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New cPanel Licensing and Pricing Structure - thoughts?

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  • lazytlazyt Member

    Venture Capitalists killing businesses since the 90s

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  • LeeLee Veteran
    edited June 2019

    MasonR said: Looking at this from a different angle, I believe the forcing small companies away from cpanel was completely intentional

    Not sure it was intentional to force out all small businesses but there was more of an angle to this than just fucking hosts over. They certainly want to move cPanel away from the mainstream, one glove fits all type of approach.

    I can see many beneficial reasons for doing so, from their point of view. Revenue is certainly well up there. That people here seem to think this will not increase revenue can't see the wood for the trees.

    So it does in some ways seem like an intentional shock implementation of the change.

    They knew the outcry that would come so instead of announcing the change beforehand then having to deal with that and still do it which then causes a further outcry of them not listening, they just did it. I can understand why if that is what they did.

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  • @MasonR said:
    Looking at this from a different angle, I believe the forcing small companies away from cpanel was completely intentional. Let's face it, the big non-LE mainstream hosts are likely to stick with cpanel and either eat the cost or increase prices, while LE hosts will seek an alternative.

    In one fell swoop, they change up their pricing structure to basically eliminate a significant portion of their clientbase, yet still maintain the same amount of revenue. It's a win-win for them. They get to greatly reduce their support load and perhaps hire some more devs instead without losing any revenue in the process.

    I'm not saying this is ethical at all, but in the end they are a business trying to increase profits, streamline processes, and cut expenditures. I'm personally excited to see interest in alternative panels as that's going to drive innovation. It's about time cpanel lost their monopoly on the LE market (and seeing less "alpha beta master omega reseller" offers is just an added bonus).

    No. For a company as cPanel the shared marked is quite important to keep they relevancy. Big hosts may at the beggining keep using cPanel but once small hosts switch to different software they will introduce new packages with those panels and a cheaper price, clients will slowly choose the new panel because of the price and cPanel will slowly die.

    I remember back in the day when cPanel and DirectAdmin were as popular, most hosts had both panels installed and you could choose either DirectAdmin or cPanel. cPanel ended up winning.

  • MasonRMasonR Community Contributor

    @desfire said:

    @MasonR said:
    Looking at this from a different angle, I believe the forcing small companies away from cpanel was completely intentional. Let's face it, the big non-LE mainstream hosts are likely to stick with cpanel and either eat the cost or increase prices, while LE hosts will seek an alternative.

    In one fell swoop, they change up their pricing structure to basically eliminate a significant portion of their clientbase, yet still maintain the same amount of revenue. It's a win-win for them. They get to greatly reduce their support load and perhaps hire some more devs instead without losing any revenue in the process.

    I'm not saying this is ethical at all, but in the end they are a business trying to increase profits, streamline processes, and cut expenditures. I'm personally excited to see interest in alternative panels as that's going to drive innovation. It's about time cpanel lost their monopoly on the LE market (and seeing less "alpha beta master omega reseller" offers is just an added bonus).

    No. For a company as cPanel the shared marked is quite important to keep they relevancy. Big hosts may at the beggining keep using cPanel but once small hosts switch to different software they will introduce new packages with those panels and a cheaper price, clients will slowly choose the new panel because of the price and cPanel will slowly die.

    I remember back in the day when cPanel and DirectAdmin were as popular, most hosts had both panels installed and you could choose either DirectAdmin or cPanel. cPanel ended up winning.

    I'm not so sure. The clientele that buy and use EIG, NameCheap, GoDaddy, etc. shared hosting don't really strike me as the type of people to do market research. They'll just go for the big brands that do a lot of advertising.

  • HxxxHxxx Member
    edited June 2019

    Just do Managed Wordpress Hosting. Thats more than half the internet. No need for panels.

    Centminmod I heard is pretty good.

    Thanked by 2level6 Ympker
  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2019

    @MasonR said:
    Looking at this from a different angle, I believe the forcing small companies away from cpanel was completely intentional. Let's face it, the big non-LE mainstream hosts are likely to stick with cpanel and either eat the cost or increase prices, while LE hosts will seek an alternative.

    In one fell swoop, they change up their pricing structure to basically eliminate a significant portion of their clientbase, yet still maintain the same amount of revenue. It's a win-win for them. They get to greatly reduce their support load and perhaps hire some more devs instead without losing any revenue in the process.

    I'm not saying this is ethical at all, but in the end they are a business trying to increase profits, streamline processes, and cut expenditures. I'm personally excited to see interest in alternative panels as that's going to drive innovation. It's about time cpanel lost their monopoly on the LE market (and seeing less "alpha beta master omega reseller" offers is just an added bonus).

    I would say that market share is more important than revenue for a software company. This price change was a risk they hope will pay off. While a massive price increase for larger hosts can easily be absorbed, it's also a trigger for share holders and management to ask if they can replace it with something in-house for cheaper. All it takes is for 1 or 2 of the industry leaders to drop cPanel for them to impact cPanel's revenue. Not to mention if all of the smaller hosts jump to a different panel, that leaves a good portion of clients using a control panel that isn't cPanel. Once clients start accepting something other than cPanel there's little reason for larger hosts to continue paying those prices for it if clients will pay the same amount for a shared hosting plan using a control panel that's a fraction of the price.

  • I never thought of DirectAdmin, but after I got my slice I haven't looked back. Here are a couple screenshots:

    https://imgur.com/a/ClbFYdZ

    So far, it's working quite nicely. If anyone wants to test the panel out, let me know and I can get you on.

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  • sanvitsanvit Member

    @FlamesRunner said:
    I never thought of DirectAdmin, but after I got my slice I haven't looked back. Here are a couple screenshots:

    https://imgur.com/a/ClbFYdZ

    So far, it's working quite nicely. If anyone wants to test the panel out, let me know and I can get you on.

    I would really love to try DA out. I just want to see how the panel works so li!e 10MB of storage and BW with 1 domain is fine :)

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    How good is DA and ISPConfig at remote backup handeling without plugins?

  • DirectAdmin has an option to use OpenLiteSpeed as a webserver, damn, not only cheaper than cPanel but saving LiteSpeed license costs and with unlimited cores

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2019

    @emgh said:
    How good is DA and ISPConfig at remote backup handeling without plugins?

    Here's a screenshot of the default options:

  • DirectAdmin also has included Let's Encrypt support:

    As well as email features and RoundCube web mail.

    Thanked by 1ariq01
  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @KuJoe said:

    @emgh said:
    How good is DA and ISPConfig at remote backup handeling without plugins?

    Here's a screenshot of the default options:

    Neat. How are you liking DA?

    Francisco

  • So DA was shunned when cPanel was at its old pricing, but now DA is the best thing since sliced bread and is a real competitor to cPanel?

    Thanked by 2bikegremlin lazyt
  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep
    edited June 2019

    @Francisco said:
    Neat. How are you liking DA?

    Francisco

    I've been using it for about a month on AFreeCloud for all of my personal websites and so far it's been great. I really like the new skin a lot better than cPanel and so far I haven't run into anything I can't do in DA that I could do in cPanel. I do hate that I need a second DirectAdmin license if I want to setup a DNS cluster... wait a minute... you offer free DA licenses... DNS cluster problem solved! :lol:

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @KuJoe said:

    @Francisco said:
    Neat. How are you liking DA?

    Francisco

    I've been using it for about a month on AFreeCloud for all of my personal websites and so far it's been great. I really like the new skin a lot better than cPanel and so far I haven't run into anything I can't do in DA that I could do in cPanel. I do hate that I need a second DirectAdmin license if I want to setup a DNS cluster... wait a minute... you offer free DA licenses... DNS cluster problem solved! :lol:

    Thanks for the business sir. I'll return the favor in kind soon enough.

    Francisco

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    @TinFoil2019 said:
    So DA was shunned when cPanel was at its old pricing, but now DA is the best thing since sliced bread and is a real competitor to cPanel?

    DA was basically unusable by me until they released their new skin a few months back. I never even tried their panel until 2 months ago and I quickly moved all of my personal sites over to it from my cPanel server. Given the option of free cPanel hosting or free DA hosting I'll pick DA every time now.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    DA does look decent with that skin.

  • But, But I thought real men use the command line- whats all this stuff about a panel

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Indeed, real men use no control panel.

    Real men also do not browse the internet.
    Real men also do not live in the city, strictly off-grid.
    Real men also do not read, shouting only.

  • bulabula Member

    DA is a great panel. have been using that for my personal and friends sites for many years. Since I am not in the hosting business, DA works out well enough for me. cPanel/WHM is just overrated and overpriced, but as many stated its the users preferred choice of due to ease in GUI operations. DA is reasonable, stable and less resource hog though would need some command based skills but most aspect of Administrations are GUI based. I am sure most of you have technical knowledge to handle DA efficiently with ease. Mark & Martynas @ DA has been great to deal with.

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  • TinFoil2019TinFoil2019 Member
    edited June 2019

    When IPv4 allocations ending, they thought it was the end.
    When WHMCS pricing went up, we were assured of lasting damage.
    Now cpanel pricing goes up, the end is nigh.

    Tune in tomorrow for the next installment of "whats wrecking the hosting industry"

    Thanked by 1bikegremlin
  • uptimeuptime Member

    end is nah

  • donlidonli Member
    edited June 2019

    @desfire said:
    DirectAdmin has an option to use OpenLiteSpeed as a webserver, damn, not only cheaper than cPanel but saving LiteSpeed license costs and with unlimited cores

    Note that OpenLiteSpeed is missing some features of the Enterprise ListSpeed Webserver.

    See: https://www.litespeedtech.com/products/litespeed-web-server/editions

    I got bit by the lack of Server Side Includes in OpenLiteSpeed.

  • @cociu said:

    ITLabs said: DDoS:

    no worry will have a lot money now to invest in the ddos protection.

    Nah... All the money will go to the Organization of Personal Profit.

  • JorboxJorbox Member

    I think we shouldn't make the same mistake again.
    Since we are all moving to another panel we should move to an open source panel not to a paid one, because the same problem maybe repeated later.

    Thanked by 1bugrakoc
  • I've been using cPanel since 2014 and if I have to move to DirectAdmin then so be it. I'm not brand loyal if it means my costs go up.

    It might actually benefit the industry as DirectAdmin would get the support it needs to build an even better control panel. It probably won't be held back from the slow updates that cPanel likes to do.

  • ShamliShamli Member

    Why dont they just charge per megabyte storage being used and cpu cycle...

    That would be better...

    /s

  • hostdarehostdare Member, Patron Provider
    edited June 2019

    deank said: Apple is now selling a metal stick (Monitor stand) for 999 USD. Fuck'em.

    Chinese will do this for 10 usd and oh yeah with same quality as claimed by apple

  • laticlatic Member, Host Rep

    Only problem with DA is the mind bending root > Reseller > user flow inside the root control panel.

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