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I know what you mean by adaptation. I do Singlish with Singaporeans, native English with those from Anglo-Saxon sphere (mostly Queen's English but I can do American English too) and native Mandarin for the PRCs. When I speak to those from the Anglo-Saxon sphere, they are surprised by my proficiency in English, and when I speak to mainland Chinese, they are surprised by my proficiency in Mandarin. I guess Chinese Singaporeans have a reputation for being half-baked in either language.
Thanks for this. Without the mainland Chinese folks telling us the actual issues they face, we have no way of knowing why, so we default to the assumption that using VPN is to hide malicious intent when it actually isn't. Providers will have to decide how to deal with this, though.
There are also many Mainland Chinese don’t act like you said, they just don’t speak too much. Smartest Taiwanese people never talk politic with Mainland Chinese, they just earn money form them. Who cares politics, it’s none of your/our daily life.
Eh cheaper lah! VPS cheaper lah!
It seems so like someone using our services for like 2 months then order for yearly one and after like a month open disputes because he don’t got special prices!
Bery cheap already lah, bro.
Your English is excellent, you could easily pass as an AS English speaker. In fact, most people who live in English-speaking countries like UK, US, Canada, Australia aren't as proficient as you, myself included lol
Good luck for you all~
Sadly, Hostloc, the so called biggest hosting community in China is merely a shit hole where people disscuss how to abuse free credits open meaningless thread with click bait titles, ask silly questions before thinking, buy insanely cheap VPS from a unknown seller and get scammed. That covers 80% of the topics people talk about on that forum.
My colleages have already abandond that place, while I still enjoy the dramas there. People there openly buy and sell AWS, GCP, Azure accounts and Digital Ocean discount codes in batches without getting banned. Back in the days crypto mining was still a thing, there was even a guy who bought loads of Vultr accounts with $50 free credit, spined up as many as bare metal servers to mine crypto coins. Some people got jealous, accusing him abusing the promotion, but later to be caught they were also mining on those promo servers, and even bragged about it on their blogs.
Some people came here argued that, Chinese people open PayPal dispute because of language barriers and cultural differences, but it's really not about cultures and languages. I can't see why any educated people who have a decent job would charge back on a cheap VPS, just because he doesn’t get discounted prices. I'd say it's just toxic people doing crappy stuff, and there are many of those people on that forum, bitching about everything everyday.
If you want to read some intensive dramas while waiting for the bus, Hostloc is definetly the right place to go. If you want to promote your bussiness there, you have to find a way to filter out those shit customers, or you will get your ass kicked soon or later. We didn't manage to do that and we got our ass kicked.
@Kiwi83 well said. And I tend to agree alot with your breakdown of the forum contents. Although some of that applies to LET too.
Sounding more like the Chinese version of LET haha
True this what is about i almost got 0 disputes from anywhere els expect Chinese it doesn’t matter how legal they are mostly they are just disputes whatever they can. Sadly i had to double even triple thinking and more checking before accepting any orders to cut the losses money and time.
And this happens to me too as Vultr but i’m just add product for testing and hide it from the cart they keep abuse and just someone got the link and add topic about it look here
https://www.hostloc.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=612209&highlight=Letbox&mobile=2
Regarding
You are supposed to use
www.recaptcha.net, not.com.@key900
That link was probably found by some affiliate marketers.
There was a similar case this Black Friday. An affiliate marketer posted a link of CloudCone $10/yr VPS on the forum, which was never officially published, probably just a test link. What he was trying to do was to trick people into clicking his affiliate link, hoping some of them would eventually buy something else from CloudCone. It worked pretty well. There were actually many threads talking about this mysterious $10/yr VPS.
Talking about affiliate marketers' shady practice, I also saw an affiliate marketer active on that forum deliberately spread rumors about Hosthatch in a chat group, trying to damage their reputation. He did this just because Hosthatch didn't have an affiliate program that he can make real money out of it. He tried his best to promote the providers he could make money from, while damaging other providers' reputation where he didn't get paid.
That's basically how some crappy affiliate marketers doing bussiness there.
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1643817934742808196
Following the report, there are less than 10% people in China are higher educated, less than 30% people have a decent job. So people 'higher educated who have a decent job' means smaller scale. I saw so many people in Beijing and Shanghai (Richest cities in China), struggle for their daily meal. Chinese are not as rich as you think, it is easy to explain why we take petty advantages. Only richest people go abroad and buy luxury products, there seems to be many rich Chinese because the population base is very large.
PS. Most people on LOC agree with what you said. But it's of no damn use
https://www.hostloc.com/thread-618467-1-1.html
@fat32 如果有空拜托翻译一下!
沟通很重要,,,我来大概介绍一下中国客户的群体需求:
1.需要VPN来突破GFW,来访问twitter,facebook,youtube,google等,他们仅仅需要能安装VPN软件的便宜VPS..才机器性能要求不高..主要的需求就是线路质量和速度.....这算是低端客户.
2.需要VPN来突破GFW,同时也需要VPS来安放他们的个人blog....这算是中端客户
3.不需要VPN来突破GFW,是用来做网站或别的,他们选译国外主机商的原因有以下(这一部分人是高端客户,在很多国家的主机商购买性能好的VPS或者独立服务器)
a.不想备案.因为它很麻烦.
b.提供的内容是中国法律不容许的
c.中国国内的带宽太贵.
希望主机提供商能够针对中国客户按照需求提供不同价格的产品,当然,如果您不想赚中国人的钱请忽略,大家有不满的时候请先互相沟通,提供者和使用者的信息不对称是最大的问题,还有请不要发表你的政治观点,除非你成了你们国家的元首.
再补充一下:在中国有三大运营商,分别是中国联通,中国移动,中国电信.他们连接国际线路的路由不同,所以会出现一种情况,你们提供的产品对其中一家运营商线路友好而对另两家不友好,给我们的使用体验是有差别的....中国有句古话,叫细节决定成败,建议在你们的产品说明中标注一下你们的线路对哪个运营商友好,减少因为这个原因而发生的误会.
@Jim_tom
Interesting conclusions; there are needs from both sides as one would expect. Let's see if we can break those down.
Most LET hosting companies would probably prefer that:
Chargebacks are not used to obtain a refund and their refund policy is followed
Their policies are read in full
Clientele does not need excessive hand-holding
But also on the other end, you note that there are multiple tiers of customers; ones looking mostly for a VPS to host a VPN on, those who also want a VPS to host a blog (closer to the mid-tier) and the high-end customers that want a VPS for typical usage scenarios (e.g. website hosting, services, etc). There's clearly not really a one-size-fits-all solution; hosts need to distinguish themselves in what market(s) they want to serve.
VirMach on the low-end offers ~$1/month boxes that are perfect for VPNs, but given that the GFW blocks VPNs at a lightning rate (I've been to China, and that was quite a few years ago -- but even then blocking was ridiculous without a foreigner SIM), it doesn't make very much sense to use a VPS for this. I would guess a solution closer to that of a hosted VPN would be more appropriate, one that is fixed when the GFW blocks it, although this likely can't be offered at $1/month.
Serving clients closer to the mid-tier who want to use the VPS for multiple things (not just a VPN) and those at the higher end are probably easiest as these users already have (at the very least some) knowledge about server management, etc and so are the easiest to work with.
That being said, in my opinion, this relationship can only work if both sides agree to work with each other instead of jumping to their guns (i.e termination on first offences, chargebacks for "blocked IPs" when they are not advertised, etc).
I'm curious to see what you think about how this could be made to work. It has been attempted in the past, but most have failed. What could be changed this time around?
@FlamesRunner
在面对低端用户,甚至你可以称之为白痴用户,可以向bandwagon.net学习,在控制面板提供一键搭建VPN或者直接提供一个定制并已安装好VPN软件的系统镜像.(至于如何解决GFW疯狂封锁的问题,我不是技术人员,没有能力.哦.对了,可以去HOSTLOC看看专门研究这个问题的贴子.)当然如果有中文面板是更好的事,如果致力于开发中国客户,花成本做这么事我认为是有必要性的.口碑是做出来的,如果在价格和质量上取舍,达到平衡,就是提供方应该考滤的了.
Showing which ISP is more connectable doesn't make much sense. Connectivity changes all the time, and unless you manually adjust your routing (or peering with ISPs directly and manage it explicitly), it's hard to tell how the connectivity is.
I work for a provider (whose name will not be mentioned here) part time, and AFAIK they have to constantly monitor and change their announcement to keep the service usable. The parts (peering) and labor (24/7 monitoring and adjusting) cost are enormous. Unless you are willing to pay $10+ for the hardware spec that is usually priced $2/month here, you won't get ANY decent routing to China. I think it's safe to assume that ALL providers don't have decent connection to China, and then maybe some of them is faster for CM or CU, but almost never CT.
The easiest thing is always get CN2 and call it a day. (We have most of them CN2 but in Japan we use a blend of SB, bbtec and a few others.)
No. That's very poor taste. Said as a joke, sure, as an "explanation", disgraceful.
@msg7086 cn2仅仅对中国电信友好,实际上中国联通和中国移动的国际线路质量好过中国电信,但是中国,中国电信的有线网络用户数量最多.
Why isn't this just solved with Chinese resellers so end user doesn't need to deal with US companies directly, just their one reseller?
I think there's a lot of money to be made with the Chinese market in locations such as L.A. but also, you'll have to actively make sure it's not banned by the communist firewall, and you'll need to accept payment processors that don't support chargebacks. (i.e. bitcoin)
@SirFoxy
And, if your IP ranges are used for VPNs too much, you risk having the entire subnet banned.
我们不用比特币.我们用paypal,信用卡(很多人不用),微信,支付宝...如果是一家新服务商很难让我们用paypal之外的支付方式....如果是知名服务商,比如bwh,ovh,等等.用微信支付宝支付是很方便的.
你说的洛杉矶很赚钱是因为赚的就是突破GFW的钱,如果不需要突破了,还能赚钱么?可以说,一个GFW造就了一个行业.
english thnx
Now is 4 o 'clock in the morning. I want to finish work, go to bed. I'm sorry!!!
On the right, the risk is very big, HOSTLOC are studying the use of ipv6 to achieve this goal.
that's like coming over to my house for the first time and taking a shit in my toilet
It's so easy to satisfy CM and CU, so basically only CT matters. Also we (the provider I work for) use CN2 GIA for all 3 Chinese ISPs so no matter what ISP you are on you get decent connection through CN2.
I'm sure there are more affordable providers who peer CU and CM differently (so they are routed though cheaper ones), and that's why our services are priced at a much higher range.