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New cPanel Licensing and Pricing Structure - thoughts?

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  • TinFoil2019TinFoil2019 Member
    edited June 2019

    @willie How to handle the chargebacks or those that didnt shut off autopay? Do we tell them the same thing they tell their clients and shame/mock them on LET?

  • Actually the main issue new clients will find is the IU change, is someone manages to create a similar, then, the client will not complaint much and more if you explain the reasons why you are changing the panel.

    The best practise would be to keep both options, cPanel paying the customer $0.3 per reseller site and switching to DirectAdmin

  • There is a DirectAdmin skin similar to cPanel's, it cost $4/mo or $19/y

    https://cyber-es.cyberneticos.com:2222

    user: demo_admin, demo_reseller, demo_user
    password: demo

    It looks nice

    Thanked by 1MikePT
  • jhjh Member

    AnthonySmith said: is it though?

    Yes, it really is.

    cPanel hosting is going to get more expensive all round, LET-type customers will stop demanding it and LET-type businesses will switch them onto another panel. Technical customers would probably prefer an unmanaged Linux VPS anyway, especially at today's prices. Non-technical customers don't care what software is on the server as long as it works.

    I still predict some back-peddling on cPanel's part but I understand that nobody wants to stick around to find out.

    I noticed DA owned licences are only $300 and the new skin, which is now stable, has addresses the only gripe I had with DA. I picked one up and I have to say I won't miss cP/Plesk. Contemplating getting a few more just in case - $300 is a steal.

  • JorboxJorbox Member
    edited June 2019

    @desfire said:
    There is a DirectAdmin skin similar to cPanel's, it cost $4/mo or $19/y

    https://cyber-es.cyberneticos.com:2222

    user: demo_admin, demo_reseller, demo_user
    password: demo

    It looks nice

    Yes it looks modern and better themed cpanel, but thats my first time I see a yearly skin. It should be onetime

  • Is cPanel ion-cubed yet?

    Last I looked it was all open perl.

    How hard can it be to change it to report one user...

  • LeeLee Veteran

    virtuakid said: How hard can it be to change it to report one user...

    Damn, they will never have thought of that...

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    Any theme/skin people out there willing to make cPanel clone themes for DirectAdmin and VestaCP? I'll pay you for your time if you release them on GitHub.

  • @desfire said:
    Actually the main issue new clients will find is the IU change, is someone manages to create a similar, then, the client will not complaint much and more if you explain the reasons why you are changing the panel.

    The best practise would be to keep both options, cPanel paying the customer $0.3 per reseller site and switching to DirectAdmin

    I guess this will be the best option. The problem is that WHMCS still doesn't support such thing so it will be difficult to make this work easily.

  • @georgedatacenter said:

    @emgh said:
    Imagine unlimited resellers with 1000s of accounts. That hurts.

    I think the reseller plans are gonna go away.

    I don't think reseller plans are gone... only unlimited ones will be gone. Now you'll have like reseller plan with max 25, 50 and 100 accounts and the price for licences will be included in the price (it's $5, $10, $20 extra for the cPanel) and that's about it.

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • donlidonli Member

    @GeekTNT said:

    @georgedatacenter said:

    @emgh said:
    Imagine unlimited resellers with 1000s of accounts. That hurts.

    I think the reseller plans are gonna go away.

    I don't think reseller plans are gone... only unlimited ones will be gone. Now you'll have like reseller plan with max 25, 50 and 100 accounts and the price for licences will be included in the price (it's $5, $10, $20 extra for the cPanel) and that's about it.

    I have yet to see resellers with per-user-added pricing but it seems inevitable that those will appear.

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @donli said:

    @GeekTNT said:

    @georgedatacenter said:

    @emgh said:
    Imagine unlimited resellers with 1000s of accounts. That hurts.

    I think the reseller plans are gonna go away.

    I don't think reseller plans are gone... only unlimited ones will be gone. Now you'll have like reseller plan with max 25, 50 and 100 accounts and the price for licences will be included in the price (it's $5, $10, $20 extra for the cPanel) and that's about it.

    I have yet to see resellers with per-user-added pricing but it seems inevitable that those will appear.

    If it got that complicated VPS will be the go-to for a larger portion.

  • HxxxHxxx Member

    You understood that wrong. Re-read, thanks.

    @angstrom said:

    @Hxxx said: This is like if Apache or MariaDB/Mysql were to change from open to proprietary in all version.

    No, not really. cPanel has never been libre or free (gratuit). The already existing price of cPanel has simply been raised suddenly.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited June 2019

    @KuJoe said:
    Any theme/skin people out there willing to make cPanel clone themes for DirectAdmin and VestaCP? I'll pay you for your time if you release them on GitHub.

    No need to pay anything :) I might look into creating some in summer vacation if I can make some time.

    Following this it shouldn't be too difficult: https://www.directadmin.com/skins.php

    Thanked by 1SunshineHost
  • JorboxJorbox Member

    @GeekTNT said:

    @desfire said:
    Actually the main issue new clients will find is the IU change, is someone manages to create a similar, then, the client will not complaint much and more if you explain the reasons why you are changing the panel.

    The best practise would be to keep both options, cPanel paying the customer $0.3 per reseller site and switching to DirectAdmin

    I guess this will be the best option. The problem is that WHMCS still doesn't support such thing so it will be difficult to make this work easily.

    Blesta does support DA
    And I'm using blesta from 2 years
    Migrated from whmcs to blesta lifetime and I'm very happy with it

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • donlidonli Member

    @emgh said:

    @donli said:

    @GeekTNT said:

    @georgedatacenter said:

    @emgh said:
    Imagine unlimited resellers with 1000s of accounts. That hurts.

    I think the reseller plans are gonna go away.

    I don't think reseller plans are gone... only unlimited ones will be gone. Now you'll have like reseller plan with max 25, 50 and 100 accounts and the price for licences will be included in the price (it's $5, $10, $20 extra for the cPanel) and that's about it.

    I have yet to see resellers with per-user-added pricing but it seems inevitable that those will appear.

    If it got that complicated VPS will be the go-to for a larger portion.

    Ultimately it will be the end-user (i.e. the one that pays the final bill) that will decide whether cPanel is worth it or not.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited June 2019

    @Jorbox said:

    @GeekTNT said:

    @desfire said:
    Actually the main issue new clients will find is the IU change, is someone manages to create a similar, then, the client will not complaint much and more if you explain the reasons why you are changing the panel.

    The best practise would be to keep both options, cPanel paying the customer $0.3 per reseller site and switching to DirectAdmin

    I guess this will be the best option. The problem is that WHMCS still doesn't support such thing so it will be difficult to make this work easily.

    Blesta does support DA
    And I'm using blesta from 2 years
    Migrated from whmcs to blesta lifetime and I'm very happy with it

    Same :) Blesta lifetime is great :D Support & Updates included hehe^^

    Thanked by 2ITLabs Jorbox
  • HxxxHxxx Member
    edited June 2019

    I was simply referring to the fact that cPanel is just a gui and a few wrappers. The magic that happens behind that it all comes from great open source projects. Since they decided to destroy the industry for the small shops, I was simply suggesting that maybe some open source projects, those doing the magic, should change their license to prohibit cPanel from using their code or depending on it. Imagine if apache and mysql/mariadb started charging cPanel for them being a crucial part of the whole cPanel thing.

    Just imagining the scenario, not that it will ever happen. I'm pretty sure such a great company like cPanel will come to their senses and modify their pricing structure soon enough. Not that it affects me that hard anyway, but my providers... oh bruther...

    @angstrom said:

    @KuJoe said:

    @Hxxx said:
    This is like if Apache or MariaDB/Mysql were to change from open to proprietary in all version.

    Something like that happened not too long ago, I forget which software it was but it was up there with Apache and MySQL in popularity. The devs changed the license away from GPL or something and the community just forked the last version that was under GPL and kept it alive and strong. It was a really eye opening moment for me and I was super impressed at how the community handled it. I really wish I could remember what software it was.

    Apache changed their license (the Apache License) from v1.1 to v2.0 some 15 years ago, which upset a number of people, most notably, the OpenBSD people, who decided that they couldn't include the newly licensed (license v2.0) Apache web server in their base. So they effectively forked the last version of Apache web server under the old license (license v1.1) and included their forked version in their base for a decade thereafter.

    (See https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=107714762916291 )

    There was also the whole GPLv2 vs GPLv3 issue that affected many free software projects.

    (As far as I'm aware, the free version of MySQL has never changed its license.)

    Nonetheless, as I tried to say to @Hxxx above, the case of cPanel, which is neither libre nor free (gratuit), really falls into a different category. If a piece of software changes its license from a free license to a proprietary license, people are free to fork the last version of the software that falls under a free license. In the case of cPanel, which has always fallen under a proprietary license, this isn't possible.

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2019

    I see maybe only 5 new people discussing CP to DA conversion on DA forum.

    That's too little.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @deank said:
    I see maybe only 5 new people discussing CP to DA conversion on DA forum.

    That's too little.

    There is not much need to discuss it though if it just works. Tbh the migration tutorial seems quite easy to follow. And we all know how rarely people comment when things are working. When things don't work though.. that's another story. Cough reviews/trustpilot/younameit/debianthx

  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2019

    The conversion is a big step. There has to be people asking before committing.

    The size of reaction is just too small which makes me think that most will likely stick to CPanel for the time being.

    Cyberpanel is another one that has come up as a candidate but don't know, man. It looks to me, the rage is all talk but no action.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    @Ympker said:

    @KuJoe said:
    Any theme/skin people out there willing to make cPanel clone themes for DirectAdmin and VestaCP? I'll pay you for your time if you release them on GitHub.

    No need to pay anything :) I might look into creating some in summer vacation if I can make some time.

    Following this it shouldn't be too difficult: https://www.directadmin.com/skins.php

    If you do, PM me your PayPal and I'll make a "donation". ;)

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • donlidonli Member

    @deank said:
    The conversion is a big step. There has to be people asking before committing.

    The size of reaction is just too small which makes me think that most will likely stick to CPanel for the time being.

    There's no real need to commit right now with the pricing change 2 months away.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Host Rep

    deank said: the rage is all talk but no action.

    Well you know, when people get shit on they have a right to anger, perspective comes later.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    60 days isn't much if you are planning to migrate your entire server lineup. Better start now than later.

    But that's just me.

  • fleiofleio Member

    Any group of hosters with a $xxxK budget and patience for one year until the first production release of a new shared hosting control panel? :)

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    deank said: It looks to me, the rage is all talk but no action.

    I'm sure others are like me and have been focusing on making changes rather than talking about them.

  • donlidonli Member
    edited June 2019

    @deank said:
    60 days isn't much if you are planning to migrate your entire server lineup. Better start now than later.

    Yes it's researching options time, but not yet commitment time.

    Also many will have at least 2-months (not eternal) hope that cPanel will "come to their senses".

    Thanked by 1WSCallum
  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @KuJoe said:

    @Ympker said:

    @KuJoe said:
    Any theme/skin people out there willing to make cPanel clone themes for DirectAdmin and VestaCP? I'll pay you for your time if you release them on GitHub.

    No need to pay anything :) I might look into creating some in summer vacation if I can make some time.

    Following this it shouldn't be too difficult: https://www.directadmin.com/skins.php

    If you do, PM me your PayPal and I'll make a "donation". ;)

    Will do :)

  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Hxxx said: I was simply referring to the fact that cPanel is just a gui and a few wrappers. The magic that happens behind that it all comes from great open source projects.

    Well, any control panel is a front-end to other software.

    You may be underestimating the added value of cPanel ("just a gui and a few wrappers") for many people.

    It's easy to understand why cPanel customers are upset about cPanel's sudden price hike, but there's no reason why Apache or MySQL/MariaDB should care, and it's not as though cPanel were the only proprietary control panel to interface with Apache and MySQL/MariaDB.

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