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VPS Providers that have IPv6 by default?

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @gzz said:

    @rm_ said:

    @Maounique said: Depends what default means.
    For example, every KVM with Prometeus has a /64 allocated but not configured by default, there is a script to find out the settings and you can configure it if needed, there is no need for a ticket.

    Nearly nobody gets what the OP is asking and it is exactly this distinction -- if you install from a default template, does the booted VM have IPv6 with no further setup? In your case the answer is "no you do not".

    And I would disagree that "most" providers would have a "yes" in this question either.

    Further somewhat related, one might ask, how many providers set up IPv6 on the LG, and not just have "some IPv6" listed on the LG webpage (and fuck off), but have an actual AAAA record on the hostname that you access the LG with (so that one could simply mtr or ping -6 lg.location.provider.com).

    Next, craziest things, how about AAAA records on the provider website, billing and control panels? Nope, nobody actually cares, even those who "provide" IPv6 and are "all for it", in words only.

    Thanks -- you get what I was asking for perfectly. Was looking for a host that has it setup off the get-go, without any tickets // scripts // configuration.

    I decided to go with @MannDude's service in the Netherlands, worked fine and didn't require any setup on my behalf B)

    Good choice and good luck :)

    Let us know how it goes.

  • Interesting thread. I didn't do a great job with IPv6 in SolusVM, but I've taken a different approach in VirtFusion.

    If the provider offers IPv6, a subnet can be claimed by the customer when a VM is built, rebuilt, or if they require it later on.

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @rm_ said: if you install from a default template, does the booted VM have IPv6 with no further setup?

    I believe the question was about if there is IPv6 without ticket and the provisioning email contains the necessary data to find out about the /64 in KVM. In most VMs (not KVM) there is by default without script too, even some KVMs have it, albeit only limited (2-4 pcs which also have self-rDNS) for the full /64 need to use a script to find it out and configure the IPv6 /64, even as the default installation does get IPv6 in most cases, albeit not the /64. A separate configuration is needed to access it as we believe /128 would not cut it except in some situations, most people would like to use /64 and those would know what they are doing and can follow simple instructions to add it.

  • @dane_doherty said:

    @rcy026 said: One big advantage is that most of the internet noise from all the idiots disappear when you remove IP4 since most of them have not figured out how to use IPv6 yet.

    I can do that just by forcing TLS 1.3 and HTTP/2. As an added bonus I won't lose half of residential users.

    HTTP/2 is a game changer in that regard because writing even a simple Python scraper becomes messy and has a learning curve that most people are too dumb for.

    Sure, but not every service runs on HTTP.

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  • IPv6 sucks .

  • @gzz said:
    I want a provider that has it by default.

    I do not offer IPv6.

    @MannDude said:
    I can't imagine a reason to NOT include it by default.

    Simplest reason: I have no IPv6. I am not even a provider.

    @MannDude said:
    BuyVM, Nexusbytes, LevelOneServers, Nexril, Vultr, etc are all providers I use for things like DNS, website mirrors, etc. All have it by default.

    I am not a partner of these providers. Their IPv6 is not by me.

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  • henixhenix Member

    i personally don't like or use ipv6 and just disable it.
    v6 is overestimated

  • @henix said:
    i personally don't like or use ipv6 and just disable it.
    v6 is overestimated

    If you were informed and had a technical opinion, it might be worth discussing. But if you don't understand it (why and how) in the first place, why the fuck would we bother?

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  • VitalyVitaly Member, Host Rep

    Hello
    https://lg.justhost.ru/ you may check our VPSs
    Furthermore, you may order cheap VPS with ipv6 only

  • I have used those two providers and they provide IPv6 by default in their VPS
    https://incognet.io/kvm-vps
    https://alexhost.com/vps/
    https://buyvm.net/

  • szymonpszymonp Member
    edited April 2022

    Scaleway does they even give you a discount if you opt out of ipv4 for ipv6-only

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  • @dane_doherty said:
    First thing I do on every system is disable IPv6. Any reason to keep it on, to be honest?

    It's time for you to quit IT industry, it is just not for you. I can't believe people still would not adopt IPv6 in 2022

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  • @jbiloh said:
    Are there any providers right now that offer VPS services with IPv6 only?

    HyperExpert offers IPv6 only VPS for $0.99

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited April 2022

    @dane_doherty said:
    First thing I do on every system is disable IPv6. Any reason to keep it on, to be honest?

    That's like saying "First thing I do on every PC is downgrade it to Windows XP. Any reason to keep Windows 10 or 11, to be honest?" Why use a mobile phone when you can just make aoo your calls from an old landline rotary phone?

    Sticking with old technology holds everything back, and at some point you'll need to adapt.

    Also, things are going to be slower with IPv6 disabled.

    On a home network, using IPv6 avoids having to use NAT, which makes things a bit faster since the router has less work to do. NAT was always a hack so it's good to get rid of it. You also don't need a DHCP server as systems can use stateless autoconfiguration to automatically configure their own IPv6 address.

    On the server-side... A lot of phone networks in the USA and other countries are IPv6-only. To connect to legacy IPv4 servers, they have to be routed through a bridge of some sort, that can convert IPv6 to IPv4. That also slows down things a bit. Most popular internet services support IPv6 so they're all fine, it's just the legacy IPv4-only servers where this is a thing.

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  • @Daniel15 so the "advantages" of IPv6 are basically:

    • you expose every host on your local network to the internet by default
    • you expose your unique and permanent MAC address to any server on the internet by default
  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited April 2022

    @dane_doherty said:
    you expose every host on your local network to the internet by default

    Nope - That's why your router has a firewall (and your computers probably have firewalls too). NAT was never a security feature.

    @dane_doherty said: you expose your unique and permanent MAC address to any server on the internet by default

    Nope.

    Any modern client system (Windows 10/11, Linux, MacOS) has privacy extensions (RFC4941) enabled by default, where the IPv6 address is mostly random rather than being based on MAC. It's also periodically rotated - by default this is every 24 hours, so every day you'll have a new IP for that device.

    The randomization is really not an issue since you can generally access systems on the same network by using that system's name followed by .local. I have a Raspberry Pi called pi01 on my network, but I don't need to remember its IPv6 address, I can just go to http://pi01.local/. I think that's part of mDNS/zeroconf but tbh I'm not entirely sure.

    In terms of the actual MAC address itself, servers don't see that. When your computer (or phone, whatever) wants to send a packet to the internet, it sends it to the gateway - your router. It knows your router's MAC address thanks to ARP, which is a protocol that's used to determine the data link layer address (layer 2, MAC) for a given network layer address (layer 3, IP).

    When the router receives that frame, it completely rewrites it, using its MAC address as the source, the next hop's MAC address as the destination, and the same inner contents (same IP packet). This continues for all routers.

    This means that each router only knows the MAC address of the previous router.

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  • @dane_doherty said:
    @Daniel15 so the "advantages" of IPv6 are basically:

    • you expose every host on your local network to the internet by default

    Firewalls still exist and are not negated as a result. It'll also be better than everyone using uPnP to setup routes to those same services.

    • you expose your unique and permanent MAC address to any server on the internet by default

    That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

  • miaumiau Member

    @TimboJones said:

    @dane_doherty said:
    @Daniel15 so the "advantages" of IPv6 are basically:

    • you expose every host on your local network to the internet by default

    Firewalls still exist and are not negated as a result. It'll also be better than everyone using uPnP to setup routes to those same services.

    • you expose your unique and permanent MAC address to any server on the internet by default

    That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

    Ah. The classic "I don't understand how ipv6 work, and its a hard subject to learn, so I would pretend ipv6 is bad and decided not to use it"

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  • ralfralf Member

    @Daniel15 said:
    Any modern client system (Windows 10/11, Linux, MacOS) has privacy extensions (RFC4941) enabled by default, where the IPv6 address is mostly random rather than being based on MAC. It's also periodically rotated - by default this is every 24 hours, so every day you'll have a new IP for that device.

    Ooooh. I thought this was just MacOS being crap in that it keeps getting a new IPv6 address, which is a real PITA for me. My Windows machines and rPi keep the same one, and so it's a simple open the right port on the firewall and all is good.

    For more info: I have ssh open on the rPi so that periodically I can turn it on and borg backup to it in addition to the other backups I have on my servers. The windows machines (and hopefully Mac, if it didn't keep changing) all listen on 8080 which is forwarded from haproxy on a server to whichever IPv6 address happens to be listening at the time. So, it's quite nice for iterative development on a REST server, when I want to connect to it from a phone and I might be using any random machine for development at the time.

  • @ralf said:

    @Daniel15 said:
    Any modern client system (Windows 10/11, Linux, MacOS) has privacy extensions (RFC4941) enabled by default, where the IPv6 address is mostly random rather than being based on MAC. It's also periodically rotated - by default this is every 24 hours, so every day you'll have a new IP for that device.

    Ooooh. I thought this was just MacOS being crap in that it keeps getting a new IPv6 address, which is a real PITA for me. My Windows machines and rPi keep the same one, and so it's a simple open the right port on the firewall and all is good.

    For more info: I have ssh open on the rPi so that periodically I can turn it on and borg backup to it in addition to the other backups I have on my servers. The windows machines (and hopefully Mac, if it didn't keep changing) all listen on 8080 which is forwarded from haproxy on a server to whichever IPv6 address happens to be listening at the time. So, it's quite nice for iterative development on a REST server, when I want to connect to it from a phone and I might be using any random machine for development at the time.

    Use hostname. Your welcome.

  • ralfralf Member
    edited May 2022

    @TimboJones said:
    Use hostname. Your welcome.

    Actually, that's only useful inside the network. I'm talking about exposing a port through the router (and also the router requires you to do that by specific IPv6 address, not by name).

    Although, I did just check and if you go to Settings/Network/Advanced/TCP-IP you can set a manual IPv6 address, so I've just tried and I guess I'll find out in a few days whether that survives a reboot or not.

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran

    @ralf said: I'm talking about exposing a port through the router (and also the router requires you to do that by specific IPv6 address, not by name).

    Does your router let you disable its firewall just for particular devices? It'd be more flexible to run a firewall on your client system.

  • zedzed Member

    flurry of recent providers providing a single ip6 address, or annoying subnets (/112 etc), what's up with that?

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  • ralfralf Member
    edited May 2022

    If I was being uncharitable, I'd say every /16 taken away is another layer of reseller on what is probably a crowded server rented from someone else anyway.

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  • @zed said:
    flurry of recent providers providing a single ip6 address, or annoying subnets (/112 etc), what's up with that?

    A lot of "providers" are just reselling dedicated servers from actual hosting companies, and most of those will only give a /64 so they have to get creative.

  • zedzed Member

    @LiliLabs said:

    @zed said:
    flurry of recent providers providing a single ip6 address, or annoying subnets (/112 etc), what's up with that?

    A lot of "providers" are just reselling dedicated servers from actual hosting companies, and most of those will only give a /64 so they have to get creative.

    ah hadn't thought of that. i just noticed another one giving 10 ip6, how do you use a "provider" that doesn't know basics like /64 minimum?

    honest if you can't "provide" a /64 i'd rather you didn't mention ip6 at all and i'll just tunnel.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @zed said:
    flurry of recent providers providing a single ip6 address, or annoying subnets (/112 etc), what's up with that?

    There needs to be a single IPv6 and annoying subnets hall of guilt.

    I have Docker on many servers.
    I prefer to assign /112 to each Docker subnet that is used by a group of applications.
    /96 is the smallest non-annoying subnet for me.

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  • ralfralf Member

    @yoursunny said:

    @zed said:
    flurry of recent providers providing a single ip6 address, or annoying subnets (/112 etc), what's up with that?

    There needs to be a single IPv6 and annoying subnets hall of guilt.

    Where does KS sit on that? They give you a /64 and it "works", they just tell you that you're not supposed to use more than *::1

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