet you don't give an actual fuck and couldn't bother to at least tell everyone you were closing doors and ghosting everyone for a while?
Selling the company, or even just your VPS offerings, would even have been a good idea. Or just disappearing from LET and doing marketing to a different audience. But you shot yourself in the foot for a very sad reason yet you think everyone's in the wrong but you, as much as business might have not gone as expected.
If you think you're right, you're delusional, with all due respect. At least, I'm glad you're being a living example as of why LET needs to learn to do off-site backups and not place all trust on your provider. (And for those providers I'm using and are doing a better job than this: Thank you for actually caring about your customers.)
Sincerely, a former customer of yours.
Which will be dealt with according to the jurisdiction your consumer resides in and i have a feeling not each of those will agree with your TOS. Some might even see the short timeframe between sales and shutdown as hinting towards ill intent, who knows? I have no horse in this race but i very much hope the smug attitude will come back to haunt you.
Which is your "protection" against the exit scam you pulled?
That doesn't mean that "Section 18" is lawful though. Consumer protection laws will bite you hard if you try.
Courts frequently find that companies' ToS are not enforceable because they violate the law.
And when our accounts were not terminated for violating the agreement?
You broke the contract/agreement by not providing a year of service, as agreed, with zero notice, for no reason other than you wanted to.
So yes, please try it.
I strongly suggest you talk to a lawyer about your ToS, what you have done, and what you have said your plans are, to get their opinion on it.. BC has or used to have (from memory, I haven't lived in BC for a while now) a $50 program to talk to a lawyer about any issue for half an hour..
Yup, Hosthatch is the only LET host I use.
I don't trust them, but that's because I don't trust anyone and neither should anyone else. You should always have a Plan B.
But I deem the risk of them going down small enough that it's worth migrating should it occur.
I wouldn't deem it worth it with "come-and-go"-providers.
Edit: I use BuyVM too, but that's for personal use. I usually don't even think of personal use as I'd be the only one affected if something were to occur. Not that I think BuyVM is going anywhere, been happy with them as well.
I just thought it was quite hilarious when @Kris came in here swinging his purse, threatening his legal tag-team on @Dvo
Sorry, I have to side with the villain here, not with the Karen.
Looks like I have some reading to do..
I see lawyers being mentioned, I see mental illness being mentioned, and I see Kentucky being mentioned.
I also see @Dvo getting into it so much that it warranted a change of signature.
I wonder which side I'll pick, if any!
You have some really bad reading comprehension.
The lawyers get written to if little shit for brains @Dvo tries anything with credit scores. A chargeback can be done on a website with proof. This thread was even included.
As previously mentioned in this thread, the chargeback is done.
Oh, and I won the dispute.
Again to make it clear to shit for brains @boot, one does not need to call a lawyer for a chargeback. To tell a scammy company to cease and desist is another matter.
Please contact your carer if you need to explained.
Same to @Dvo if you need it explained why no, no one is gonna take on your bogus debt, and that it's done by making a fraction of the money recovered.
PS: Smile for the CC companies!
I'm not picking sides either, but when I saw @Dvo signature.. well my sides!! 😂
Cool guy. Side with the scammer who ran off with people's money.
If you aren't Dvo's alt, you're just sad.
Cute signature, but if you want my comeback, you'll have to scrape it off the edge of @boot's mom's mouth.
Exactly. Be it Hetzner, OVH or AWS - everything can go down. Noone has ever been fired for using those though
There's a couple good guys around here, even if it might be somewhat telling that it seems to be usually those who don't advertise a whole lot. I'm always kind of torn in regards to recommending what i use as on one hand i very much wish for them to grow their business but on the other hand i really don't fancy having a ton of shady cheapskates as neighbors. My personal favorite (as far as smaller operations go) is luckily a bit above the bottom of the barrel pricing that would make it attractive. It's already annoying enough that Google regularly classifies one of my VPN exits as China...
I WORKED (CONSULTED) FOR A LAW FIRM TOO CAN I GET IN ON THIS MEASUREMENTS OF DICKS AS WELL OR HAS THE MOMENT PASSED
You're really going off the rails for a $15 chargeback.
Seek help.
Moment hasn't passed, Donny boy is still here and veteran status, to give you an idea of how much that tag's worth.
He thinks that due to some daft ToS on a website (that's now down) he's able to get out of a 1 year contract to those he scammed 1 month in. Further, he thinks legally since he slipped that in there, they are contractually obligated to take it up the arse without getting their money back, and slapped some half-baked legalese to back it up.
So in his mind, after aggressively pushing yearly packages in December, he's allowed to disappear in January. Since you signed 1 year of a package that has a clause where they 'can cease operations' at any time' if you dare charge back, he will seek hundreds against you!
Doesn't pass the sniff test, but maybe I'm wrong.
"Signatures longer than most of your posts that fill significant portions of our screens. It should not be more than two lines, nor should it be distracting."
Fix that, then read the rules.
So you can dish it, but can't take it. Weird, your mom does, like a champ.
Got it, happy now - bitch boy?
Am I the new one here or you? Thanks for the drama, you queen.
You're welcome bitchboi.
You aren't new here, you're just running on an alt account.
Half your post history alludes to sisters and the whole hostsolutions.ro joke.
You finished seething like a 12 year old yet?
Just imagine if you put as much effort into keeping your business afloat as you've spent making excuses about not paying out refunds...
A universally known principle of law is a termination of contract should not be of the benefit or loss of either party in comparison to the stance they were in before entering the contract. Not a lot of contracts are able to "waive" a principle of law, if they do they're exceptions to that principle and this isn't one of them.
Customer rights in canada are not easily waivable and
I don't see this being a case where force majure is applicable or anything else which could just wipe the party's right to his end of the contract.
You could also say there's a breach of contract in failure to provide the service for the designated time.
If anything the customers are entitled to damages.
Also, in BC Canada the under the first part of the BUSINESS PRACTICES AND CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT [SBC 2004] CHAPTER 2, its 3rd Section you may find that:
"Any waiver or release by a person of the person's rights, benefits or protections under this Act is void except to the extent that the waiver or release is expressly permitted by this Act."
There's no permission in this act which permits a waiver of outstanding debt.
And good evening to you too sir.
We refunded all transactions received within 60 days as seen on https://kubbur.com/ and took no annual prepayments.
Thanks. (My name is Leifur not Kjartan)