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New cPanel Licensing and Pricing Structure - thoughts?

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  • @emgh said:

    @Ympker said:

    @HostMantis said:

    @emgh said:
    Still interested to see @HostMantis take on this.

    We're still dealing with the shock and don't really have anything to add at this point that others haven't already.

    It's quite a kick in the a$$ to be honest.

    For what it's worth you atleast had cPanel account limits in place but I feel for you. I've got 2 reseller Accounts with you and right now only a total of ~4 cPanel accounts on them. As long as your resource limit allows (that is to say I don't run out of cpu/ram) , in the future, I'll try to put some more addon domains on my cPanel accounts and only create an extra cPanel account when I consider it really necessary :)

    All the best!

    When is it necessary? I have only a shared account with Hostmantis and use the addon domains feature all the time. Any advanantages? Apart from actually reselling that is.

    Keeping file systems separate as well as system resource usage is one of the main benefits of creating cPanel accounts over just using addon domains.

    Thanked by 3emgh vimalware Ympker
  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    @HostMantis said:

    @emgh said:

    @Ympker said:

    @HostMantis said:

    @emgh said:
    Still interested to see @HostMantis take on this.

    We're still dealing with the shock and don't really have anything to add at this point that others haven't already.

    It's quite a kick in the a$$ to be honest.

    For what it's worth you atleast had cPanel account limits in place but I feel for you. I've got 2 reseller Accounts with you and right now only a total of ~4 cPanel accounts on them. As long as your resource limit allows (that is to say I don't run out of cpu/ram) , in the future, I'll try to put some more addon domains on my cPanel accounts and only create an extra cPanel account when I consider it really necessary :)

    All the best!

    When is it necessary? I have only a shared account with Hostmantis and use the addon domains feature all the time. Any advanantages? Apart from actually reselling that is.

    Keeping file systems separate as well as system resource usage is one of the main benefits of creating cPanel accounts over just using addon domains.

    Sure. There's advantages with addon domains too though. For example, if you do small changes to many domains it goes a lot faster using one single login.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    You know things are heading to a wrong direction when you need academic education to understand licensing structure of a product.

    Thanked by 1emgh
  • ^ Main domain gets hacked, so do the others. Add-on domains is a model that I have never encouraged/supported.

    Thanked by 1lazyt
  • FAT32FAT32 Administrator, Deal Compiler Extraordinaire

    I am waiting for a provider to sell non-cPanel shared hosting at a crazy price :)
    Coupon code suggestion: NOMORECPANEL

  • That pricing plan is ridiculous. To go from, basically, unlimited (on a VPS) for $15 to just 5 accounts is too blatant a money-grab. Fortunately, I just use Virtualmin but, this comes at a time where I am trying to help my son get a web design business off the ground and he could have clients that will not be hosting-savvy and may want someone to getting them up and running. Of course, you would pass these cost over the customer but this could influence customer's buying decisions.

    I can't imagine being a shared/reseller host right now. It has to be a waking nightmare to figure out what to do about this change.

    Thanked by 1desfire
  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    What a way to ruin summer hosting biz.

    By time those kids understand the new pricing structure, they will need to go back to school.

    Thanked by 3BlaZe WSWD dedotatedwam
  • donlidonli Member

    @deank said:
    What a way to ruin summer hosting biz.

    By time those kids understand the new pricing structure, they will need to go back to school.

    They're safe. The new pricing doesn't take effect until Sept 1 just when summer is over.

  • ITLabsITLabs Member

    @deank said:
    What a way to ruin summer hosting biz.

    By time those kids understand the new pricing structure, they will need to go back to school.

  • Cmon it’s not hard to read and understand it.

  • dedicadosdedicados Member
    edited June 2019

    se pasaron de verga!

    Thanked by 2Hxxx imok
  • donlidonli Member

    @corbpie said:
    Cmon it’s not hard to read and understand it.

    It's just hard to believe it.

  • It was expensive so far. It's even more expensive now. Very nice... cPanel is resource hungry, is not even secure, it is not stable, the directory structure is bad etc. Why to increase the price on this?

    The next step is to add "per hour" next to all the prices.

  • JorboxJorbox Member

    As a developer I'm considering starting developing and supporting the current open source panels rather than the old outdated cPanel.

    Thanked by 1Ympker
  • teochristianteochristian Barred
    edited June 2019

    @ITLabs said:

    @deank said:
    What a way to ruin summer hosting biz.

    By time those kids understand the new pricing structure, they will need to go back to school.

    IMAGE

    Math shouldn't be involved. :smiley:

    @Jorbox said:
    As a developer I'm considering starting developing and supporting the current open source panels rather than the old outdated cPanel.

    It is great, but it takes time.

    Thanked by 1ITLabs
  • Hope for the new competitor, Only competitor can stop Cpanel ! , otherwise Cpanel will increase the price again in again

    AnthonySmith said: 2020 the price per user goes up to $0.40 in the name of improvements and added value.

    Now that they have done this in a ridiculously aggressive and sudden way with clearly no regard for the impacts, if you think it will stop at $0.20 you need to give yourself a shake, I expect prices to rise year on year until they find that sweet spot because not enough people are going to actually kick back against this.

    make no mistake, we collectedly are the hand that feeds them and they are biting it.

  • cmpecmpe Member

    What shocks me the most is that it seems like to me even some of the biggest and longest running cpanel customers (which they ironically label as "partners") seem blindsided by this.

    I thought they teach concept of focus groups to get feedback about a new product or a major change to an existing product in Business 201 class?

  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad

    Wasn't there a maintained free panel posted by the actual developer here some time ago? It might have had "open" in the name...

  • level6level6 Member

    @dahartigan said:
    I am very interested to see how this affects hosts here, in particular hostmantis as they are arguably one of the most competitive price wise.

    I'd support a move away from cpanel..

    @LeonDynamic said:
    The best thing cPanel could do is grandfather all existing licences and use new structure for all new licences. However, this won’t happen.

    The VC actuaries would have calculated very carefully the loss of some customers/providers vs the uplift in cost and profit to the others. They will know for some businesses moving away from cPanel will not be possible. Within their portfolio Oakley have a few web hosts themselves including Host Europe which has acquired other hosts under that brand.

    Oakely is trying to maximize profit, and that does not necessarily mean maximizing revenue.

    Host Europe and other Oakley hosting companies should be chastised (like EIG is). Bad publicity is harmful to brands, and may be bad for profit, long term. The only hope is that the actuaries at Oakley didn't factor this in sufficiently in their calculations.

    Oakley was within their rights to change the pricing structure, but is it ethical?

    If anyone from Oakley is reading this, FU.

  • intovpsintovps Member, Host Rep

    First step: review your licenses.

    Any license left due to failed disabling automation or forgot to be manually deleted?

    cPanel is just making a Benjamin less per month from us.

    How many bucks are you going to take out of cPanel's revenue today?

    Review your licenses!

    Thanked by 1level6
  • bikegremlinbikegremlin Member
    edited June 2019

    @level6 said:

    @dahartigan said:
    I am very interested to see how this affects hosts here, in particular hostmantis as they are arguably one of the most competitive price wise.

    I'd support a move away from cpanel..

    @LeonDynamic said:
    The best thing cPanel could do is grandfather all existing licences and use new structure for all new licences. However, this won’t happen.

    The VC actuaries would have calculated very carefully the loss of some customers/providers vs the uplift in cost and profit to the others. They will know for some businesses moving away from cPanel will not be possible. Within their portfolio Oakley have a few web hosts themselves including Host Europe which has acquired other hosts under that brand.

    Oakely is trying to maximize profit, and that does not necessarily mean maximizing revenue.

    Host Europe and other Oakley hosting companies should be chastised (like EIG is). Bad publicity is harmful to brands, and may be bad for profit, long term. The only hope is that the actuaries at Oakley didn't factor this in sufficiently in their calculations.

    Oakley was within their rights to change the pricing structure, but is it ethical?

    If anyone from Oakley is reading this, FU.

    Ethical? It's capitalism. And "free market".

    If you charge more, you're "robbing" your clients, if you charge less, you're "robbing" your kids. Either way - someone gets "robbed". It's not ethical. It's destroying the planet. Most of the world's population is living in poverty. But no single company can change that - all they can do is make profit for themselves, their friends and families.

    Not saying I like what they did. Not saying I'd do the same. But it is reasonable for a company to look into maximizing their profits.

    Thanked by 1Lee
  • HostEONSHostEONS Member, Host Rep

    We are also going to ditch cPanel in next 1-2 months, still need to test Cloudlinux etc... with Direct Admin

  • MichaelCeeMichaelCee Member
    edited June 2019

    If you are a developer with any interest in this particular industry, I highly encourage you to work on something, follow a development project, report bugs or contribute in any way possible.

    The only way to win against this monopoly is competition and competition isn't going to reign supreme without the knowledge and feedback from devs who actually CARE.

    There may be cPanel Devs that actually care, but their puppet masters do not which is why healthy alternatives need to be worked on.

  • YAp many with custom panels are laughing now.
    I wonder how the billing systems landscape will be.

  • LeeLee Veteran

    nitramoneito said: YAp many with custom panels are laughing now.

    Maybe, as long as it not a shit one like CWP.

    Thanked by 3Coffee level6 Unixfy
  • JamesFJamesF Member, Host Rep

    lol

  • HxxxHxxx Member

    My memory might be failing as I dont recall clearly that moment. But what I remember is that their repo got hacked and in the end people had to disable the vestacp service, or something among those lines. I think you were very aware of it.

    @KuJoe said:

    @Hxxx said:
    Vestacp issue was worst than even the exim issue.

    @sanvit said:

    @Hxxx said:
    Didn't vestacp had a huge security issue last year?

    True, but exim had a security issue and so did the Linux kernel itself had issues.

    Do you mean the one where a server not running VestaCP got hacked or do you mean a security issue in the code itself?

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Host Rep

    @Hxxx said:
    My memory might be failing as I dont recall clearly that moment. But what I remember is that their repo got hacked and in the end people had to disable the vestacp service, or something among those lines. I think you were very aware of it.

    @KuJoe said:

    @Hxxx said:
    Vestacp issue was worst than even the exim issue.

    @sanvit said:

    @Hxxx said:
    Didn't vestacp had a huge security issue last year?

    True, but exim had a security issue and so did the Linux kernel itself had issues.

    Do you mean the one where a server not running VestaCP got hacked or do you mean a security issue in the code itself?

    If it's the most recent incident then yeah, it was their repo was hacked but it wasn't running VestaCP so it's not really an indication of their software being insecure.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2019

    It's free market. They've bought up a decent competitor (Plesk) and figured they'd pull this.

    It will be a while if anyone can come up with something that's close to Cpanel. You may be willing to switch but I am not sure customers will want to since they wouldn't care about your circumstances.

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